Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 We just cut Goins AND picked up a MIF with control and known upside for essentially free. Nice work, Shatkins.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Fringe SS for fringe OF. That's generous to Woodman. He's pretty far away fom fringe OF. Fringe OF prospect at best.
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 So I'll do it. Why would the Cards give Diaz away for free? They aren't a dumb FO.
Abomination Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 So I'll do it. Why would the Cards give Diaz away for free? They aren't a dumb FO. Softening us up for a Donaldson trade?
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 I still think his down season last year was due to his thumb injury, a healthy Diaz is our Utility man, this is a really, really good move.
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 I still think his down season last year was due to his thumb injury, a healthy Diaz is our Utility man, this is a really, really good move. A healthy, productive Diaz is our starting shortstop...
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 We just cut Goins AND picked up a MIF with control and known upside for essentially free. Nice work, Shatkins. Today was a good day!
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 A healthy, productive Diaz is our starting shortstop... Tulo says Hi.
burlingtonbandit Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 So I'll do it. Why would the Cards give Diaz away for free? They aren't a dumb FO. I wonder if maybe they think 2016 he was taking PEDs. His ISO in 2016 looks like a big outlier especially given the ballpark he played in. Even if he's only a trued talent 90wRC+ that's pretty valuable given his positional versatility.
Cleveland Steamer Verified Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 This will be this offseason’s biggest move.
Cleveland Steamer Verified Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 I wonder if maybe they think 2016 he was taking PEDs. His ISO in 2016 looks like a big outlier especially given the ballpark he played in. Even if he's only a trued talent 90wRC+ that's pretty valuable given his positional versatility. This.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 So I'll do it. Why would the Cards give Diaz away for free? They aren't a dumb FO. Maybe he's just an ******* like Yunel Escobar. Diaz was already DFAed once.
BTS Community Moderator Posted December 2, 2017 Author Posted December 2, 2017 This will be this offseason’s biggest move. Haha totally
Ziggyy108 Verified Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Softening us up for a Donaldson trade?
Superdood Verified Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 The Cardinals sure like their OF prospects.... what a steal for the Jays if he can be healthy and productive. Love this add as utility depth.
burlingtonbandit Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 One thing is his xwOBA has been well below his actual wOBA the last 2 years so perhaps the bat is well below average. Probably what the Cardinals were looking at when deciding to trade him.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 One thing is his xwOBA has been well below his actual wOBA the last 2 years so perhaps the bat is well below average. Probably what the Cardinals were looking at when deciding to trade him. Well... assuming the defense is solid, he can do Goins' job for less money. Nice savings with some potential upside.
Key22 Verified Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 SS Defense supposedly well below average.
burlingtonbandit Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Well... assuming the defense is solid, he can do Goins' job for less money. Nice savings with some potential upside. Yeah worst case is he is Ryan Goins with a better bat and worse glove. Upside is a 2-3 Win player with control.
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 SS Defense supposedly well below average. Scouting report in 2015 on his D "Defensively, Diaz is more solid than flashy with average arm strength and range to play shortstop adequately, but few scouts consider him a long-term everyday option there in the big leagues. He's athletic enough to move around the diamond, and that seems like the most likely outcome for Diaz, who was added back to the 40-man after a solid showing in the Arizona Fall League. He'd have to hit his way onto the big league roster in 2016. Otherwise, he will head to Triple-A Memphis." The D metrics aren't great but their not horrible or anything. Looks okay to me.
Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 So I'll do it. Why would the Cards give Diaz away for free? They aren't a dumb FO. I could guess is that they have a lot of IF depth they need to clear out? This might've been the best offer they could get. I dunno.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Woodman had a 38% K% in low A and had a 98 wRC+ despite a BABIP a shade under .400. At age 22, about to turn 23. Damn, what an awful draft pick that turned out to be, but good way to leverage it into something potentially useful.
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 I assume he can play 2nd. Does anyone know if he has the arm to cover 3rd?
P2F Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 I assume he can play 2nd. Does anyone know if he has the arm to cover 3rd? Both arms confirmed, at least one of which should be able to cover third. We're laughin'.
burlingtonbandit Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Scouting report in 2015 on his D "Defensively, Diaz is more solid than flashy with average arm strength and range to play shortstop adequately, but few scouts consider him a long-term everyday option there in the big leagues. He's athletic enough to move around the diamond, and that seems like the most likely outcome for Diaz, who was added back to the 40-man after a solid showing in the Arizona Fall League. He'd have to hit his way onto the big league roster in 2016. Otherwise, he will head to Triple-A Memphis." The D metrics aren't great but their not horrible or anything. Looks okay to me. SS was pretty rough last year looking at DRS and Inside Edge. Probably isn't getting any more athletic either. He'll be fine playing there twice a week but if Tulo goes down for a month I'm not sure you want him playing everyday there.
Pendleton Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Nothing to dislike about today's moves. I wonder if they'll give any thought to maybe giving Diaz some OF reps in an attempt to maximize his value as a super utility type. Either way he's a lot more interesting than our previous utility infielders.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Cardinals fans are HATING on this move Yay
Sammy225 Old-Timey Member Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Big question here is if he is a true cardinal?
TheHurl Site Manager Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Cardinals fans are HATING on this move Yay My Cards friends are saying good riddance. Goins gone and I got blocked by Marty York today...that's a good day!
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