General 2018 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Brownie19]

NJH - are you going to grace us with detailed suggestions on what moves you think the Jays should make this offseason? I really enjoyed reading and discussing your suggestions last year.

[Jonn]

 

He looks 35 and continues to be grossly out of shape. Colour me not very optimistic.

[Abomination]

Apparently the Solarte trade happened while Atkins was stuck on the tarmac at Pearson for four hours lol. He almost ran out of battery, and the plane was older and didn't have any ability to charge it. He had to finish the negotiations on his wife's phone.

[Spanky99]

Apparently the Solarte trade happened while Atkins was stuck on the tarmac at Pearson for four hours lol. He almost ran out of battery, and the plane was older and didn't have any ability to charge it. He had to finish the negotiations on his wife's phone.

 

Yeah, saw that on PTS, funny story.

[Deadpool]

 

He looks 35 and continues to be grossly out of shape. Colour me not very optimistic.

 

Yeah, there's no way he's been carded since he was like 13...

[Krylian]

 

He looks 35 and continues to be grossly out of shape. Colour me not very optimistic.

 

Lots of good fat hitters have carved out great careers, like carving a roast.

[jimedmonds]

Lots of good fat hitters have carved out great careers, like carving a roast.

 

i lol'ed

[z3r0s]

some good short term signings suggested in the other thread, but this looks like it fits more here. How do the Jays be half-ass competitive this year on their 20M budget.

 

Trade for Yelich (weather its Bo + change, or Alford, Warmouth, Greene as a steal), Sign Grandy for 1/7, Sign Dickey for 1/6

 

Hitting;

LF - C. Yelich

3B - J. Donaldson

1B - J. Smoak

RF - C. Granderson

SS - T. Tulowitzki

DH - K. Morales

C - R. Martin

2B - D. Travis

CF - K. Pillar

 

BN - A. Diaz

BN - Y. Solarte

BN - S. Pearce

BN - L. Maile

 

Minors Depth;

OF; T. Hernandez, D. Pompey, D. Smith, E. Carrera (can he be sent down?), Alford (if not traded)

IF; R. Urena, R. Tellez,

C; D. Jansen, R. McGuire

 

Comments;

- Good MLB IF depth, decent MiLB OF depth (but not high upside other than Alford)

- Lack of OF depth on the MLB roster with Pearce off the bench. CF could be covered by Yelich for in-game injuries or single off days for Pillar (who usually plays like 95% of games anyway).

- Would ideally lose one of Morales or Pearce

- Not a bad top of the line-up actually.

 

Pitching;

 

SP - M. Stroman

SP - A. Sanchez

SP - J. Happ

SP - M. Estrada

SP - R. Dickey

 

CP - R. Osuna

SU - J. Biagini

SU - R. Tepera

MRP - D. Leone

MRP - D. Barnes

LRP - A. Loup

LRP - C. Ramirez (a rotation)

 

Minors Depth;

R. Borucki, uhhh, C. Greene or Reid-Foley if they figure s*** out?

 

Comments; Extreme lack of depth pitching in BP and the rotation. Would have to add depth and pray.

 

All in all its a team that should be able to win enough games to at least compete for a low-end playoff spot. Has lots of vets you can try and dish off at the deadline if it looks like you don't have a REALLY GOOD CHANCE to make the playoffs.

Trade; Donaldson, Granderson, Pearce, Happ, Estrada, Dickey

Take Offers on; Osuna, Smoak, Pillar

Try (and likely fail) to move; the old guys; Tulo, Martin, Morales

[Boxcar]

Dunno why we wouldn't just stick Pearce in DH instead of Morales if we want to half compete. Probably a 3 WAR upgrade we'd just have sitting on the bench.

[z3r0s]

Dunno why we wouldn't just stick Pearce in DH instead of Morales if we want to half compete. Probably a 3 WAR upgrade we'd just have sitting on the bench.

 

He's on the team, so you could make the swap. I just don't see Gibby doing it, so I put Morales in the lineup.

[Terminator]

I think Teoscar Hernandez is underrated here. The OBP might not be there but he's got enough pop, defense and baserunning to be an average regular. At worst he's a solid backup. He's also old enough that he deserves his shot now. I think given all the needs we have he's probably penciled in as a starter. Not sure Shatkins signs two starting OFers.

[intentional wok]

I think Teoscar Hernandez is underrated here. The OBP might not be there but he's got enough pop, defense and baserunning to be an average regular. At worst he's a solid backup. He's also old enough that he deserves his shot now. I think given all the needs we have he's probably penciled in as a starter. Not sure Shatkins signs two starting OFers.

 

I've just been assuming that it's his job to lose barring some no-brainer trade or some bargain OF signings. I figured the goal for the OF this offseason has been to sign/acquire one solid corner bat in addition to addressing IF depth (done) and SP/bullpen (not done yet). Teoscar will probably slot into whichever corner the new OF doesn't play.

[Brownie19]

I think Teoscar Hernandez is underrated here. The OBP might not be there but he's got enough pop, defense and baserunning to be an average regular. At worst he's a solid backup. He's also old enough that he deserves his shot now. I think given all the needs we have he's probably penciled in as a starter. Not sure Shatkins signs two starting OFers.

 

I agree and while I love the idea of trading for Yelich - while also thinking Grandy would be a solid fit - I can't see us doing both. How worried are we that Happ and Estrada leave after this season? If our 5th starter signing is another stop gap, we could be looking at a rotation with only Stro + Sanchez, with youngsters Borucki, SRF, etc. hopefully knocking at the door. Giving a starting OF position to Teoscar (or Alford really) and using the extra cash to lock up someone like Lynn to a 3 year deal would provide more stability moving forward.

[z3r0s]

I agree and while I love the idea of trading for Yelich - while also thinking Grandy would be a solid fit - I can't see us doing both. How worried are we that Happ and Estrada leave after this season? If our 5th starter signing is another stop gap, we could be looking at a rotation with only Stro + Sanchez, with youngsters Borucki, SRF, etc. hopefully knocking at the door. Giving a starting OF position to Teoscar (or Alford really) and using the extra cash to lock up someone like Lynn to a 3 year deal would provide more stability moving forward.

 

I don't have anything against Lynn, just more of an odds thing. I don't think we are going to compete in 2019 and 2020. With Donaldson gone our lineup looks like s***. Why lock up a SP for those years? Yelich at 5 more years is still around when you hope Vlad Jr and Bo are ready.

[Brownie19]

I don't have anything against Lynn, just more of an odds thing. I don't think we are going to compete in 2019 and 2020. With Donaldson gone our lineup looks like s***. Why lock up a SP for those years? Yelich at 5 more years is still around when you hope Vlad Jr and Bo are ready.

 

I guess that's fair. My rebuttal would be he's a better asset for us. If he returns to his 3+ WAR form, he'll be a pretty valuable piece either way - and someone has to pitch for us in 2019 + 2020. Also, Lynn + Teaoscar is probably >> than Grandy + Dickey in 2018, plus it gives us the opportunity to see if Teaoscar is going to be an everyday player that could help the team in 2020-2022.

[AledmysDiaz]

Would you guys do Osuna + Bo for Yelich?

 

Or is that too much.

[z3r0s]

I guess that's fair. My rebuttal would be he's a better asset for us. If he returns to his 3+ WAR form, he'll be a pretty valuable piece either way - and someone has to pitch for us in 2019 + 2020. Also, Lynn + Teaoscar is probably >> than Grandy + Dickey in 2018, plus it gives us the opportunity to see if Teaoscar is going to be an everyday player that could help the team in 2020-2022.

 

I guess it depends what you think Lynn will get. If Lynn turns back into a 3 WAR player he will probably be about as valuable as Grandy + Dickey. Probably not a ton of value or money difference either way. I guess it depends if you prefer term or not term.

[Brownie19]

I guess it depends what you think Lynn will get. If Lynn turns back into a 3 WAR player he will probably be about as valuable as Grandy + Dickey. Probably not a ton of value or money difference either way. I guess it depends if you prefer term or not term.

 

Don't forget to add in Teoscar's value in there. Even with a wRC+ of 95-100, he could put up 2.5 WAR season based on BsR + Def.

[L54]

Would you guys do Osuna + Bo for Yelich?

 

Or is that too much.

 

If they trade Osuna you might as well keep Bo. Moving Osuna is the first or second domino to fall if a rebuild begins. I'd rather keep Bo + the prospects for Osuna than move them both for Yelich.

[z3r0s]

Don't forget to add in Teoscar's value in there. Even with a wRC+ of 95-100, he could put up 2.5 WAR season based on BsR + Def.

 

I didn't! lol, I don't think he'll be worth much of anything next year. Hope I'm pleasantly surprised. We'll get a good look at him next year regardless as he's at the top of the depth chart with Alford.

[Bobthe4th]

I think Teoscar Hernandez is underrated here. The OBP might not be there but he's got enough pop, defense and baserunning to be an average regular. At worst he's a solid backup. He's also old enough that he deserves his shot now. I think given all the needs we have he's probably penciled in as a starter. Not sure Shatkins signs two starting OFers.

 

Also - Gibby seemed to be assuming Hernandez would be starting when he was interviewed late last year. I think he’ll get a fair chance.

 

IMO he’d have to be really bad to not at least be Carrera’s mid-term replacement as 4th outfielder, with a chance of being a starter if he does reasonably well.

[Cbert]

Would you guys do Osuna + Bo for Yelich?

 

Or is that too much.

I don’t know that it’s too much, but I think it’s the wrong combination of players. I think you move Osuna for multiple top prospects, not in a package for one star player.

 

I’d rather look at something that included Bichette and Pearson + for Yelich and then move Osuna for 2-3 top prospects.

[G-Snarls]

Damn, nice list of participants:

 

[Abomination]

Damn, nice list of participants:

 

 

That's a really nice list ... provided we don't wake up in a week or two and find JPA has wormed himself into the backup catcher's role.

[TBJ12]

That's a really nice list ... provided we don't wake up in a week or two and find JPA has wormed himself into the backup catcher's role.

 

JPA the new Zaun?

[glory]

Teoscar struck out a metric ton amount of times last season. I don't mind giving him a spot but he has to get back to around 25% K% to be a decent outfielder.

 

The Jays have to decide between Morales and Pearce. Can't keep both on the team. We all know who the better player is, but being better means he's an asset, while Kendrys has no value at all.

[jays4life19]

Teoscar struck out a metric ton amount of times last season. I don't mind giving him a spot but he has to get back to around 25% K% to be a decent outfielder.

 

The Jays have to decide between Morales and Pearce. Can't keep both on the team. We all know who the better player is, but being better means he's an asset, while Kendrys has no value at all.

 

Yeah, Teoscar needs to be given competition as he might be alright but he might really suck too.

[Brownie19]

Teoscar struck out a metric ton amount of times last season. I don't mind giving him a spot but he has to get back to around 25% K% to be a decent outfielder.

 

The Jays have to decide between Morales and Pearce. Can't keep both on the team. We all know who the better player is, but being better means he's an asset, while Kendrys has no value at all.

 

His K% in AAA for the Astros was only 20.7% last year and was in the high teens in AA/AAA in 2016. He also walked a lot more in Houston that he did with us. His K% spiked in Buffalo and with the Jays last year, but hopefully that's a SSS.

[Deadpool]

Am I the only one who thinks that, given an outfield of Pillar, Hernandez and Alford, that Pillar would be the worst of them? I know I'm higher on Alford than most, and I think Teoscar could be an above average MLB regular next year, but... Is that just me?

[burlingtonbandit]

Teoscar struck out a metric ton amount of times last season. I don't mind giving him a spot but he has to get back to around 25% K% to be a decent outfielder.

 

The Jays have to decide between Morales and Pearce. Can't keep both on the team. We all know who the better player is, but being better means he's an asset, while Kendrys has no value at all.

 

He had one of the highest difference between his expected wOBA and his actual wOBA (in a bad way) so I'm curious why the FO keeps pumping his tires given they are believers in that information.