Osuna traded to the Astros for Giles, Perez, and Paulino

[Jaysareus]

Osuna was traded because of the assault charge

[King]

Shatkins does it again. Pure genius

[4thOFan]

It isn't on twitter that post was a pure guess.

 

Still think so?

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Absolute steal for the Jays. Wow. A+++

[BTS]

David Paulino is ready to get a shot in the rotation now, and Perez looks like an interesting arm as well.

[P2F]

Holy f***, this is actual trape.

[Krylian]

Osuna was traded because of the assault charge

 

Really? This is the first I'm hearing of it.

[TheHurl]

Hector Perez and David Paulino. Great haul along with Giles considering all the circumstances. I was told from very early on that the Jays F.O. had decided that Osuna would never put on a Jays uniform again.

[BlueJayWay]

[xposbrad]

Solid trade for the Astros! Nice upgrade and a younger reliever for spare prospects.

[Superdood]

Solid trade considering the circumstances, A+ in my book.

[King]

Giles - Headcase

Paulino - roids

Osuna - wife beater

 

The most controversial trade of all time

[BTS]

BP from December:

 

Hector Perez, RHP, High-A Buies Creek

This Perez has nasty stuff as well. Seriously nasty. It’s a plus fastball/slider combination, and plus might be light on the ultimate slider projection. However, “strikethrower” is not an epithet we will be using in this blurb. Perez walked more batters than he struck out the last month of the season, and that isn’t wildly out of character with his season in general. There’s a lot of effort here, a not always repeatable release point, and another bullpen future. This Perez may have a bit more of a winding road to the majors, but you could certainly argue there is closer stuff in here. He also may be one of those guys that walks 7 per 9 in Triple-A for a while but keeps getting chances because the stuff is…well, nasty.

[BTS]

BP from December:

 

8. David Paulino, RHP

DOB: 2/6/1994

Height/Weight: 6’7”, 215 lbs.

Bats/Throws: R/R

Drafted/Acquired: Signed September 2010 by the Detroit Tigers out of the Dominican Republic for $75,000; acquired via trade from Detroit.

Previous Ranking(s): #3 (Org), #83 (Top 101)

2017 Stats: 6.52 ERA, 6.52 DRA, 29 IP, 36 H, 7 BB, 34 K in 6 games at the major league level; 4.50 ERA, 7.94 DRA, 14 IP, 11 H, 9 BB, 13 K in 3 games at Triple-A Fresno

 

The Good: Paulino has shown Top 101 stuff on the mound throughout his minor league career. He has a plus fastball that gets extreme plane due to his height and extension. He has a full four-pitch mix with two useable breakers. The curve is potentially plus. The change isn’t too bad. He already has major league time.

 

The Bad: Generally Paulino has had trouble staying on the mound due to durability issues. This year it was an 80-game PED suspension. We are not arbiters of morality here, but it was even more lost development time, time that may have come against major-league bats. He’s going to have to make adjustments there too, as his command hasn’t been great against them. The change isn’t too bad, but it’s not going to keep people from throwing reliever projections on him.

 

The Role:

 

OFP 55—Frustrating third starter that racks up Ks but occasionally just gets shelled

Likely 40—Good middle reliever

 

The Risks: Hoo boy. Yeah, I mean. He has had Tommy John surgery, and elbow tendinitis after that. An 80-game PED suspension after that, and he hasn’t consistently shown major league command or a third pitch. That’s a bigger spread OFP/Likely spread than I am generally comfortable with for a guy who is going to be 24 and is a handful of starts from graduating, but it may understate the risk here.

 

Major league ETA: Debuted in 2016

 

Ben Carsley’s Fantasy Take: For fantasy purposes I prefer Paulino to Armenteros, but there’s nothing I can say that reduces Paulino’s risk profile. The strikeout potential is big, but that won’t matter much if Paulino can’t reign in his command, and obviously the suspension doesn’t help. Odds are Paulino is a reliever, but he might be a damn good one. If he does manage to start he could be a high-WHIP, high-K SP5/6. That means he’ll flirt with top-150 status, but he’s certainly not a lock to get there.

[King]

Solid trade for the Astros! Nice upgrade and a younger reliever for spare prospects.

 

Fail

[Orgfiller]

The hot takes in the coming hours/days are going to be awful but on the surface this looks like a great trade.

[JaysAllMighty]

He was sent down right after he told a coach to f*** off on the mound, so I'd think that would do it

 

Well since we won't win next year matter as well have some entertainment... LOL

[Terminator]

This is a great deal for us. Giles and Osuna are similar talent-wise, Osuna has an extra year of control. Giles has some small character concerns, Osuna has a DV nightmare case on his hands in the #MeToo movement. The fact that we are getting two solid prospects on top of Giles surprises me.

 

In other words, the Astros nearly paid 100 cents on the dollar for Osuna despite the DV charge when I was hoping we'd get 80 cents.

[Jonn]

Solid trade for the Astros! Nice upgrade and a younger reliever for spare prospects.

 

You're dumb

 

Still think so?

 

Yes.

[BTS]

Giles is elite, and these prospects are legit high-upside arms, one of which is MLB-ready now. This trade is an absolute coup, especially given the circumstances.

[jays4life19]

The Jays did very well here. Perez is a bit of a lottery ticket but he has a special arm if he figures out how to put everything together.

[TheHurl]

David Paulino is ready to get a shot in the rotation now, and Perez looks like an interesting arm as well.

 

PED user...we can't have a cheater in the lineup.

[Krylian]

PED user...we can't have a cheater in the lineup.

 

Donaldson and Estrada cheated on their women.

[Orgfiller]

Solid trade for the Astros! Nice upgrade and a younger reliever for spare prospects.

 

Using "spare prospects" without maximizing their trade value is how you lose Gleyber Torres for a half season rental that you don't re-sign. This isn't the worst deal the Astros have made but it's barely an upgrade on Giles and the prospects they gave up aren't nothing.

[Jaysareus]

Look how fast zaun was fired and they traded Escobar. No way the Jays tolerate this stuff on their team

[Pulk_Pull]

Great comedy in here with the handful of chicken littles going ape s*** before the full trade was announced.

[TheHurl]

This is a great deal for us. Giles and Osuna are similar talent-wise, Osuna has an extra year of control. Giles has some small character concerns, Osuna has a DV nightmare case on his hands in the #MeToo movement. The fact that we are getting two solid prospects on top of Giles surprises me.

 

In other words, the Astros nearly paid 100 cents on the dollar for Osuna despite the DV charge when I was hoping we'd get 80 cents.

 

This is why you are a lawyer and not media. Giles has character issues and Osuna is a good guy but it's the #MeToo movement which hurts his case is how this statement would be read.

[fatcowxlive]

Wow I was saying as the news broke either the Jays had some inside info from TPS or Astros are really desperate. I believe in this FO too much for them to waste potential over a panic trade. Great to see that it's still true; Giles has the same amount of control as Osuna and with the exception of 2017 have been in line with each other, Paulino can probably slot in our rotation by the end of the season, and anything we get from Perez is a plus. Especially given the circumstances this is GREAT well done FO

[King]

 

Luhnow saying osuna deserves a 2nd chance and praising his character will surely go over well

[Terminator]

The Jays only discipline players of color (Osuna and Escobar). White players get away with a slap on the wrist (Pillar).