Jays Trade for Yangervis Solarte

[Inklink]

Good to know that Shatkins are alive.

[Grant77]

So the locks to make the lineup/bench are probably:

 

C - Martin

1B - Smoak

2B - Travis

3B - Donaldson

SS - Tulowitzki

CF - Pillar

LF/RF - Pearce

LF/RF -

DH - Morales

SS/2B/3B - Diaz

2B/3B - Solarte

LF/RF - Carrera

C -

 

Hernandez/Alford and maybe Pompey in play for the last OF spot, and Maile, McGuire, and Jansen in play for the backup C spot. The bench actually looks good.

 

Add in a low risk bat like Carlos Gonzalez and I'd call that a pretty successful offseason on the offensive side of things. I'd still like to add a SP or two and tinker with the bullpen.

[FrozenRopes]

Good depth signing. Let's them move some other pieces if need be. They need another starter, and stat.

[Boxcar]

Add in a low risk bat like Carlos Gonzalez and I'd call that a pretty successful offseason on the offensive side of things. I'd still like to add a SP or two and tinker with the bullpen.

 

I'd feel a lot more comfortable with this team if we had a Seattle-calibre offense.

[Grant77]

I'd feel a lot more comfortable with this team if we had a Seattle-calibre offense.

 

The 17th best wOBA in the league shouldn't be what we are shooting for, but I feel that our offense will be improved going into next season.

[jays4life19]

Here we goooooo

[John_Havok]

The 17th best wOBA in the league shouldn't be what we are shooting for, but I feel that our offense will be improved going into next season.

 

It would be a nice stepping stone from 25th

[Captain Adama]

The 17th best wOBA in the league shouldn't be what we are shooting for, but I feel that our offense will be improved going into next season.

 

Why are you using wOBA and not wRC+?

 

Is it because the Mariners were 5th?

[Ziggyy108]

CA - RUSSELL MARTIN ®

DH - KENDRYS MORALES (S)

1B - JUSTIN SMOAK (S)

2B - DEVON TRAVIS ®

SS - TROY TULOWITZKI ®

3B - JOSH DONALDSON ®

LF - EZEQUIEL CARRERA (L)

CF - KEVIN PILLAR ®

RF - TEOSCAR HERNANDEZ ®

 

1B/OF - STEVE PEARCE ®

3B/2B - YANGERVIS SOLARTE (S)

SS/2B - ALEDMYS DIAZ ®

2B - GIFT NGOEPE ®

 

AAA/AA

 

OF - DALTON POMPEY

OF - ANTHONY ALFORD

OF - DWIGHT SMITH JR

OF - HAROLD RAMIREZ

SS - LOURDES GURIEL

SS - RICHARD URENA

1B - ROWDY TELLEZ

C - MAX PENTECOST

C - DANNY JANSEN

C - REESE MCGUIRE

 

Need another outfielder or two and a backup catcher.

[Krylian]

CA - RUSSELL MARTIN ®

DH - KENDRYS MORALES (S)

1B - JUSTIN SMOAK (S)

2B - DEVON TRAVIS ®

SS - TROY TULOWITZKI ®

3B - JOSH DONALDSON ®

LF - EZEQUIEL CARRERA (L)

CF - KEVIN PILLAR ®

RF - TEOSCAR HERNANDEZ ®

 

1B/OF - STEVE PEARCE ®

3B/2B - YANGERVIS SOLARTE (S)

SS/2B - ALEDMYS DIAZ ®

2B - GIFT NGOEPE ®

 

AAA/AA

 

OF - DALTON POMPEY

OF - ANTHONY ALFORD

OF - DWIGHT SMITH JR

OF - HAROLD RAMIREZ

SS - LOURDES GURIEL

SS - RICHARD URENA

1B - ROWDY TELLEZ

C - MAX PENTECOST

C - DANNY JANSEN

C - REESE MCGUIRE

 

Need another outfielder or two and a backup catcher.

 

That ML roster looks kinda gross.

[glory]

No way Zeke starts on this team unless there are injuries. Atkins probably adds another outfielder, Pearce starts in left field, and then they allocate the rest of the money to the pitching side.

[Terminator]

No way Zeke starts on this team unless there are injuries. Atkins probably adds another outfielder, Pearce starts in left field, and then they allocate the rest of the money to the pitching side.

 

Pearce should not start over Hernandez IMO. Hernandez is the better OF. Pearce should start over Morales though.

[Jimcanuck]

Need another starter too, but even if all of those holes are filled, Jays are still a longshot to win WS.

[glory]

Pearce should not start over Hernandez IMO. Hernandez is the better OF. Pearce should start over Morales though.

 

I agree but I don't see them benching the vetrin Morales, and Pearce has no where else to play. They pretty much have to trade Pearce or start him in one of the corner outfield spots. No room on the bench with Solarte, Diaz, and Zeke there. Of course they could trade Morales, but that's a pipe dream.

[John_Havok]

CA - RUSSELL MARTIN ®

DH - KENDRYS MORALES (S)

1B - JUSTIN SMOAK (S)

2B - DEVON TRAVIS ®

SS - TROY TULOWITZKI ®

3B - JOSH DONALDSON ®

LF - EZEQUIEL CARRERA (L)

CF - KEVIN PILLAR ®

RF - TEOSCAR HERNANDEZ ®

 

1B/OF - STEVE PEARCE ®

3B/2B - YANGERVIS SOLARTE (S)

SS/2B - ALEDMYS DIAZ ®

2B - GIFT NGOEPE ®

 

AAA/AA

 

OF - DALTON POMPEY

OF - ANTHONY ALFORD

OF - DWIGHT SMITH JR

OF - HAROLD RAMIREZ

SS - LOURDES GURIEL

SS - RICHARD URENA

1B - ROWDY TELLEZ

C - MAX PENTECOST

C - DANNY JANSEN

C - REESE MCGUIRE

 

Need another outfielder or two and a backup catcher.

 

A Pearce/Zeke platoon in LF isn't ideal at all imo of they truly want to contend..but the bigger issue is no true backup CF. Zeke can play there in a pinch but I don't ever want him suiting up as a starter there for more than 1 or 2 games in a row and only due to injury.

 

Find a way to dump Kendrys, let Pearce DH, Zeke to the bench and hopefully Alford is healthy and starts in LF. Then if Pillar goes down, Alford can go to CF and Zeke to a corner and bring up someone else to fill the bench role.

[Jimcanuck]

A Pearce/Zeke platoon in LF isn't ideal at all imo of they truly want to contend..but the bigger issue is no true backup CF. Zeke can play there in a pinch but I don't ever want him suiting up as a starter there for more than 1 or 2 games in a row and only due to injury.

 

Find a way to dump Kendrys, let Pearce DH, Zeke to the bench and hopefully Alford is healthy and starts in LF. Then if Pillar goes down, Alford can go to CF and Zeke to a corner and bring up someone else to fill the bench role.

 

More likely Alford in Buffalo and called up when needed.

[closetjaysfan]

A Pearce/Zeke platoon in LF isn't ideal at all imo of they truly want to contend..but the bigger issue is no true backup CF. Zeke can play there in a pinch but I don't ever want him suiting up as a starter there for more than 1 or 2 games in a row and only due to injury.

 

Find a way to dump Kendrys, let Pearce DH, Zeke to the bench and hopefully Alford is healthy and starts in LF. Then if Pillar goes down, Alford can go to CF and Zeke to a corner and bring up someone else to fill the bench role.

 

Contend??? This season looks like year 1 of a 5 year rebuild to me.

[Bobthe4th]

A Pearce/Zeke platoon in LF isn't ideal at all imo of they truly want to contend..but the bigger issue is no true backup CF. Zeke can play there in a pinch but I don't ever want him suiting up as a starter there for more than 1 or 2 games in a row and only due to injury.

 

Find a way to dump Kendrys, let Pearce DH, Zeke to the bench and hopefully Alford is healthy and starts in LF. Then if Pillar goes down, Alford can go to CF and Zeke to a corner and bring up someone else to fill the bench role.

 

Alford will be called up from AAA and is the back up CF if Pillar is out for any significant length of time.

 

As you say, Carrera is pencilled in to fill in for the handful of games at CF where Pillar is rested.

[John_Havok]

More likely Alford in Buffalo and called up when needed.

 

Yeah, that's what I was a getting at, which I don't think is ideal(not the Alford in AAA part... the Zeke being a FT player part). Punt Kendrys and his useless bat out the door, let Pearce DH and have Zeke on the bench with an average LF and you likely improve 2-3ish wins alone.

 

Zeke plus Pearce are projected for 1.3 WAR, 1.3 of which is Pearce.

Kendrys projects at .4

 

Lorenzo Cain would be the ideal addition if they went the FA route, stick him in LF. That would require giving up a pick though and probably too long a contract to ever happen.

 

Pearce is bad enough defensive that he can DH without seeing much of a value hit,

[Bobthe4th]

Yeah, that's what I was a getting at, which I don't think is ideal(not the Alford in AAA part... the Zeke being a FT player part). Punt Kendrys and his useless bat out the door, let Pearce DH and have Zeke on the bench with an average LF and you likely improve 2-3ish wins alone.

 

Zeke plus Pearce are projected for 1.3 WAR, 1.3 of which is Pearce.

Kendrys projects at .4

 

Lorenzo Cain would be the ideal addition if they went the FA route, stick him in LF. That would require giving up a pick though and probably too long a contract to ever happen.

 

Pearce is bad enough defensive that he can DH without seeing much of a value hit,

 

Yeah and Pearce can also play in the field on days when we need the DH for someone else who needs a rest (like Travis). Morales just clogs up a roster spot if he isn’t hitting.

[Jimcanuck]

Yeah, that's what I was a getting at, which I don't think is ideal(not the Alford in AAA part... the Zeke being a FT player part). Punt Kendrys and his useless bat out the door, let Pearce DH and have Zeke on the bench with an average LF and you likely improve 2-3ish wins alone.

 

Zeke plus Pearce are projected for 1.3 WAR, 1.3 of which is Pearce.

Kendrys projects at .4

 

Lorenzo Cain would be the ideal addition if they went the FA route, stick him in LF. That would require giving up a pick though and probably too long a contract to ever happen.

 

Pearce is bad enough defensive that he can DH without seeing much of a value hit,

 

I agree with this if the goal is to contend. Expect the secret Shatkins goal is Zeke, Morales, whoever have a good first half and can be moved for value.

[GeorgiaPeach]

And we are competing with teams that acquire The HR king Stanton for scraps, and Resigned CC and were MILES better in all areas then us before the off season began.

Team needs an upgrade on Zeke if LF. Nice guy, ok player. it is just we have too many OK players in the OF. Need a MASHER!

 

To be fair Anthopoulos set the team up to be like the Yankees were a couple years back, when the Jays fanbase was laughing at their bloated payroll, old, broken team. Whoever didn't see what happened to the Jays in 2017 and beyond coming, is kidding themselves.

[Spanky99]

To be fair Anthopoulos set the team up to be like the Yankees were a couple years back, when the Jays fanbase was laughing at their bloated payroll, old, broken team. Whoever didn't see what happened to the Jays in 2017 and beyond coming, is kidding themselves.

 

It's cyclical though. We can do the same in short order. Love our FO to do just that.

[saskjayfan]

To be fair Anthopoulos set the team up to be like the Yankees were a couple years back, when the Jays fanbase was laughing at their bloated payroll, old, broken team. Whoever didn't see what happened to the Jays in 2017 and beyond coming, is kidding themselves.

 

who are the late 30s early 40s dead weight contracts? We have 2 players, Martin and Tulo making big dollars that AA acquired. Martin contract ends after his age 36 season. We can be done with Tulo after his age 35 season. Martin is still productive. Tulo came with injury risks, but you couldn't have predicted the offensive decline he's had while he's been a Jay. I still think Tulo can bounce back offensively and put up a 3 to 4 win season. I don't think the Yankees are a very good comp.

[GeorgiaPeach]

It's cyclical though. We can do the same in short order. Love our FO to do just that.

 

I agree. And it's cyclical based on ownership and the FO of whatever team you're looking at. But shrewd decisions that lengthen the window by building the farm back up, but strengthening the 25 man simultaneously is what I like to see.

[burlingtonbandit]

To be fair Anthopoulos set the team up to be like the Yankees were a couple years back, when the Jays fanbase was laughing at their bloated payroll, old, broken team. Whoever didn't see what happened to the Jays in 2017 and beyond coming, is kidding themselves.

 

I'll take the Tulo trade along with the Donaldson trade.

[Spanky99]

I'll take the Tulo trade along with the Donaldson trade.

 

True, but he's talking about the 180 AA did, as are org was stomping forward, at least that's what I think he means.

[GeorgiaPeach]

who are the late 30s early 40s dead weight contracts? We have 2 players, Martin and Tulo making big dollars that AA acquired. Martin contract ends after his age 36 season. We can be done with Tulo after his age 35 season. Martin is still productive. Tulo came with injury risks, but you couldn't have predicted the offensive decline he's had while he's been a Jay. I still think Tulo can bounce back offensively and put up a 3 to 4 win season. I don't think the Yankees are a very good comp.

 

The window Alex created was 2 years tops and after that a major overhaul was needed and we had a very bad farm. So 2015 & 2016 happened with playoff berths and that was it for me. I didn't expect the 2017 Jays to be anything. And that's why I also included 2017 in the mix along with this year and likely next. Only optimistic fans were fooling themselves thinking the Jays had a chance last year.

 

Looking at 2018 the Yankees 25 man blows our doors off. They have a superior farm, more financial resources, you want me to continue?

 

The Jays were very close to the oldest team in baseball in 2017 if not the oldest. Bautista was 37 last year, Morales, Martin, Pearce 34, Tulo & Donaldson early 30's, Estrada 33. Both Tulo & Martin broken and on contracts close to or eclipsing 20m. So we have a couple years of trying to stay afloat and maybe be a fringe WC hopeful because of the divide between the elite teams in the AL and s*** teams.

 

And tbh the Yankees have the money to make mistakes and run the way they ran for a couple years. The Jays can't be anchored down to dumb contracts, the margin for error is razor thin for the Jays. Especially with some of the powerhouse organizations like the Dodgers, Yanks, Houston, Cubs, Cards.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I'll take the Tulo trade along with the Donaldson trade.

 

So do I.

 

But you can't be like "yay the Jays are amazing in 2015 & 2016" and then s*** on the FO in the next breath because you (wink) never saw the collapse coming in 2017 and beyond.

[Abomination]

It's possible the Morales contract could be worse than any contract AA has signed or acquired. Just off the top of my head but I think it could be close (Obvious running mate is Tulo). I know for sure that the notion that AA was reckless with money is unfounded.

 

It's worth noting that nearly everyone was hating on Smoak's contract a year ago. I'd prefer if we could trade Morales because of the roster freedom it would give us, but I wouldn't write him off just yet in general.