Yanks get chapman fuck me

[L54]

Wow - you got the stats and the statement wrong in the same post. New WPOTY candidate.

 

I'd like to point out that every single time someone makes a mistake calling them out as a WPOTY candidate is pretty childish. And really, what was wrong with his post? He asked a question that he didn't know the answer to. Newsflash- that's how people learn.

[Brownie19]

I'd like to point out that every single time someone makes a mistake calling them out as a WPOTY candidate is pretty childish. And really, what was wrong with his post? He asked a question that he didn't know the answer to. Newsflash- that's how people learn.

 

The first sentence had a whole lot of wrong in it. I have no problem with the question.

[SweetSmellingChacin]

Yankees finished 84-78. They probably finish like 75-87 without Betances-Chapman-Miller. You weren't necessarily doing this, but I hate when people use them missing the playoffs as an argument against the effectiveness of a stacked bullpen.

 

It's not a question about missing the playoffs, it's about whether a team like the Yanks are better off using that 85 million on something other than a guy who will give them ~2 innings every 3 games.

[HERPDERP]

What is interesting though, is that the Jays bullpen was absolutely fine. Jays lost all their games in the early innings when they didn't hit mediocre starters.

 

In my opinion the reliever thing is over-rated. There is still more than one way to skin a cat. Improve the early inning offense and Jays are in the world series

 

Well we also lost plenty of games early on in the season when Storen/Chavez/Cecil were f***ing up in the first half.

 

We were also very lucky that Biagini came out of nowhere and the scrap heap acquisitions of Grilli and Benoit worked out better than expected.

[HERPDERP]

[xposbrad]

Wow - you got the stats and the statement wrong in the same post. New WPOTY candidate.

 

I see 1.1 WAR on baseball-reference also, fangraphs though has him 2.7

[Jonn]

 

Makes you wonder why the Marlins wouldn't have pushed it to 90.

[RealAccountant]

Interesting if anyone saw Shaprio's interview on Tim and Sid yesterday, but they asked him a few good questions. He said the reliever market used to be a loophole that is no longer there, and the prices reflect their worth now.

 

So anyone looking at Chapman's FG war total and saying well this is good for the Jays!, don't realaize Chapman is worth much more.

 

How is he worth more ?

[RealAccountant]

Yankees had 3 of the top 5 relievers last year and they only got decent after they traded them

[Governator]

Makes you wonder why the Marlins wouldn't have pushed it to 90.

 

Already a tax free state, there would have been a decent gap in $.

[crmr]

Wow - you got the stats and the statement wrong in the same post. New WPOTY candidate.

 

I tend to come and go from the forum, and it's posts like these that remind me why this isn't a great place for baseball discussion.

 

I think your post is a better candidate, honestly. You offered nothing.

[Brownie19]

I tend to come and go from the forum, and it's posts like these that remind me why this isn't a great place for baseball discussion.

 

I think your post is a better candidate, honestly. You offered nothing.

 

Oh relax. If you want to head back to facebook and reddit for baseball discussions - be my guest.

[crmr]

Oh relax. If you want to head back to facebook and reddit for baseball discussions - be my guest.

 

Or any number of forums that ban guys like you? No good posts in your history. Why bother being here? You'd be better to just read than post

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Binge and purge .... repeat repeat repeat!!!

 

Oh well .....

[Jonn]

Already a tax free state, there would have been a decent gap in $.

 

Exactly. Apparently the Marlins wanted Kenley Jansen more though.

[Brownie19]

I see 1.1 WAR on baseball-reference also, fangraphs though has him 2.7

 

You need to add his WAR with Chicago (1.1) to his WAR in NY (1.4). BTW - baseball-reference a terrible website. Good god.

 

 

Appears I've ruffled some feathers. That's not my intent. Apologies to Key22 and crmr. I'll go sit in the corner now.

[Driveof85]

Surprise! The yanks are acting like a big market team. Would be nice if we followed suit (to a lesser degree as our market is smaller) rather than act like the Rays

 

Agreed. I'm so disappointed in this offseason. So basically Smoak's contract is preventing the resigning of EE? What a load of crap. Put Pearce in LF, Edwin at 1B and Morales at DH. This is an improvement upon last year. I can't help but feel the Jays are getting worse while everyone else is improving.

[Bobthe4th]

Agreed. I'm so disappointed in this offseason. So basically Smoak's contract is preventing the resigning of EE? What a load of crap. Put Pearce in LF, Edwin at 1B and Morales at DH. This is an improvement upon last year. I can't help but feel the Jays are getting worse while everyone else is improving.

 

The signing of Morales has a bigger impact than Smoak being on the roster.

 

It doesn't make much sense to have 2 1B/DH types who should both be mainly DH'ing, and spending $30m+ on them when we're looking to add a decent OF stretches the budget to breaking point.

 

And that's just for this season, what do you do in year 2 and 3 when EE and Morales may well be exclusively DH's?

[Bobthe4th]

And I know it's been pointed out before, but there's a long way to go before spring training starts.

[G-Snarls]

And I know it's been pointed out before, but there's a long way to go before spring training starts.

 

And they supposedly have 25 million bucks in their pocket to spend

 

Blowing most of that on Chapman would not have made sense

[Dr. Dinger]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a good deal for the Yanks? Y'all iz dumn.

 

They are basically paying Chapman for 9.5 WAR over 5 years, without factoring in inflation. He's had 2.5+ WAR in 3 straight years, and by the end of this deal, 1 WAR will probably be worth around $11-12M. The people who think this is a dumb contract probably thought the same about the Andrew Miller deal.

 

[TABLE=width: 348]

[TR]

[TD]Year[/TD]

[TD]WAR[/TD]

[TD]Proj $/WAR[/TD]

[TD] Value[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2017[/TD]

[TD]2.7[/TD]

[TD]$9,000,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$24,300,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2018[/TD]

[TD]2.3[/TD]

[TD]$9,500,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$21,850,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2019[/TD]

[TD]2[/TD]

[TD]$10,000,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$20,000,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2020[/TD]

[TD]1.7[/TD]

[TD]$10,500,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$17,850,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2021[/TD]

[TD]1.5[/TD]

[TD]$11,000,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$16,500,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Totes val =[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$100,500,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

 

He'll probably be worth $100M over the deal even if he starts declining right away. We have seen $/WAR jump almost 50% in the last 3-4 years, inflation is rampant.

[BTS]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a good deal for the Yanks? Y'all iz dumn.

 

I think it's fine. The actual impact of Chapman in 2017 is probably 3-4 wins, + an uptick in value in the playoffs. You would expect him to be worth like 48-64M in the first two years of the deal alone if his skills remain static in the short term.

[Dr. Dinger]

And TBH I think those projected WARz are conservative with a pitcher this elite, not to mention he'll be easily tradeable.

[BTS]

And TBH I think those projected WARz are conservative with a pitcher this elite, not to mention he'll be easily tradeable.

 

Projected WAR is probably like 2-2.5. I was adding another win or 2 to account for the elite performance in high leverage spots.

 

It would be interesting to see how various teams go about assigning value to guys like that. I basically just do a vague mental adjustment upwards from a WAR projection.

[Dr. Dinger]

Projected WAR is probably like 2-2.5. I was adding another win or 2 to account for the elite performance in high leverage spots.

 

It would be interesting to see how various teams go about assigning value to guys like that. I basically just do a vague mental adjustment upwards from a WAR projection.

 

Yeah and honestly, elite relievers like this really make hay in the playoffs, as we saw. 2.5 WAR in the reg season is great, but having Chapman/Miller/Jansen/Betances/Britton for a playoff run is almost priceless.

[BTS]

Yeah and honestly, elite relievers like this really make hay in the playoffs, as we saw. 2.5 WAR in the reg season is great, but having Chapman/Miller/Jansen/Betances/Britton for a playoff run is almost priceless.

 

Only if you're not Buck Showalter.

[Terminator]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a good deal for the Yanks? Y'all iz dumn.

 

They are basically paying Chapman for 9.5 WAR over 5 years, without factoring in inflation. He's had 2.5+ WAR in 3 straight years, and by the end of this deal, 1 WAR will probably be worth around $11-12M. The people who think this is a dumb contract probably thought the same about the Andrew Miller deal.

 

[TABLE=width: 348]

[TR]

[TD]Year[/TD]

[TD]WAR[/TD]

[TD]Proj $/WAR[/TD]

[TD] Value[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2017[/TD]

[TD]2.7[/TD]

[TD]$9,000,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$24,300,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2018[/TD]

[TD]2.3[/TD]

[TD]$9,500,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$21,850,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2019[/TD]

[TD]2[/TD]

[TD]$10,000,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$20,000,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2020[/TD]

[TD]1.7[/TD]

[TD]$10,500,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$17,850,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2021[/TD]

[TD]1.5[/TD]

[TD]$11,000,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$16,500,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Totes val =[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$100,500,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

 

He'll probably be worth $100M over the deal even if he starts declining right away. We have seen $/WAR jump almost 50% in the last 3-4 years, inflation is rampant.

 

Nice table!

 

On top of your points there are probably 4 or 5 elite relievers like this so its rare to see one hit the open market, this year there just happens to be 2 or 3 depending on one's opinion. So even though the Yanks are a fringey WC team they won't have such an easy time acquiring an elite reliever like this again. Might as well grab him now. I think it's a good deal for the Yanks. I wish the Jays would have offered him slightly more.

[burlingtonbandit]

And TBH I think those projected WARz are conservative with a pitcher this elite, not to mention he'll be easily tradeable.

 

He has a Full NTC so you lose a lot of value on that. The final 2 years it is limited but I think I read he can't be traded to any team in California.

[fatcowxlive]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a good deal for the Yanks? Y'all iz dumn.

 

They are basically paying Chapman for 9.5 WAR over 5 years, without factoring in inflation. He's had 2.5+ WAR in 3 straight years, and by the end of this deal, 1 WAR will probably be worth around $11-12M. The people who think this is a dumb contract probably thought the same about the Andrew Miller deal.

 

I think when you break it down more people will agree. I think most people are hating on the deal because it's big money for a "relief pitcher". The value of relief pitching is at its all time high, and it's getting higher and higher year by year, this contract is just the first of many in that price range.

[TheHurl]

You need to add his WAR with Chicago (1.1) to his WAR in NY (1.4). BTW - baseball-reference a terrible website. Good god.

 

 

Appears I've ruffled some feathers. That's not my intent. Apologies to Key22 and crmr. I'll go sit in the corner now.

 

Educating the less informed in the end. That's why z3r0s is your biggest fan.