Tercet bets against himself, loses $500

[Terminator]

Teoscar's K-rate isn't really much of a concern at this point. Barely worse than league average and in the minors after his swing adjustment it was never really that bad. Last September it was bad but that was about it. His walk rate does suck though.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yea he turned on some nice fastballs up and away, but he has shown the ability to hit that pitch.

 

If he can learn to be more patient and stop swinging down & away ill buy a Teoscar jersey for BB and get it autographed.

 

In exchange I can give you this book.

 

https://www.amazon.ca/Poker-Dummies-Richard-D-Harroch/dp/0764552325

[L54]

Poker? I barely know her!

[tercet]

I could have used the poker book in May, Chinese sweat shop workers made more then me.

 

June is going aite though so far!

[tercet]

Teoscar has more strikeouts this week then Andrelton Simmons has all season!

 

Congrats!

[John_Havok]

Teoscar has more strikeouts this week then Andrelton Simmons has all season!

 

Congrats!

 

Get up to speed man, strikeouts don't matter anymore as long as you hit the ball hard or walk in the other 75% of your PA.

[jb22]

I could have used the poker book in May, Chinese sweat shop workers made more then me.

 

June is going aite though so far!

 

You are wayyyy too much of a nerd to use words like "aite" please stop immediately.

[Deadpool]

Higher OPS end of season: Grichuk or Teoscar.

 

Grichuk, but that's what I'd have said before the season started too. I'm high on Grichuk!

[tercet]

Get up to speed man, strikeouts don't matter anymore as long as you hit the ball hard or walk in the other 75% of your PA.

 

False

[tercet]

Higher OPS end of season: Grichuk or Teoscar.

 

Grichuk probably, but it will be close.

[tercet]

In unexpected news Teoscar regressed to the mean and has been Adam Duvall/Hunter Renfroe since the bet started April 28.

 

Teoscar - 272PA - 248/294/488, 5.1%BB, 26.8%K, 109 wRC+

Hunter Renfroe (career) - 242/298/482, 6.3%BB, 27.8%K 106 wRC+

Adam Duvall (career) - 234/294/465, 6.9%BB, 26.9%K, 100 wRC+

 

Expect a gradual decline now like every other hacker, and he will be in Japan/Korea soon like TheHurl predicted.

[tercet]

Teoscar might be able to play OF on my softball team...

[BTS]

Curious about what everyone thinks about Hernandez at this point. He's undeniably a talented hitter, but he's not going to provide value on the bases and the defense is bad. He's been about a 1-win player so far in his career, and projections think that's about his level.

 

I'm really not a fan of the overall skill set at this point.

[burlingtonbandit]

Curious about what everyone thinks about Hernandez at this point. He's undeniably a talented hitter, but he's not going to provide value on the bases and the defense is bad. He's been about a 1-win player so far in his career, and projections think that's about his level.

 

I'm really not a fan of the overall skill set at this point.

 

If he can learn to play defense he's a fine everyday player. He's got the tools to do so (plus speed and plus arm) but seems to have a pretty low baseball IQ (terrible decision making) so not sure he'll every make it there.

 

At this point I think you throw him out there everyday and try to develop him and hopefully he can turn into a 3 Win player. Not like the Jays really have any better options at the moment.

[BTS]

If he can learn to play defense he's a fine everyday player. He's got the tools to do so (plus speed and plus arm) but seems to have a pretty low baseball IQ (terrible decision making) so not sure he'll every make it there.

 

At this point I think you throw him out there everyday and try to develop him and hopefully he can turn into a 3 Win player. Not like the Jays really have any better options at the moment.

 

Seems unlikely to turn the defense around next year at 26 years old. I'm kind of hoping there's an offseason trade out there for an intriguing MLB ready pitcher or something.

[Abomination]

Curious about what everyone thinks about Hernandez at this point. He's undeniably a talented hitter, but he's not going to provide value on the bases and the defense is bad. He's been about a 1-win player so far in his career, and projections think that's about his level.

 

I'm really not a fan of the overall skill set at this point.

 

I'm fine with his defense. The biggest issues IMO is the odd bad read, and always throwing to the wrong base. Hopefully he's more teachable in that regard than Carrera was. I think his bat still has upside left also. I could quite easily see him settle in as a 125 to 130 wRC+ type guy as he hopefully learns to become more selective.

[Terminator]

Curious about what everyone thinks about Hernandez at this point. He's undeniably a talented hitter, but he's not going to provide value on the bases and the defense is bad. He's been about a 1-win player so far in his career, and projections think that's about his level.

 

I'm really not a fan of the overall skill set at this point.

 

When the Jays acquired him the scouting reports I read were that he was a passable CF and a good corner OF. Turns out he's a bad LF which really tanks his value a lot. He was also supposed to be a stolen base threat. He's been clocked as our fastest player but his minor league steals aren't translating to MLB.

 

That said, even though he's 25 he barely just passed 500 big league ABs so he could still make some adjustments and improve with the bat, his glove and even his base running. I think at this point the floor is a platoon LF (perhaps with McKinney making up the other half?) and the ceiling is a 3 WAR player if he can make some improvements.

[Orgfiller]

When the Jays acquired him the scouting reports I read were that he was a passable CF and a good corner OF. Turns out he's a bad LF which really tanks his value a lot. He was also supposed to be a stolen base threat. He's been clocked as our fastest player but his minor league steals aren't translating to MLB.

 

That said, even though he's 25 he barely just passed 500 big league ABs so he could still make some adjustments and improve with the bat, his glove and even his base running. I think at this point the floor is a platoon LF (perhaps with McKinney making up the other half?) and the ceiling is a 3 WAR player if he can make some improvements.

 

I feel like the steals thing are a matter of comfort level at this stage in his career. He's got wheels and for the most part is a pretty aggressive runner outside of steal attempts who goes hard most of the time, I think the stolen bases will come as he gets more of a greenlight. Defensively like it's been brought up, he's got the tools but he lacks instincts, his biggest problem is getting awful reads on the ball a lot; I think there's some potential for improvement here but it will take a lot of work.

[glory]

Curious about what everyone thinks about Hernandez at this point. He's undeniably a talented hitter, but he's not going to provide value on the bases and the defense is bad. He's been about a 1-win player so far in his career, and projections think that's about his level.

 

I'm really not a fan of the overall skill set at this point.

 

I'm fine with his bat but his D is so bad that I don't think it's worth it. If his best position is DH, then that's a problem.

[tercet]

Curious about what everyone thinks about Hernandez at this point. He's undeniably a talented hitter, but he's not going to provide value on the bases and the defense is bad. He's been about a 1-win player so far in his career, and projections think that's about his level.

 

I'm really not a fan of the overall skill set at this point.

 

What crack are you on? He is hitting 235/285/446 since May 1st which is what you and me said he would back in April. That is the line of a not good hitter.

[tercet]

If he can learn to play defense he's a fine everyday player. He's got the tools to do so (plus speed and plus arm) but seems to have a pretty low baseball IQ (terrible decision making) so not sure he'll every make it there.

 

At this point I think you throw him out there everyday and try to develop him and hopefully he can turn into a 3 Win player. Not like the Jays really have any better options at the moment.

 

No its a waste of time until he won't become a better hitter unless he gets a walk rate to 8-9%. He regressed as expected and is doing exactly what anyone with half a brain thought he would do.

[tercet]

I'm fine with his defense. The biggest issues IMO is the odd bad read, and always throwing to the wrong base. Hopefully he's more teachable in that regard than Carrera was. I think his bat still has upside left also. I could quite easily see him settle in as a 125 to 130 wRC+ type guy as he hopefully learns to become more selective.

 

lol

[tercet]

I'm fine with his bat but his D is so bad that I don't think it's worth it. If his best position is DH, then that's a problem.

 

He doesn't hit enough to be a DH, off to Korea/Japan he goes..

[burlingtonbandit]

No its a waste of time until he won't become a better hitter unless he gets a walk rate to 8-9%. He regressed as expected and is doing exactly what anyone with half a brain thought he would do.

 

Christ..

 

What did he not get a hit in the first 4 Spring Training PA you saw?

[BTS]

What crack are you on? He is hitting 235/285/446 since May 1st which is what you and me said he would back in April. That is the line of a not good hitter.

 

He hits the ball very hard. I think he's something like a 100-110 wRC+ guy. Which doesn't necessarily play in an everyday role if the defense doesn't improve.

[Orgfiller]

Christ..

 

What did he not get a hit in the first 4 Spring Training PA you saw?

 

He swung at 10 balls out of the strikezone while taking BP hungover back in February. No hitter who has gone on to be successful has ever done this.

[burlingtonbandit]

Teoscar xwOBA .371 xSLG .571

 

And its not like he's a Morales type who hits the ball hard on the ground and can't run. He's an above avg runner and who uses all fields so wouldn't have the shift penalty.

[tercet]

Christ..

 

What did he not get a hit in the first 4 Spring Training PA you saw?

 

I don't remember that part, but vs some tall latino 6'5'' 250++ Phillies AAA reliever (don't remember the name) Teoscar in the same AB swung at sliders that ended up in the LHB box, lol

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't remember that part, but vs some tall latino 6'5'' 250++ Phillies AAA reliever (don't remember the name) Teoscar in the same AB swung at sliders that ended up in the LHB box, lol

 

I once saw Aaron Nola get tagged for 7ER against the Jays in ST then went on to have a breakout season.

 

Doesn't mean s***.

[tercet]

He hits the ball very hard. I think he's something like a 100-110 wRC+ guy. Which doesn't necessarily play in an everyday role if the defense doesn't improve.

 

But he needs to face crappy pitchers/mistake pitches to hit the ball hard which is where I disagree with the "hit the ball hard argument". As of lately everyone just goes down and away vs him, which he can't do s*** versus.

 

Occasionally he will face some crappy pitcher AAA callup who will leave a fastball in or hang a slider which he will hit hard.