MiLB Recap April 24 2017

[King]

---

http://i.imgur.com/5cHuI5v.png

http://i.imgur.com/URwcqy7.png

http://i.imgur.com/a07Mbz7.png

---

http://i.imgur.com/oTQOLcF.png

http://i.imgur.com/OW5zktF.png

http://i.imgur.com/GQA1JLY.png

---

Kings 3 Stars of the Night

 

1) Edward Olivares

 

2) Bradley Jones

 

3) JB Woodman

 

 

Kings Platinum Arencibia

 

1) Christian Williams

 

---

[Ray]

What even is Bradley Jones

[P2F]

What even is Bradley Jones

He's a Reptilian, clearly.

[Terminator]

Arena isn't looking too good.

[Terminator]

What positions are considered strengths for our system and which are considered weak? I.e. what prospect positions would we might target if we hold a firesale at the deadline?

[Orgfiller]

What positions are considered strengths for our system and which are considered weak? I.e. what prospect positions would we might target if we hold a firesale at the deadline?

 

None, just get the best possible assets at any position if a firesale does occur. Most prospects will flame out anyways, might as well get the ones you think have the lowest chance of doing so or the ones with the highest potential, regardless of position.

[Orgfiller]

Arena isn't looking too good.

 

Ironically his walk rate is at an all-time high, while his strikeout rate is also higher than it's been before. It's like he completely changed his approach.

[Terminator]

None, just get the best possible assets at any position if a firesale does occur. Most prospects will flame out anyways, might as well get the ones you think have the lowest chance of doing so or the ones with the highest potential, regardless of position.

 

Yeah good point. I guess it could matter if they are on the cusp of the big leagues though right? If someone is offering a similar player to Tellez for Liriano or something we'd probably prefer a LF or something over another Tellez right?

 

Donaldson could net a HUGE haul for us. If Liriano and Estrada are dealing I feel like they could net us something solid as well depending on how many pitchers are on the trade market. With the extra savings we could then dip in to the Free Agent market and not be too bad next year. If we don't turn this around I'm leaning toward having a firesale.

[Grant77]

What positions are considered strengths for our system and which are considered weak? I.e. what prospect positions would we might target if we hold a firesale at the deadline?

 

Here's a quick list of our more legit guys off the top of my head and in no particular order.

 

C- McGuire, Jansen, Pentecost

1B- Tellez

2B- Biggio?

3B- Guerrero, Jones

SS- Urena, Gurriel, Bichette

OF- Alford, Smith, Ramirez, Woodman, Palacios

SP- Greene, Zeuch, SRF, Harris, Perdomo, Rios, Maese, Borucki

 

Many of those guys will switch positions so I don't know if we really have an obvious weak spot. Pitching is still the clear strength with Greene and Zeuch off to nice starts and a ton of depth. Just take the best players really.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah good point. I guess it could matter if they are on the cusp of the big leagues though right? If someone is offering a similar player to Tellez for Liriano or something we'd probably prefer a LF or something over another Tellez right?

 

Donaldson could net a HUGE haul for us. If Liriano and Estrada are dealing I feel like they could net us something solid as well depending on how many pitchers are on the trade market. With the extra savings we could then dip in to the Free Agent market and not be too bad next year. If we don't turn this around I'm leaning toward having a firesale.

 

Kinda sucks that this year is shaping to be more of a buyer's market. The White Sox will likely trade Quintana and Frazier which lessens the demand of the Jays potential trade offs. Also making matters worse is this could be a year where there are 6 clear division favs by the deadline. Like realistically are the Mets going to give up Conforto and Rosario for JD if they are 6 games out of the Division in July?

 

There is a ton of baseball to be played but we were forecasting into the future anyway..

[P2F]

Conforto is currently playing himself right off the table, if he ever even was on it.

[Angrioter]

Edward Olivares hit for cyclo

[Brownie19]

Based on the top of Grant's head - I'd say OF is pretty thin right now. Shortstop too (as I think Urena sucks and Bichette will end up at 3rd or 2nd) unless Gurriel can stick there.

 

I'd aim for the best player available in any trade, but finding our shortstop of the future sure would be nice.

[Brownie19]

Conforto is currently playing himself right off the table, if he ever even was on it.

 

I doubt he was ever one it. He's en fuego right now and should be one of the Mets building blocks for years to come.

[Terminator]

No way. If Donaldson is on the table Conforto certainly is.

[Brownie19]

No way. If Donaldson is on the table Conforto certainly is.

 

Oh well yeah. I thought we were talking about getting him on the cheap based on the perception that the Mets were perfectly willing to stunt his growth by platooning him and/or letting him rot on the bench.

[P2F]

No way. If Donaldson is on the table Conforto certainly is.

Benintendi wasn't even on the table in a Sale trade. By the time/if the Jays decide to deal Donaldson, Conforto will not be on the table at that point. Teams rarely, if ever, trade young hitters that have already shown an ability to hit at the major league level. I'd be very surprised if he was made available, even for Donaldson.

[John_Havok]

Benintendi wasn't even on the table in a Sale trade. By the time/if the Jays decide to deal Donaldson, Conforto will not be on the table at that point. Teams rarely, if ever, trade young hitters that have already shown an ability to hit at the major league level. I'd be very surprised if he was made available, even for Donaldson.

 

There was some kid named Moncada who was on the table. Had he not been in the system, Benintendi would be in Chicago right now

[Terminator]

Benintendi wasn't even on the table in a Sale trade. By the time/if the Jays decide to deal Donaldson, Conforto will not be on the table at that point. Teams rarely, if ever, trade young hitters that have already shown an ability to hit at the major league level. I'd be very surprised if he was made available, even for Donaldson.

 

They got the #1 overall prospect in Moncada. He's equivalent to if not better than Benitendi. Donaldson has less years of control than Sale obvi but he's better than Sale. When was the last time a top 5 player in baseball was traded? Donaldson will bring a massive haul. Maybe not Conforto but he'll bring in some top prospects for sure.

[P2F]

They got the #1 overall prospect in Moncada. He's equivalent to if not better than Benitendi. Donaldson has less years of control than Sale obvi but he's better than Sale. When was the last time a top 5 player in baseball was traded? Donaldson will bring a massive haul. Maybe not Conforto but he'll bring in some top prospects for sure.

Benintendi was the game's consensus #1 prospect going into the season. Also, the White Sox wanted Benintendi over Moncada, but he was not made available by the Red Sox.

 

http://nesn.com/2017/02/andrew-benintendi-reveals-how-close-he-came-to-being-traded-by-red-sox/

[Terminator]

Benintendi was the game's consensus #1 prospect going into the season. Also, the White Sox wanted Benintendi over Moncada, but he was not made available by the Red Sox.

 

http://nesn.com/2017/02/andrew-benintendi-reveals-how-close-he-came-to-being-traded-by-red-sox/

 

Gotcha. Well you might be right, maybe Donaldson doesn't net Conforto. But I think he would bring in a massive haul. And the Mets need a 3B and have extra OF. Conforto playing so well maybe puts a dent in that option but someone will pay through the nose for two postseason runs with Donaldson manning 3B. He could be the best player to hit the trade block in a long long time.

[Laika]

It's absurd to say that Conforto would be off the table for Donaldson.

 

A young player like Conforto is the necessary centrepiece if JD is ever traded

[P2F]

Gotcha. Well you might be right, maybe Donaldson doesn't net Conforto. But I think he would bring in a massive haul. And the Mets need a 3B and have extra OF. Conforto playing so well maybe puts a dent in that option but someone will pay through the nose for two postseason runs with Donaldson manning 3B. He could be the best player to hit the trade block in a long long time.

I don't disagree with you at all, I just think it's already too late on Conforto. He's already established that he belongs in the major leagues and as an above average player.

 

When/if it comes time to trade Donaldson, the Jays should be able to get a couple of guys that are Prospect Conforto, as well as some secondary and/or tertiary long-range bomb s***.

[Terminator]

It's absurd to say that Conforto would be off the table for Donaldson.

 

A young player like Conforto is the necessary centrepiece if JD is ever traded

 

That's what I'm saying! In a season and a half Donaldson probably isn't that out-WAR'd that much by Conforto in his 5.5 seasons anyway. For a contender with a talented yet risky pitching staff and a hole at 3B with extra OFers they'd give him up IMO. I can't even remember the last time when a consensus top 5 player was dealt. This is the best player by far that could be had and it isn't even close. Contenders would lineup to add him. Even if you have a 3 WAR player at 3B Donaldson adds 4 WAR on top of it. Every contender will be interested in him and it will only drive up the price.

[P2F]

You guys have convinced me. I'm looking forward to seeing Mr. Michael Conforto in a Blue Jays uniform in the coming months, or maybe even next year's deadline!

[John_Havok]

Benintendi was the game's consensus #1 prospect going into the season. Also, the White Sox wanted Benintendi over Moncada, but he was not made available by the Red Sox.

 

http://nesn.com/2017/02/andrew-benintendi-reveals-how-close-he-came-to-being-traded-by-red-sox/

 

And Moncada was best in baseball prior to 2016 season, and still top 2-5 at the end.

 

Point is, they had a luxury of having 2 top top prospects, and could therefore pick which one they didn't want to give up, and still trade a better prospect than 28 other teams.

 

If they didnt have Moncada as another top 2-5 prospect aside from Benintendi, they would have traded Benintendi, or they wouldn't have gotten Sale.

 

No prospect is untouchable when a top talent MLB player or pitcher is being traded for.

 

But I think you clarified your point as I was typing this, you feel Conforto is past the point of prospect status so he wouldn't be what the Mets want to part with, since he's proven to be more of a sure thing already. I can buy that as a valid stance despite that I disagree with it

[Jimcanuck]

Jays taking back David Wright contract is also worth quite a bit

[P2F]

I'm conceding. This is such an inefficient debate to have.

 

You guys win.

[Terminator]

I'm conceding. This such an inefficient debate to have.

 

You guys win.

 

Nah it's all good. That's what this board is about. I learn new s*** every day here.

[Laika]

I'm conceding. This is such an inefficient debate to have.

 

You guys win.

 

you lost!