Shohei Otani signs with Angels

[intrigid]

Its more like having the restaurant bringing in all of these special foods specifically for you to have and then you sit down and say well I'm Vegan so I'll just have a caeser salad.

 

They spent all of these resources trying to cater to you but then you deciding you weren't going to go there no matter how good the presentation was.

 

The restaurant analogy only makes sense if the restaurant reasonably believed there was a 1/30 chance your meal was going to revolutionize and turn the restaurant into a dynasty for years to come.

[intrigid]

Buncha whiny dummies on this thread. This guy is unanimously seen around MLB as a potential once in a lifetime player. People seriously believe MLB clubs are angry that they wasted some administrative overtime and office supplies making this guy an offer? They would have been more than happy to have dragged their collective dicks through miles of broken glass just to hear Otani fart through a walkie talkie.

[John_Havok]

In the case of Harper and Machado, the majority of teams will know they have no shot at them and move on to other options accordingly. This was a very unique situation in that you could get a potential star for six years of control (3 cheap and 3 arb) for $20m. Of course teams were going to do whatever they could to impress him since it was not specified what exactly he was looking for. It certainly wasn't money, so every team, to varying degrees, should have felt that they had a chance if they presented a strong case (though I'm sure most knew it was a long shot, including the Jays).

 

Again, not sure why so many people are white knighting for Ohtani here. No one is saying he did anything wrong. It was just pointless and a waste of time/resources for many teams knowing now that Ohtani only valued location and not much else (I can't imagine anyone would value Seattle for any other reason, certainly not baseball reasons).

 

Sure, in hindsight it always seems like a waste of time when your team gets informed they didn't make the cut. But you still make the pitch 100 times out of 100 because of the potential return.

 

So, if you make the pitch 100 times out of 100, it is not pointless nor a waste of time/resources by definition. The only waste would be if a team made no effort whatsoever

[Jonn]

I really hope he signs with the Padres. That origination really needs some help and a special talent like him. Would be extremely disappointed if he picked the Dodgers.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm hoping for the Mariners I think. It'd be cool to see him live for a series a year compared to an NL team that comes here once every 6 years.

 

Plus being able to watch him on TV more. Even though I have MLB TV I rarely will watch the late games.

[baseballsss]

I'm hoping for the Mariners I think. It'd be cool to see him live for a series a year compared to an NL team that comes here once every 6 years.

 

Plus being able to watch him on TV more. Even though I have MLB TV I rarely will watch the late games.

 

I'm hoping for cubs or Angels. Cubs would be stacked but would love to see Trout get more help.

[BTS]

I really hope he signs with the Padres. That origination really needs some help and a special talent like him. Would be extremely disappointed if he picked the Dodgers.

 

I feel like he’ll be wasted there. I have no faith in them building a winner around him.

[Brownie19]

I feel like he’ll be wasted there. I have no faith in them building a winner around him.

 

I guess the same could be said about the Angels.

[jays4life19]

I guess the same could be said about the Angels.

 

No way.

[glory]

I guess the same could be said about the Angels.

 

The Angels are smarter than they used to be, despite Scioscia managing. They won't be able to work around Pujols' contract, but adding Ohtani could put them in the WC favorite category.

 

I'm rooting for the Padres partly because it keeps him away from the AL, and partly because it's a better story than him joining up with a team that's already good.

[KingKat]

The Angels are smarter than they used to be, despite Scioscia managing. They won't be able to work around Pujols' contract, but adding Ohtani could put them in the WC favorite category.

 

I'm rooting for the Padres partly because it keeps him away from the AL, and partly because it's a better story than him joining up with a team that's already good.

 

Ohtani would be a godsend to the Angels. As you mentionned they can't get out of the Pujols deal which inhibits they're ability to afford to land top talent otherwise.

[burlingtonbandit]

The Angels are smarter than they used to be, despite Scioscia managing. They won't be able to work around Pujols' contract, but adding Ohtani could put them in the WC favorite category.

 

I'm rooting for the Padres partly because it keeps him away from the AL, and partly because it's a better story than him joining up with a team that's already good.

 

Their owner is still terrible though. After Trout leaves they will be a mess.

[G-Snarls]

Imagine missing the playoffs with Trout and Ohtani.

 

Oh, they'd find a way...

[TheHurl]

What is everyone expecting from Ohtani? Like assuming healthy what fWAR is your expectation from him.

 

I have him around 3 as a pitcher and 1ish on offense.

[Dr. Dinger]

What is everyone expecting from Ohtani? Like assuming healthy what fWAR is your expectation from him.

 

I have him around 3 as a pitcher and 1ish on offense.

 

4.5 as a pitcher, 0.8 as a position player. Trade him to me. I'll take the pitcher, you can keep the hitter.

[BTS]

What is everyone expecting from Ohtani? Like assuming healthy what fWAR is your expectation from him.

 

I have him around 3 as a pitcher and 1ish on offense.

 

If you have him at 3 as a pitcher, we should talk in DDL

[jays4life19]

4.8 as a pitcher. 0.4 on offense.

[TheHurl]

Oh, they'd find a way...

 

I threw money on the Angels yesterday at 50-1 for WS and 27-1 for AL champ. A little health and Pujols being replacement level would have them projected top 4 offense

[Dr. Dinger]

If you have him at 3 as a pitcher, we should talk in DDL

 

Hmm actually, I may revise my estimate. I'd say 4.5 WAR/200 IP, however it's doubtful that he'll get near 200 IP in 2018.

[TheHurl]

If you have him at 3 as a pitcher, we should talk in DDL

 

I don't think he'll go over 160 IP next year so more like 2017 Robbie Ray than 2017 Gerrit Cole

[Captain Adama]

I can't imagine he'd hit more than 170 IP. The team that signs him will want to protect his arm.

 

3.2 WAR as a pitcher, 1.1 WAR as a hitter.

[Slade]

The hype around Japanese pitchers are insane. He won't hit over 200IP so probably 2.8 fWAR as a pitcher and 0.8 fWAR as a hitter.

[Abomination]

I have a feeling people are a little too optimistic on Ohtani (for next year at least). I'd suspect he'll be a lot closer to 2 WAR pitching and 0 WAR with the bat. I think he has the capability to progress towards the 3-4 WAR range, plus 1 with the bat though.

[saskjayfan]

I have a feeling people are a little too optimistic on Ohtani (for next year at least). I'd suspect he'll be a lot closer to 2 WAR pitching and 0 WAR with the bat. I think he has the capability to progress towards the 3-4 WAR range, plus 1 with the bat though.

 

Tanaka put up 3.1 wins in 136 innings in his first year. Darvish put up 4.6 wins in 191 innings in his first year. I think you're too pessimistic.

[Abomination]

Tanaka put up 3.1 wins in 136 innings in his first year. Darvish put up 4.6 wins in 191 innings in his first year. I think you're too pessimistic.

 

Those guys were also a lot more experienced when they came over, and weren't coming off a mostly lost season at age 22. It's certainly possible Ohtani dominates, but no one should be projecting that off the bat.

[saskjayfan]

Those guys were also a lot more experienced when they came over, and weren't coming off a mostly lost season at age 22. It's certainly possible Ohtani dominates, but no one should be projecting that off the bat.

 

He's 23. He's played professional baseball since he was 18. He's got big talent. Look at the Bumgarner, Strasburg even a guy like Cole let alone Kershaw. They were putting up good numbers at age 23. I bet most of the projections out there have him north of 2.

[metafour]

Those guys were also a lot more experienced when they came over, and weren't coming off a mostly lost season at age 22. It's certainly possible Ohtani dominates, but no one should be projecting that off the bat.

 

Aaron Sanchez put up 3.8 WAR at roughly the same age, and he was nowhere near as consistently dominant or impressive as Ohtani.

[Spanky99]

I have a feeling people are a little too optimistic on Ohtani (for next year at least). I'd suspect he'll be a lot closer to 2 WAR pitching and 0 WAR with the bat. I think he has the capability to progress towards the 3-4 WAR range, plus 1 with the bat though.

 

Have you watched video on this guy Abom? 2 fWAR is pretty light.

[43211234]

4.5 wins as a pitcher, -0.2 as a position player (But maybe 1.7 wins batting as a pitcher if he goes to the NL) Edited December 7, 2017 by 43211234

[baseballsss]

Aaron Sanchez put up 3.8 WAR at roughly the same age, and he was nowhere near as consistently dominant or impressive as Ohtani.

 

Sanchez had expirence pitching in the bigs though. Ohtani is still a wild card. Japan league is still lower than the MLB.