Offseason Roster Thread 2017-18

[Bobthe4th]

I don't think Nunez will sign with a team to be a back up. If the Jays gave him an everyday 2B job then I could see it (then slide him over to 3B in 2019 when JD bounces). I mean, being the utility infielder for the Jays basically is a starting spot given how broken Travis and Tulo are every year, but you would have to sell players on that, and I'm not sure it will work with anyone half decent.

 

If the Jays want a Zobrist type, then they are going to have to identify one before he turns into a Zobrist type. So find some blocked/underachieving-but-talented young player on another team and pour some high performance department magic on them. Find a Jean Segura pre-2016 type somewhere who needs a chance of scenery.

 

Or Gurriel turns into that guy.

[Ray]

I wonder what it would take to get Josh Harrison from the Pirates. He's exactly the type of player that we're looking for. Plays infield and outfield and has some speed. Not terribly old. He'll start marking $10 million starting next season and the Pirates FO are notoriously cheap. If we're not gonna put Conner Greene on the 40-man, I'd rather use him as trade bait to get someone like a Harrison.

 

Profar also is a perfect fit. Nunez and Cozart are good as well. Lots of options for good depth this offseason.

[glory]

Profar also is a perfect fit. Nunez and Cozart are good as well. Lots of options for good depth this offseason.

 

I like Tony Kemp and Profar as trade targets. No way Kemp has any future with the Stros as he's not overtaking anyone on their current infield or their utility infielder (damn the Stros are loaded!). I'd rather have him than Nunez to be honest.

[jays_fever]

Eduardo Nunez seems like a really obvious fit. Can backup all the infield positions and he can play the corner outfield positions too. Hopefully he doesn't mind signing in Toronto because there's potentially a ton of playing time for him.

 

Nunez is pretty solid even if you just stick him at 2B for a whole year. I'm not sure why they're only projecting 2/16. Thats a major steal for a team if they can pull it off

[burlingtonbandit]

I like Tony Kemp and Profar as trade targets. No way Kemp has any future with the Stros as he's not overtaking anyone on their current infield or their utility infielder (damn the Stros are loaded!). I'd rather have him than Nunez to be honest.

 

Isn't Kemp a 2B only though and can't play SS? Tough to have a utility IF that can't play SS.

[glory]

Isn't Kemp a 2B only though and can't play SS? Tough to have a utility IF that can't play SS.

 

I don't think Nunez can play short anymore either. He's more of a 2B/3B type now. If they give Kemp some reps at 3B to increase his versatility, then he's likely a decent utility option. But yes, ideally you'd want an infielder who can play short as well. Profar is probably a better fit then. Trying to think of young players who have either disappointed or are blocked. That's where the Jays need to be looking, imo.

[Dick_Pole]

Or Gurriel turns into that guy.

 

Hire back Ricciardi to help find the next Scutaro, then immediately fire him once the task is complete.

[KingKat]

Hire back Ricciardi to help find the next Scutaro, then immediately fire him once the task is complete.

 

Remember when Ricciardi tried to block Scutaro with David Eckstein? Good times.

[Dick_Pole]

Remember when Ricciardi tried to block Scutaro with David Eckstein? Good times.

 

To be fair his batting average wasn't very good that first year.

[Jimcanuck]

Jays vegas odds currently 30-1. What do the odds need to be for you to go for it in 2018 and be willing to let JD walk for nothing?

 

Me, its somewhere between 15-1 and 20-1

[LGBJ29]

Jays vegas odds currently 30-1. What do the odds need to be for you to go for it in 2018 and be willing to let JD walk for nothing?

 

Me, its somewhere between 15-1 and 20-1

 

Idk if I'd have a number. These dont really accurately measure the strength of the teams but more reflect what kind of betting action the books receive on them

[Abomination]

Jays vegas odds currently 30-1. What do the odds need to be for you to go for it in 2018 and be willing to let JD walk for nothing?

 

Me, its somewhere between 15-1 and 20-1

 

The odds mean nothing regarding the decision on Donaldson. Rogers wants butts in the seats and eyes on the broadcasts, and they want to solidify the fan interest that's been gained from the past few years. They don't want to lose that interest by immediately going into a rebuild mode. They're not trading Donaldson (at least prior to the deadline) unless someone does something really stupid to get him.

[o2cui2i]

The odds mean nothing regarding the decision on Donaldson. Rogers wants butts in the seats and eyes on the broadcasts, and they want to solidify the fan interest that's been gained from the past few years. They don't want to lose that interest by immediately going into a rebuild mode. They're not trading Donaldson (at least prior to the deadline) unless someone does something really stupid to get him.

 

I'm all for 29 teams doing something really stupid.... just need it to not be the Jays

[Jimcanuck]

The odds mean nothing regarding the decision on Donaldson. Rogers wants butts in the seats and eyes on the broadcasts, and they want to solidify the fan interest that's been gained from the past few years. They don't want to lose that interest by immediately going into a rebuild mode. They're not trading Donaldson (at least prior to the deadline) unless someone does something really stupid to get him.

 

Ya i know they mean nothing to the Jays decision. I'm basically asking BJMB whether the team as presently constructed is good enough to keep Donaldson and lose him for nothing, or what improvements need to be made between now and April.

 

It is probably true that if the Jays FO are unsuccessful in making the improvements they think are needed, they will shop JD.

 

At minimum, they need a versatile MIF/OF that can hit (Ian Happ type), a back end starter, and a middle of the order corner OF. Pretty tall order. And no, Jay Bruce doesnt cut it.

[glory]

Ya i know they mean nothing to the Jays decision. I'm basically asking BJMB whether the team as presently constructed is good enough to keep Donaldson and lose him for nothing, or what improvements need to be made between now and April.

 

It is probably true that if the Jays FO are unsuccessful in making the improvements they think are needed, they will shop JD.

 

At minimum, they need a versatile MIF/OF that can hit (Ian Happ type), a back end starter, and a middle of the order corner OF. Pretty tall order. And no, Jay Bruce doesnt cut it.

 

I don't think they can do enough to turn the 2018 team into a division contender, but a 2nd wild card contender, possibly. I'm not sure that's even worth keeping JD for a toss up game on the road but Rogers gon Rogers. They don't realize that fans tuned out for two decades watching a mediocre but not terrible product and no one wants to see that type of s*** again.

[Dick_Pole]

I don't think they can do enough to turn the 2018 team into a division contender, but a 2nd wild card contender, possibly. I'm not sure that's even worth keeping JD for a toss up game on the road but Rogers gon Rogers. They don't realize that fans tuned out for two decades watching a mediocre but not terrible product and no one wants to see that type of s*** again.

 

Because Ash, Godfrey, Beeston and Ricciardi are going to be the ones running the team for the next 20 years....

 

*Sigh* The alarmists are always going to be the alarmists, I guess.

[glory]

Because Ash, Godfrey, Beeston and Ricciardi are going to be the ones running the team for the next 20 years....

 

*Sigh* The alarmists are always going to be the alarmists, I guess.

 

Nah, I trust this front office, I just don't believe Rogers will give them full autonomy for direction of the team. Losing JD for nothing in hopes of getting a wild card spot one for season seems like a very short sighted move, especially since they have no one realistically ready to replace him in 2019 (unless Vladdy goes god mode in '18 and reaches the bigs). I mean if they get a WC spot and end up going to the ALDS, then I'll take it since playoff baseball is awesome, but it's still Rogers looking at bottom line over what is best for the team long term.

[art_vandelay275]

Nah, I trust this front office, I just don't believe Rogers will give them full autonomy for direction of the team. Losing JD for nothing in hopes of getting a wild card spot one for season seems like a very short sighted move, especially since they have no one realistically ready to replace him in 2019 (unless Vladdy goes god mode in '18 and reaches the bigs). I mean if they get a WC spot and end up going to the ALDS, then I'll take it since playoff baseball is awesome, but it's still Rogers looking at bottom line over what is best for the team long term.

 

I also see Rogers managing of the team as a commercial enterprise as Shaitkins greatest obstacle. I recall reading somewhere that Jays are the only team that's owned by a corporation. Every time I'm tempted to extrapolate Cleveland's success to the Jays, I have to remind myself that the ownership is fundamentally different; and not as simplistic as size of budget/small market vs big market, etc.

 

This whole premise of "contending in 2018" sounds more like corporate-speak than what an experience baseball mind/FO would do ... at least to me anyways

[Jimcanuck]

The wild card in this is Otani. As long as Donaldson remains on the team, the signal is the Jays are retooling for a postseason run in 2018, and there is some chance to sign Otani.

 

Trade Donaldson, and the chance of signing Otani goes to virtually zero.

[saskjayfan]

Otani may not come to the MLB next year, and if he does even with Donaldson the odds of signing him are 0.2%.

[Spanky99]

Otani may not come to the MLB next year, and if he does even with Donaldson the odds of signing him are 0.2%.

 

Math...

[Jimcanuck]

Otani may not come to the MLB next year, and if he does even with Donaldson the odds of signing him are 0.2%.

 

first part is correct, 2nd part, its more than 0.2%

[burlingtonbandit]

I thought I read an interview with Shapiro and he even said he doesn't think the chances of landing Otani are very good suggesting other teams were better fits.

 

If the President says that then there's basically no change he's coming here.

[Krylian]

Shocking. I thought for sure Otani was coming to TO like all the other high profile FA's.. Edited November 4, 2017 by Krylian

[Pendleton]

Otani may not come to the MLB next year, and if he does even with Donaldson the odds of signing him are 0.2%.

 

Forgot to carry a four

[Dick_Pole]

Come on Trump....send out a Tweet about how much you hate Japanese people.

[Captain Adama]

Otani may not come to the MLB next year, and if he does even with Donaldson the odds of signing him are 0.2%.

 

Did you know that 78% of all statistics are made up?

[saskjayfan]

I would be over the moon if the Jays got Otani. I would be excited if they got Stanton. I'd rather focus my discussions on a guy like Cobb who I do think they have a shot at. I would be pumped if they could land him.

[ColdPint]

Any thoughts on Lance Lynn?

[Spanky99]

Forgot to carry a four

 

lulz