Implosion/Explosion End of Jays 2016

[STLJaysFan]

I'm from the "Show Me State", you've got to show me proof!!! Hahaha!!!

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Ortiz is the most obvious steroid case since Barry Bonds. He's already failed a drug test in his career. He used to do an annual routine of vehemently denying that he uses steroids before every season, and it seemed like he was protesting too much. Anyone who thinks this run he's on at age 40 is clean is just lying to themselves.

[STLJaysFan]

Ortiz is the most obvious steroid case since Barry Bonds. He's already failed a drug test in his career. He used to do an annual routine of vehemently denying that he uses steroids before every season, and it seemed like he was protesting too much. Anyone who thinks this run he's on at age 40 is clean is just lying to themselves.

 

THIS!!! Thanks for common sense!

[GD]

I have no proof, but I would like to see proof that he's not on steroids. If Ortiz played in a different market, the suspicions would be talked about more.

 

I'm from the "Show Me State", you've got to show me proof!!! Hahaha!!!

 

not how the burden of proof works

 

!!!

[STLJaysFan]

I have nothing against Ortiz personally, it's just that I dislike Boston so much and I don't want to see them get away with something JUST because they're Boston. And since the Blue Jays are in the same division, I just want to make sure that Boston is winning the division fair and square and not being helped by mlb.

 

I read that the Mitchell guy who created the Mitchell report was affiliated with the Red Sox, and conveniently didn't include big name players like Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz....hmmmm....

[King]

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[STLJaysFan]

We're supposed to be talking Blue Jays, so I'll end it with this. Rafael Palmeiro vehemently denied using performance-enhancing drugs in front of Congress, and then a few months later, it was revealed to the public that he had in fact tested positive.

 

MLB already knew before the congressional hearings that Palmeiro had tested positive, but agreed to cover for him if he went in front of Congress and put on a show with his nonsense denials to make Jose Canseco look like a lying idiot with no credibility.

 

But after the hearings, MLB was forced to reveal the results of these tests, and wouldn't you know it, Rafael's name was on the list! He didn't JUST start using performance-enhancing drugs after the hearings, he was doing it all along and MLB had his back amongst other players.

 

Canseco was being black-balled from the game, but when all of the allegations that he made about players doing steroids ended up being proven true, MLB looked like the idiot and Canseco was considered the hero.

 

He may never get into the Hall of Fame himself, but Canseco got the last laugh, that's for sure! As far as Ortiz goes, MLB would have no problems covering up his steroid-use during his final season just like they did with players in the past. Ortiz claims he's never failed a test, but as we know from Palmeiro and McGwire, you can't take a players word for it. Sure, MLB has probably tested Ortiz this season, but are keeping the results under lock and key for the sake of his swan song.

 

We all know MLB is crooked, just look at the umpiring crew they jot out every night, so it should come as no surprise that MLB still has favourtism towards which players they allow to cheat and which ones they throw the book at.

[Angrioter]

Lose next 2 games is better for us. Menos dolor

[Olerud363]

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That still looks like an explosion to me....

[jaysblue]

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[Plat]

Damn what a free fall, i agree though it might be better in the long run for the jays not to make the post season IF Gibbons gets canned.

[Krylian]

Agreed. Gibbons getting canned will ignite the offense and tighten that bullpen right up.

[y2j44]

Agreed. Gibbons getting canned will ignite the offense and tighten that bullpen right up.

 

Look at 2008 season for the proof that a manager/coaches make a difference. Or you can look at the 1000s of other examples through sports history

[jaysblue]

If they miss the postseason, there is no way Gibbons is back in 2017 (even if this collapse isn't entirely his fault). Its just how things work in sports. Someone takes the blame.

[Olerud363]

Look at 2008 season for the proof that a manager/coaches make a difference. Or you can look at the 1000s of other examples through sports history

 

Yes, that genius Cito Gaston sure did a fine job in 2009 -- mutiny

 

The only thing I don't like about Gibbons is his bullpen use. It would be nice to develop a deeper bullpen... and it seems that he has a "one and done" system for new relievers... the moment they mess up a couple games they are gone.

 

Osuna rose to closer, just because he didn't mess up until September, but reverse his Septembers and Aprils and Osuna is starting in Buffalo (not a bad thing)

 

ahhh.. so anyway, my main gripe with Gibbons, is that he hasn't been able to turn guys like Danny Barnes and Shultz into good relievers... because they suck??? Or because he gives up on them to early.

[KingKat]

 

The only thing I don't like about Gibbons is his bullpen use.

 

You have no problem with his faith in Navarro's bat? Navarro currently has a lower OPS than... JOSH THOLE!

[KingKat]

If they miss the postseason, there is no way Gibbons is back in 2017 (even if this collapse isn't entirely his fault). Its just how things work in sports. Someone takes the blame.

 

Using a different hitter than Navarro doesn't guarantee anything but it's such a dumb, low percentage play that it's more than enough to have me fed up. It's kind of the last straw for me. The evidence that Navarro can't hit is overwhelming and I've just had it with someone who can't parse such basic information. If they lose, they lose but I don't want them go down pinning their last hopes on one of their worst hitters. It just adds insult to injury. Is the collapse Gibby's fault? Hardly. Is he blameless? No.

[Captain Adama]

Using a different hitter than Navarro doesn't guarantee anything but it's such a dumb, low percentage play that it's more than enough to have me fed up. It's kind of the last straw for me. The evidence that Navarro can't hit is overwhelming and I've just had it with someone who can't parse such basic information. If they lose, they lose but I don't want them go down pinning their last hopes on one of their worst hitters. It just adds insult to injury. Is the collapse Gibby's fault? Hardly. Is he blameless? No.

 

I find it funny he'll ride the hot bat in Carrera but won't do the same with Cecil.

[Olerud363]

You have no problem with his faith in Navarro's bat? Navarro currently has a lower OPS than... JOSH THOLE!

 

It's not glaring give the other options. Smoak has been bad, and I give him the benefit of doubt that there is something we don't know about Saunders, like an injury.

 

It's not idea either.

[KingKat]

I find it funny he'll ride the hot bat in Carrera but won't do the same with Cecil.

 

He pinch hit Navarro for Carrera the other day so his faith in the hot bat has it's limit, it's not as much faith as he has in Navarro.

[KingKat]

Smoak has been bad

 

 

Sure Smoak has been bad but if you have no faith in Smoak why would you have faith in Navarro. As bad as Smoak has been, he's unquestionably been better than Navarro. Which says a lot about what a terrible bat Navarro is.

 

Consider for a moment how little faith you have in Smoak getting on base and then consider that Smoak has 64 points of OBP on Navarro. And if you're thining well maybe Navarro can just put a charge in to one. Navarro has a 182 slugging percentage. That's over 200 points below Smoak and Smoak is having a bad season! I don't think the extent of Navarro's offensive ineptitude has really sunk in for most people. He is the rope with which Gibby is hanging himself.

[STLJaysFan]

I guess Pompey and Ceciliani are farther down in the pecking order for pinch-hitting roles than Navarro. It would be nice if the entire lineup was altered for tonight's game. Never understood why Martin is hitting behind the cleanup spot and Tulowitzki below him.

[Olerud363]

An implosion/explosion thread makes no sense without explosion... I swear to got there will still be one more explosion... by god there must be.

 

I told you there would be more explosion... I am not a negative poster, just a little over the top either way... it was a crazy 8 game cycle Friday Saturday, 4 implosive events, followed by 4 explosive events. Chances of 4 of either are ~ 1/16 in a day.

 

IIIIEEEE

 

I was at Fenway Park for game 161, and 162... game 161 was the best game I've ever been too live.

 

1. Implosion showed small signs of ending while I was eating supper at Pizzerio Uno. Yankees started coming back and finished while I was walking to the park.

2. It was not raining, it was misting. It misted for about 48 hours straight.

3. Sat way up in the bleachers... apparently they put a lot of Jays fans up there. 80% Jays fans in our section.

4. Really funny guys, one guy kept yelling "Let us win, it's our last game here before Trumrp builds the wall"

5. Some other nice Jays fans bought everyone hot dogs and icecream.

6. Tying run comes in a balk?? WTF??

7. Nice job by Cabrerra to get the winning run in. My Dad (very typical casual) says "that guy Cabrerra is showing some potential, where'd they get him from".

[Olerud363]

Game 162 was cool, not as good as 161, partly because we had better seats and not as many Jays fans around.

 

I checked stubub in the morning expecting tickets to be ridiculous (Big Papi goodbye day-3)... but they were cheaper than a month ago. I checked again at 1:00 before planning to leave Boston, and they were cheaper again... so got seats behind first base, for cheaper than the 40th row of bleachers the night before.

 

Another great game, Sanchez was hitting 97 routinely and looked awesome. Bautista is really slow, on the Tulo double my wife was like "is he getting in", I was like "of course", then "umm... maybe not".

 

Travis homerun was just a warning track fly ball in another park... Ramirez homerun was majestic... no clue if it was fair or foul but it was like a missile hit into the fog. Tulo's hit was big.

 

It is crazy watching the out of town score board in Boston... Some of the scores seem to be changed from behind the monster, but the National League score, including Atlanta/Detroit had to be changed from outside. So between innings a guy comes out and changes them... I'm like holding my breath hoping he doesn't change the '0' in front of Detrois **.. finally when the scores go final they take off the "inning" and it's blank... so that happens and I realize we got the wild card... tension down a bit, now it's just for homefield.

 

Crowd goes crazy for Papi's final at bat.. I am like "He's coming back next week, wouldn't you rather he hit 3 homers against Cleveland??". Hit's a squibber. A little tension from Osuna but it works out...

 

Organist plays "On the Road again", after game (Boston lost HFA), nice touch. Jays celebrate, good job. Hopefully more bush party to come (for Jays and Kawasaki so they can meet again).

[Stangstag]

Game 162 was cool, not as good as 161, partly because we had better seats and not as many Jays fans around.

 

I checked stubub in the morning expecting tickets to be ridiculous (Big Papi goodbye day-3)... but they were cheaper than a month ago. I checked again at 1:00 before planning to leave Boston, and they were cheaper again... so got seats behind first base, for cheaper than the 40th row of bleachers the night before.

 

Another great game, Sanchez was hitting 97 routinely and looked awesome. Bautista is really slow, on the Tulo double my wife was like "is he getting in", I was like "of course", then "umm... maybe not".

 

Travis homerun was just a warning track fly ball in another park... Ramirez homerun was majestic... no clue if it was fair or foul but it was like a missile hit into the fog. Tulo's hit was big.

 

It is crazy watching the out of town score board in Boston... Some of the scores seem to be changed from behind the monster, but the National League score, including Atlanta/Detroit had to be changed from outside. So between innings a guy comes out and changes them... I'm like holding my breath hoping he doesn't change the '0' in front of Detrois **.. finally when the scores go final they take off the "inning" and it's blank... so that happens and I realize we got the wild card... tension down a bit, now it's just for homefield.

 

Crowd goes crazy for Papi's final at bat.. I am like "He's coming back next week, wouldn't you rather he hit 3 homers against Cleveland??". Hit's a squibber. A little tension from Osuna but it works out...

 

Organist plays "On the Road again", after game (Boston lost HFA), nice touch. Jays celebrate, good job. Hopefully more bush party to come (for Jays and Kawasaki so they can meet again).

 

Oh ********.

[Olerud363]

Oh ********.

 

I just looked at the video... and the Travis homer looked harder hit on video, then it did in real life.

 

Keep in mind it is only 310 down the line in Fenway, and that ball went into the second row. On second thought it probably was a homerun in another park.. but in real life it did not seem hard hit at all, it just floated out there.

 

Stats cast has it at 350...

 

Ramirez homerun at 388 --

 

I could buy that Travis' was 350... but I can't believe Ramirez home run was only 388. It looked like it went over everything...

[admin]

I'll say this again. There should be no excuses as to why this team's pinch hit option is ever Navarro. The Orioles got Pearce for almost nothing. Should have bene able to find someone that could hit over .200.

[Spanky99]

I'll say this again. There should be no excuses as to why this team's pinch hit option is ever Navarro. The Orioles got Pearce for almost nothing. Should have bene able to find someone that could hit over .200.

 

They picked up Navarro off the scrap heap, in case Martin were to get injured, he knows the staff, etc, I don't think it was for his bat, it was to catch. Seeing him PH over others on the bench is confusing though.

[Governator]

I'll say this again. There should be no excuses as to why this team's pinch hit option is ever Navarro. The Orioles got Pearce for almost nothing. Should have bene able to find someone that could hit over .200.

 

They did in Upton...

 

They didn't pick him up Navarro for his bat, he's an overall better player than Thole for the postseason. It was a back up catcher upgrade, whether Gibbons decides to use him as a PH in the game is kind of out of Atkins control though I agree Gibbons' love for him just need to stop. Navarro should only see action if Martin gets on base in extras with none out and Pompey is used as the pinch runner.

[admin]

They did in Upton...

 

They didn't pick him up Navarro for his bat, he's an overall better player than Thole for the postseason. It was a back up catcher upgrade, whether Gibbons decides to use him as a PH in the game is kind of out of Atkins control though I agree Gibbons' love for him just need to stop. Navarro should only see action if Martin gets on base in extras with none out and Pompey is used as the pinch runner.

 

He's a minor upgrade over Thole. But yeah, that's the only time he should be used, like you mentioned. Upton was obviously more disappointing than we expected. We were one game back at the time. How do you not make a cheap upgrade in that area.