Donaldson Aug 31 Trade Thread

[BTS]

He cleared revocable waivers.

[BTS]

Shut the f*** up Spanky.

[Laika]

I'll never really understand WHY certain players do and do not clear August waivers.

 

It should be very likely that a deal will come together now. Hard to imagine them not getting something at least comparable to the QO compensation.

[BTS]

I'll never really understand WHY certain players do and do not clear August waivers.

 

It should be very likely that a deal will come together now. Hard to imagine them not getting something at least comparable to the QO compensation.

 

I don’t really get it either. I would have expected any playoff team with budget room to put a claim in, if only to block their opposition. A healthy JD could be a difference maker in the playoffs.

[Laika]

I don’t really get it either. I would have expected any playoff team with budget room to put a claim in, if only to block their opposition. A healthy JD could be a difference maker in the playoffs.

 

It must contravene the rules in some way to make a bad faith claim - if you have no intention to actually negotiate in good faith for the player.

 

But still, what would a likely interested team like STL have to lose by claiming him?

[baubau]

It must contravene the rules in some way to make a bad faith claim - if you have no intention to actually negotiate in good faith for the player.

 

No? The Yankees claimed Robertson a few years ago so to block the Jays from getting him. They were already out of the post season push by that point: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/08/yankees-claim-david-robertson-waivers.html

 

"11:50am: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports hears from a source that part of the Yankees’ motivation in making the claim was indeed to prevent the Blue Jays from having an opportunity to acquire Robertson (Twitter link)."

 

On top this year the Dodgers claimed Harper to block him as well.

[4thOFan]

He's owed $4 million and hasn't played since May. Why would anyone claim him given the uncertainty of his health/performance going forward?

[Barkerscousin]

Bluejays paying entire salary and accepting a non prospect = Papa Flanders "You gotta help us Doc, We've tried nothing and we are all out of ideas"

[Laika]

He's owed $4 million and hasn't played since May. Why would anyone claim him given the uncertainty of his health/performance going forward?

 

STL is rumoured to be interested. Any team competing with them for the WC would theoretically have nothing to lose and something to gain if they claimed him just to block STL. And they wouldn't be under any obligation to actually work out a deal and absorb the player or the salary.

 

It's just obvious that we (I) do not have some piece of key information about the process.

The claiming team must have some sort of obligation.

[Krylian]

Shut the f*** up Spanky.

 

I don't even know what the context of this is but I support the sentiment itself.

[4thOFan]

STL is rumoured to be interested. Any team competing with them for the WC would theoretically have nothing to lose and something to gain if they claimed him just to block STL. And they wouldn't be under any obligation to actually work out a deal and absorb the player or the salary.

 

It's just obvious that we (I) do not have some piece of key information about the process.

The claiming team must have some sort of obligation.

 

They have $4 million to lose. If any team claimed him the Blue Jays would happily let him go, so yes they'd be obligated to absorb the salary. It's doubtful the Jays offer a QO. Any deal is going to involve the Jays paying some of his salary.

[BTS]

They have $4 million to lose. If any team claimed him the Blue Jays would happily let him go, so yes they'd be obligated to absorb the salary. It's doubtful the Jays offer a QO. Any deal is going to involve the Jays paying some of his salary.

 

I don't think the team would let him go for nothing.

[Governator]

STL is rumoured to be interested. Any team competing with them for the WC would theoretically have nothing to lose and something to gain if they claimed him just to block STL. And they wouldn't be under any obligation to actually work out a deal and absorb the player or the salary.

 

It's just obvious that we (I) do not have some piece of key information about the process.

The claiming team must have some sort of obligation.

 

I think if another GM was making it clear they were also interested, then you go with the honour system to not hinder future negotiations with involved teams later on.

[Laika]

They have $4 million to lose. If any team claimed him the Blue Jays would happily let him go, so yes they'd be obligated to absorb the salary.

 

Right. I just find it bizarre that every potential suitor in a playoff push - where marginal wins are worth many, many millions of dollars - would be turned off by $4M in a sport where teams routinely pay that much amateurs and bench players.

 

But that does explain why he wouldn't be blocked by teams that just can't accommodate him at all on the roster.

[Barkerscousin]

What do you guys think of a guy like Kolby Allard out of the Braves, assuming we would pay the entire salary.

[Dr. Dinger]

I don't think the team would let him go for nothing.

 

I will be pissed AF if that happens, or if the Jays trade him for some nominal org guy. I'm on the QO train.

[Captain Adama]

What do you guys think of a guy like Kolby Allard out of the Braves, assuming we would pay the entire salary.

 

lmao

[devo]

What do you guys think of a guy like Kolby Allard out of the Braves, assuming we would pay the entire salary.

 

Keep dreamin bud

[Dr. Dinger]

What do you guys think of a guy like Kolby Allard out of the Braves, assuming we would pay the entire salary.

 

Ok so this raises an interesting discussion point. We wouldn't get a prospect as highly ranked as Allard, dogg. So that's #1. However the more germane thing is that Allard is on the Braves 40 man roster, so they wouldn't be able to trade him to us unless he also cleared waivers, which would never happen.

[Abomination]

STL is rumoured to be interested. Any team competing with them for the WC would theoretically have nothing to lose and something to gain if they claimed him just to block STL. And they wouldn't be under any obligation to actually work out a deal and absorb the player or the salary.

 

It's just obvious that we (I) do not have some piece of key information about the process.

The claiming team must have some sort of obligation.

 

It's possible some of the teams have a firm payroll threshold that they're already at, and are concerned that we will dump Donaldson for nothing if an agreement isn't worked out. If we have already decided we're not offering him the QO, then that could be a legit concern.

[4thOFan]

I don't think the team would let him go for nothing.

 

They have no leverage. They'd let him go and save the money, or keep him and pay him the rest of his salary when the team is going nowhere. If they don't plan on making him a QO keeping him wouldn't make sense. Of course this would be fine if they intended on making him a QO and taking the compensation if he goes elsewhere.. but I don't think Donaldson would decline the QO. If he was playing and performing no question someone would claim him. His stock has fallen.

[Spanky99]

I wonder if the Jays can get a return of value near the 75-80 pick they'd receive when JD turns down the QO, sure doesn't sound like he wants to stick around? Doesn't sound like the Jays want to risk giving up 18 million either with a roster crunch left behind. They could always trade him tonight as a PTBNL with stipulations depending on how he performs the rest of the way and into the post-season, meh... who knows.

[Spanky99]

Shut the f*** up Spanky.

 

Shaddup ya uphill gardening bike, salty dog lovin' f***ing knob jockey!

[Terminator]

STL is rumoured to be interested. Any team competing with them for the WC would theoretically have nothing to lose and something to gain if they claimed him just to block STL. And they wouldn't be under any obligation to actually work out a deal and absorb the player or the salary.

 

It's just obvious that we (I) do not have some piece of key information about the process.

The claiming team must have some sort of obligation.

 

Yeah is there some sort of "filing fee" or something? I agree with you in that it seems like way too many guys clear waivers. If I were a GM I'd be pretty damn aggressive in claiming players who were providing decent surplus value. Surely there's something preventing teams from doing that.

[burlingtonbandit]

Are the Jays going to get anything that's even better than a QO? If no team would pay $4 Million for him then the package they receive should be worth less than $ 4 Million in value you would think.

[BTS]

They have no leverage. They'd let him go and save the money, or keep him and pay him the rest of his salary when the team is going nowhere. If they don't plan on making him a QO keeping him wouldn't make sense. Of course this would be fine if they intended on making him a QO and taking the compensation if he goes elsewhere.. but I don't think Donaldson would decline the QO. If he was playing and performing no question someone would claim him. His stock has fallen.

 

I'm aware of the circumstances. If a team is prepared to pay $4M for his services, they'd also be willing to trade 1-2 low-level farm guys worth about the same if the Jays eat the money. The team would opt for actual players, even it means eating the cash, because the optics of just letting him go to save a few bucks are terrible for a FO that already has PR problems.

[BTS]

Are the Jays going to get anything that's even better than a QO? If no team would pay $4 Million for him then the package they receive should be worth less than $ 4 Million in value you would think.

 

Not necessarily. Teams might not have any room left in the 2018 budget, but would still be willing to part with players worth that same $4M on the market.

[Terminator]

I was in the QO camp but if the Indians and Cardinals are going to be making solid bids against one another and we pay the remainder of his salary it might not be so bad of an idea to move him now. Holding my judgement until we see the return.

[glory]

How about JD for Quentin Holmes (Cle)? He was a pick in the 60’s in 2017 and a massive lottery ticket.

[Barkerscousin]

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