Around Baseball 2017

[CanuckofChicago]

I don't pretend to have enough information to debate this, but most people would point to the reality that many criminals who are let back into society become repeat offenders (whether that's because of the situation we put them in - or simply because they are a moronic POS who don't deserve to be part of society). What % become repeat offenders? I don't know, but what % is too much? If there are 100 registered sex offenders and only 15% repeat - that's 15 more kids that are molested by some f***ing wacko. IMO, that's 15 more than we should ever allow....especially when the "upside" is to simply let 85 registered sex offenders back into society...

 

I'd say about 2 years ago now, a registered child molester, who's been convinced multiple times, who apparently said in court that if set free that he would molest again, was relocated from Saskatchewan to rural Ontario - some 15-20 minutes from my house. It's f***ing scary and creepy.

 

I can tell you that the recidivism rate here in Illinois is close to 40% and that is for non-violent offenders. This is mainly because there are real no programs for ex-offenders. You cannot get a job, you cannot get housing, you cannot get anything. The legal system down here is so screwed up. Americans love to incarcerate people and with Justice Department about to allow private prisons back into existence it is going to get worse. Check out the situation in Louisiana; http://atlantablackstar.com/2017/05/22/louisiana-world-leader-in-incarceration-cannot-pay-its-public-defenders/

[Maahfaace]

I don't get it either. This thread has turned into some kind of gross virtue signaling exercise about who is most against child molestation. Because, you know, some people are totally for it.

 

"If I saw this guy, I'd beat his face in! That's how much I'm against child molesters!"

 

I think it just sickens some people more than other I guess. I'm not trying to virtue signal, I'm the farthest thing from a saint. I just hate people who prey on the weak.

[Spanky__99]

Are you retarded? Of course you would. He's free, did nothing to provoke you and you assaulted him. I'd hope you would get charged for that, otherwise what kind of stupid society do we live in?

 

I was joking, meat. I'm not assaulting anyone, unless it were my family. There, you can get mad at that.

[Bobthe4th]

So the punishment for a crime isn't just the sentence you get, it's also, in some cases, a lifetime of poverty with no hope of seeing hard work and personal betterment? I realize that this is often true, but I don't understand it.

 

It's a common misconception that the initial sentence is the only punishment for offences. A criminal record negatively effects your life and career. Certain crimes (sex offences, serious felonies) effect it more than others.

 

It doesn't condem you to a terrible life, but it can prevent you from doing whatever you want.

[Spanky__99]

Plus the guy he ran over was 72 years old, he's pretty near ready to kick the bucket anyway.

 

lol

[Maahfaace]

It's a common misconception that the initial sentence is the only punishment for offences. A criminal record negatively effects your life and career. Certain crimes (sex offences, serious felonies) effect it more than others.

 

It doesn't condem you to a terrible life, but it can prevent you from doing whatever you want.

 

Consequences for awful decisions......that's life folks.

[Boxcar]

I think it just sickens some people more than other I guess. I'm not trying to virtue signal, I'm the farthest thing from a saint. I just hate people who prey on the weak.

 

You can simultaneously hate what he did and act like a goddamn human being and be willing to rehabilitate and reintegrate him into society. Unless you want the guy dead, the only thing you accomplish by ostracizing him and cutting off all job prospects is putting more kids at risk. It's absolutely silly that we take such a vengeful and unforgiving stance to make ourselves feel better, even at the expense of more victims.

[Boxcar]

I was joking, meat. I'm not assaulting anyone, unless it were my family. There, you can get mad at that.

 

You only assault your family?

[Boxcar]

I can tell you that the recidivism rate here in Illinois is close to 40% and that is for non-violent offenders. This is mainly because there are real no programs for ex-offenders. You cannot get a job, you cannot get housing, you cannot get anything. The legal system down here is so screwed up. Americans love to incarcerate people and with Justice Department about to allow private prisons back into existence it is going to get worse. Check out the situation in Louisiana; http://atlantablackstar.com/2017/05/22/louisiana-world-leader-in-incarceration-cannot-pay-its-public-defenders/

 

Holy f***, a voice of reason. Thank you.

[Bobthe4th]

Consequences for awful decisions......that's life folks.

 

Exactly, he can still live a happy, productive live and contribute to society. He just can't ever be a teacher, social worker etc and I'd argue he shouldn't be in professional sports either.

[BTS]

It's a common misconception that the initial sentence is the only punishment for offences. A criminal record negatively effects your life and career. Certain crimes (sex offences, serious felonies) effect it more than others.

 

It doesn't condem you to a terrible life, but it can prevent you from doing whatever you want.

 

I'm aware of the reality of the situation, I just thought pretty everyone considered it to be more of an unfortunate outcome than a desireable one. I think the current state does a lot more harm than good. Especially when the criminal was a young teenager at the time.

[Spanky__99]

You only assault your family?

 

Yes. You do understand my initial comment was hyperbole, right?

[Maahfaace]

You can simultaneously hate what he did and act like a goddamn human being and be willing to rehabilitate and reintegrate him into society. Unless you want the guy dead, the only thing you accomplish by ostracizing him and cutting off all job prospects is putting more kids at risk. It's absolutely silly that we take such a vengeful and unforgiving stance to make ourselves feel better, even at the expense of more victims.

 

This argument comes down to the penalties associated with such offences. Its quite obvious I'm on the side of sentences being way to lenient for this kind of offense. But everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

[Bobthe4th]

I'm aware of the reality of the situation, I just thought pretty everyone considered it to be more of an unfortunate outcome than a desireable one. I think the current state does a lot more harm than good. Especially when the criminal was a young teenager at the time.

 

Oh yeah there's lots of issues. For example there's instances of people registered as sex offenders for relatively minor crimes who will be treated the same as a more serious offender.

[Maahfaace]

You can simultaneously hate what he did and act like a goddamn human being and be willing to rehabilitate and reintegrate him into society. Unless you want the guy dead, the only thing you accomplish by ostracizing him and cutting off all job prospects is putting more kids at risk. It's absolutely silly that we take such a vengeful and unforgiving stance to make ourselves feel better, even at the expense of more victims.

 

This draws parallels of that narrative that Muslims who are fanatic are only so because of Westerners pushing them in that direction. I expect more from you Boxy

[CanuckofChicago]

Holy f***, a voice of reason. Thank you.

 

Thanks. If you want even more evidence of a screwed system the same people in some states who require a Public Defender have to pay a tax or fee when they are released.

I recommend you check out John Oliver's piece on the PD system. I can post evidence all-day that proves how ridiculous the system is. Remember what Winston Churchill said

 

"The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilisation of any country. A calm and dispassionate recognition of the rights of the accused against the state and even of convicted criminals against the state, a constant heart-searching by all charged with the duty of punishment, a desire and eagerness to rehabilitate in the world of industry of all those who have paid their dues in the hard coinage of punishment, tireless efforts towards the discovery of curative and regenerating processes and an unfaltering faith that there is a treasure, if only you can find it in the heart of every person – these are the symbols which in the treatment of crime and criminals mark and measure the stored up strength of a nation, and are the sign and proof of the living virtue in it."

[Boxcar]

This draws parallels of that narrative that Muslims who are fanatic are only so because of Westerners pushing them in that direction. I expect more from you Boxy

 

Lol no it doesn't at all. Actually I'll change this. What's the benefit to bombing the middle East? Destroying ISIS and other shitlord groups. What's the benefit to keeping Heimlich out of baseball? You and people like you feel good about yourselves. They are not comparable, at all, but apparently you mirror Spanky's thoughts on the matter as well. There's also something kinda missing here...some kind of unifying book that tells them to kill the enemies of Allah. Is there a child molester handbook I'm not aware of?

[Maahfaace]

Lol no it doesn't at all. Actually I'll change this. What's the benefit to bombing the middle East? Destroying ISIS and other shitlord groups. What's the benefit to keeping Heimlich out of baseball? You and people like you feel good about yourselves. They are not comparable, at all, but apparently you mirror Spanky's thoughts on the matter as well. There's also something kinda missing here...some kind of unifying book that tells them to kill the enemies of Allah. Is there a child molester handbook I'm not aware of?

 

I never said he should be kept out of baseball. But there are countless studies that show in most cases pedophilia isn't curable, it's just suppressed.

[Laika]

Ump in this afternoon game is just the straight up STAR of the show.

 

[Boxcar]

I never said he should be kept out of baseball. But they're are countless studies that show in most cases pedophilia isn't curable, it's just suppressed.

 

Yeah, that's because it's a mental condition. No one chooses to be sexually attracted to kids. You'd think that a life working hard in baseball would keep him busy and reduce the chances of him reoffending.

[Maahfaace]

Ump in this afternoon game is just the straight up STAR of the show.

 

 

Ya it's been tough to watch.

[HERPDERP]

see how much drama this guy has caused in this forum.

 

Now imagine if we drafted him and then called him up after a few years

[Boxcar]

Ump in this afternoon game is just the straight up STAR of the show.

 

 

Maybe his right eye doesn't work

[Laika]

Yeah, that's because it's a mental condition. No one chooses to be sexually attracted to kids. You'd think that a life working hard in baseball would keep him busy and reduce the chances of him reoffending.

 

No, with all that money he'd just buy more kids to raep. See: Subway Jared.

[Spanky__99]

Lol no it doesn't at all. Actually I'll change this. What's the benefit to bombing the middle East? Destroying ISIS and other shitlord groups. What's the benefit to keeping Heimlich out of baseball? You and people like you feel good about yourselves. They are not comparable, at all, but apparently you mirror Spanky's thoughts on the matter as well. There's also something kinda missing here...some kind of unifying book that tells them to kill the enemies of Allah. Is there a child molester handbook I'm not aware of?

 

Oh f*** off... bring this to OT if you need to keep blathering on and taking my hyperbolic comment so seriously. I believe in rehabilitation if you weren't paying attention.

[Spanky__99]

Ump in this afternoon game is just the straight up STAR of the show.

 

 

He's brutal.

[Boxcar]

No, with all that money he'd just buy more kids to raep. See: Subway Jared.

 

Eating Subway all the time requires a lot less effort than playing baseball as far as full time jobs go. I'd actually argue that eating Subway was a catalyst to Jared's crime since I can't imagine ever feeling satisfied after eating one of their s***** sandwiches.

[Maahfaace]

Yeah, that's because it's a mental condition. No one chooses to be sexually attracted to kids. You'd think that a life working hard in baseball would keep him busy and reduce the chances of him reoffending.

 

You might not choose to be attracted to kids, although thats probably debatable. But you most definitely make a choice to abuse them.

[Bobthe4th]

see how much drama this guy has caused in this forum.

 

Now imagine if we drafted him and then called him up after a few years

 

Haha, true.

 

Apart from fans and the media, imagine the reaction from the players with him joining a MLB clubhouse where half the players have young kids.

[Boxcar]

You might not choose to be attracted to kids, although thats probably debatable. But you most definitely make a choice to abuse them.

 

I agree, and I'd hope that he sees the consequences of his actions and learns from them.