Donaldson Aug 31 Trade Thread

[flafson]

 

They initially said the return was dependent on Donaldson's health, I guess that's not true if the one and only option is Merryweather.

[P2F]

They initially said the return was dependent on Donaldson's health, I guess that's not true if the one and only option is Merryweather.

 

No, they never said that. Unless by "they said that" you mean "the media and Twitterverse speculated on".

[Laika]

Merryweather is probably worth a heck of a lot more than a compensation pick, if he returns to pre-injury form.

[Grant77]

This is perhaps the most lopsided (at the time) Blue Jays trade that I have ever seen. That first Happ deal is up there as well. The FO did an absolutely horrible job with this.right from the start.

[Boxcar]

This is perhaps the most lopsided (at the time) Blue Jays trade that I have ever seen. That first Happ deal is up there as well. The FO did an absolutely horrible job with this.right from the start.

 

Lol what a drama queen. Oh noes, we got a guy projected to be a decent middle of the rotation starter instead of a draft pick that will turn into an org guy in 5 years!!

[glory]

This is perhaps the most lopsided (at the time) Blue Jays trade that I have ever seen. That first Happ deal is up there as well. The FO did an absolutely horrible job with this.right from the start.

 

The Jays traded 4 weeks of an injured Donaldson (more like 2-3 weeks by the time he comes off the DL) who hasn't played in the bigs since May. The fact that they got anyone who might become a decent big leaguer is pretty good.

[Grant77]

Lol what a drama queen. Oh noes, we got a guy projected to be a decent middle of the rotation starter instead of a draft pick that will turn into an org guy in 5 years!!

 

Obviously I don't think that's a reasonable projection at all based on injury history, age, and lack of performance. He would almost certainly be on the roster bubble at the end of the season for the Indians. He's similar to Sam Gaviglio at the same age and that's not considering the TJS .

[John_Havok]

This is perhaps the most lopsided (at the time) Blue Jays trade that I have ever seen. That first Happ deal is up there as well. The FO did an absolutely horrible job with this.right from the start.

 

Prove there was a better offer out there?

 

Second, prove a comp pick is worth objectively more than Merryweather because that's the only other alternative unless you're living in a dreamworld that he would have accepted a QO, or signed some kind of extension.

[Orgfiller]

This is perhaps the most lopsided (at the time) Blue Jays trade that I have ever seen. That first Happ deal is up there as well. The FO did an absolutely horrible job with this.right from the start.

 

It's two weeks of an injured Josh Donaldson dude, of course it's going to look lopsided. At least we got something out of him, this season was the worst case scenario for the front office and they tried to salvage anything they could out of it.

 

You know what's a lopsided deal, Noah Syndergaard + Travis d'Arnaud for a f***ing 40 year old knuckleballer.

[Orgfiller]

Obviously I don't think that's a reasonable projection at all based on injury history, age, and lack of performance. He would almost certainly be on the roster bubble at the end of the season for the Indians. He's similar to Sam Gaviglio at the same age and that's not considering the TJS .

 

Even if what you said is true, Sam Gaviglio would be a pretty decent get out of a compensation pick that most likely would have flamed out within a few years.

[glory]

No question it is disappointing to end up with Merryweather for Donaldson in general. If you told me this a year ago, I would have called you crazy, but circumstances change. They didn't trade him before the season started so they left themselves wide open for this scenario to play out like it did.

 

They made the best out of a bad situation though.

[TheHurl]

I will donate $100 to the Radio Scouts podcast if Merryweather does not out-fWAR Billy McKinney in 2019.

[Grant77]

Prove there was a better offer out there?

 

Second, prove a comp pick is worth objectively more than Merryweather because that's the only other alternative unless you're living in a dreamworld that he would have accepted a QO, or signed some kind of extension.

 

You can use that tedious defense for any trade and it's no more convincing in this instance than it usually is. Nearly every single playoff team expressed interest and why wouldn't they? He's as much of a playoff difference maker as anyone traded this year, including Machado. There is more than enough time to get him healthy

 

Despite all of that interest, we get a player with the same profile as many guys who pass through waivers and also pay much of JD's salary. If we were only getting extreme lowball offers (which almost certainly isn't the case) then we should have just kept him and offered the QO, a win-win situation. If we wanted Merryweather that badly, it's unlikely that the Indians were keeping him on their 40 man. We could have had him for very little.

[P2F]

I will donate $100 to the Radio Scouts podcast if Merryweather does not out-fWAR Billy McKinney in 2019.

 

Aren't you buying advertising on our show for your qawwali concert?

[P2F]

You can use that tedious defense for any trade and it's no more convincing in this instance than it usually is. Nearly every single playoff team expressed interest and why wouldn't they? He's as much of a playoff difference maker as anyone traded this year, including Machado. There is more than enough time to get him healthy

 

Despite all of that interest, we get a player with the same profile as many guys who pass through waivers and also pay much of JD's salary. If we were only getting extreme lowball offers (which almost certainly isn't the case) then we should have just kept him and offered the QO, a win-win situation. If we wanted Merryweather that badly, it's unlikely that the Indians were keeping him on their 40 man. We could have had him for very little.

 

You're right, they didn't take the best offer available. He was traded to Cleveland over a game of golf between Shapiro, Atkins, Chris Antonetti, and Mike Chernoff. Much laughter and glass-clinking ensued.

 

It's a conspiracy!

[Grant77]

You're right, they didn't take the best offer available. He was traded to Cleveland over a game of golf between Shapiro, Atkins, Chris Antonetti, and Mike Chernoff. Much laughter and glass-clinking ensued.

 

It's a conspiracy!

 

I'm rarely critical of the FO and being dissatisfied with the way they handled the situation is far from a conspiracy theory.

[Spanky__99]

I will donate $100 to the Radio Scouts podcast if Merryweather does not out-fWAR Billy McKinney in 2019.

 

lol

[Spanky__99]

I'm rarely critical of the FO and being dissatisfied with the way they handled the situation is far from a conspiracy theory.

 

I don't know man, I like what I've read on him, sounds much more promising in value than a 75-80 comp pick, as others have alluded to. I'm pretty sure our FO has much better information their privy to, over you and I, lol. Is he rule 5 eligible, or you think he isn't even worth a spot on the 40 man? You're stat scouting, he seems fine to me, with the reports and numbers, actually. Josh wasn't taking a QO, and I don't think the Jays wanted to take that risk. A better return is better, that's how she goes by'.

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/8526-Donaldson-Aug-31-Trade-Thread?p=1298103&viewfull=1#post1298103

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/8526-Donaldson-Aug-31-Trade-Thread?p=1298090&viewfull=1#post1298090

Edited September 5, 2018 by Spanky99

[Laika]

Obviously I don't think that's a reasonable projection at all based on injury history, age, and lack of performance. He would almost certainly be on the roster bubble at the end of the season for the Indians. He's similar to Sam Gaviglio at the same age and that's not considering the TJS .

 

Merryweather's ratios and xFIP are pretty strong and always have been. He essentially had a bad ERA in 2017 - poor performance!

 

I must have missed the part where Sam Gaviglio suddenly throws mid 90s, t97

 

The only valid criticism is the recent TJS, which obviously does cut his value down.

[Sammy225]

Merryweather's ratios and xFIP are pretty strong and always have been. He essentially had a bad ERA in 2017 - poor performance!

 

I must have missed the part where Sam Gaviglio suddenly throws mid 90s, t97

 

The only valid criticism is the recent TJS, which obviously does cut his value down.

 

Looking for Updates on his TJS and when he is expected to start throwing or if he will be ready to pitch next year? Have you heard anything

[Laika]

Looking for Updates on his TJS and when he is expected to start throwing or if he will be ready to pitch next year? Have you heard anything

 

All I know is his TJS was March 9, 2018.

 

I'm assuming he won't be ready at the start of the year but will probably be in rehab mode at some point during ST.

[Spanky__99]

Looking for Updates on his TJS and when he is expected to start throwing or if he will be ready to pitch next year? Have you heard anything

 

Likely back in game action sometime in July... that's if they even decide to promote him.

[Pendleton]

Likely back in game action sometime in July... that's if they even decide to promote him.

 

I think a return sometime in May would be my optimistic/uneducated projection. That's a full 12 months of recovery and then 8+ weeks of rehab/extended ST, which sounds about right to me barring any setbacks.

 

Obviously no two recoveries are exactly alike, but I believe I read that the D'Backs were hopefully Taijuan would be back in their rotation within about 13 months of his TJ in late April.

[Spanky__99]

I think a return sometime in May would be my optimistic/uneducated projection. That's a full 12 months of recovery and then 8+ weeks of rehab/extended ST, which sounds about right to me barring any setbacks.

 

Obviously no two recoveries are exactly alike, but I believe I read that the D'Backs were hopefully Taijuan would be back in their rotation within about 13 months of his TJ in late April.

 

Yes, depends on the recovery, anywhere from 12 to 18 months is the norm, sometimes longer.

[Pendleton]

Yes, depends on the recovery, anywhere from 12 to 18 months is the norm, sometimes longer.

 

So roughly any time between May, 2020 or never.

[Spanky__99]

So roughly any time between May, 2020 or never.

 

lol... I like your optimistic prediction.

[TheHurl]

Aren't you buying advertising on our show for your qawwali concert?

 

and lose the Indian listeners. I wouldn't risk your show like that. I am working on something for the Scouts.

[TheHurl]

The only valid criticism is the recent TJS, which obviously does cut his value down.

 

And likely the only reason he was available.

[xposbrad]

He'll be 27 in a month, how has he performed at the MLB level since he has all these great 'peripherals' ?

[Terminator]

There isn't much info on this guy. The peripherals do look good. Why is he so old though without having ever made an MLB appearance?