Nationals have inquired about Bautista

[The Cats Ass]

How crazy would it be if we traded Bautista now to the Nationals, then we met the Nationals in the World Series!!!!

 

That'd be NUTS!!!

 

And then we go on to win the series in game 7 with the help of a Giolito shutout.

 

I feel all the casuals would then be saying Bautista who?

[Brownie19]

Coming from the guy who thinks Jose's antics have never been seen before lol.

 

Listen bud - he's one of the biggest complainers (to umpires) in the league. That's fact. If you remove his manhood from the base of your throat for a moment and/or if you ever played baseball, you'd realise the whining his displays at the plate is bad for the team and the game. That's one the leading reasons why he's widely considered a douche. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand this (or the self control to resist it). It's a pretty common characteristic in the hot head / egotistical jackass types.

[The Cats Ass]

Very likely yes, just stating there are no absolutes.

 

There are many fans who would atually want Jose to be resigned at 5/150 too just because of the very same optics and fuzzy feelings that bat flip HR gave them, yet retaining him at that number would be completely stupid.

 

Trading him now for anything less than a massive overpay would be equally as stupid.

 

Does Bautista actually feel he's worth that kind of money going forward? Or is he just asking for that much because he feels a little hurt that he's been playing for us the past 6 years making only about 50% of what he was worth.

[KingKat]

Listen bud - he's one of the biggest complainers (to umpires) in the league. That's fact. If you remove his manhood from the base of your throat for a moment and/or if you ever played baseball, you'd realise the whining his displays at the plate is bad for the team and the game. That's one the leading reasons why he's widely considered a douche. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand this (or the self control to resist it). It's a pretty common characteristic in the hot head / egotistical jackass types.

 

Anyone else see irony here?

[polar bear]

Listen bud - he's one of the biggest complainers (to umpires) in the league. That's fact. If you remove his manhood from the base of your throat for a moment and/or if you ever played baseball, you'd realise the whining his displays at the plate is bad for the team and the game. That's one the leading reasons why he's widely considered a douche. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand this (or the self control to resist it). It's a pretty common characteristic in the hot head / egotistical jackass types.

 

Well said sir,my feelings exactly.

[Dr. Dinger]

Exactly. And like someone mentioned, maybe they told Jose he'll be DHing for most of the season and he's pissed about it. In Washington he'd be playing field everyday. His value will go down if he's DHing the rest of the way vs everyday outfielder.

 

I'm not so sure it will affect his value one way or the other. Him playing a s***** RF for the rest of the season isn't going to convince any teams that he can still hack it out there. Any team that has him on their FA radar is continually scouting his defense, rest assured. Conversely, staying healthy and rested by DHing may help him put up better stats, which could actually increase his value in the eyes of the teams who see him for what he really is: a power-hitting DH who can occasionally sub in the OF and maybe 1B. I think it's very unlikely any NL team is going to sign him for more than 3 years no matter what happens from here through October.

[jaysblue]

I'm not so sure it will affect his value one way or the other. Him playing a s***** RF for the rest of the season isn't going to convince any teams that he can still hack it out there. Any team that has him on their FA radar is continually scouting his defense, rest assured. Conversely, staying healthy and rested by DHing may help him put up better stats, which could actually increase his value in the eyes of the teams who see him for what he really is: a power-hitting DH who can occasionally sub in the OF and maybe 1B. I think it's very unlikely any NL team is going to sign him for more than 3 years no matter what happens from here through October.

 

You still see a Carlos Beltran/Victor Martinez type deal as the max he could get?

[Dr. Dinger]

You still see a Carlos Beltran/Victor Martinez type deal as the max he could get?

 

VMart is a good comparable, I would think. Given the inflation since 2014, I'd say something like 4/$80M to 4/$90M is about right. I don't see any teams going beyond 4 years for him, and probably few will be willing to go beyond 3. I would be pretty surprised if he broke past $100M at this point, this season has not been very kind to his earning potential.

[John_Havok]

Does Bautista actually feel he's worth that kind of money going forward? Or is he just asking for that much because he feels a little hurt that he's been playing for us the past 6 years making only about 50% of what he was worth.

 

I don't think he feels hurt.... just wants to get some of that cash it turns out he left on the hindsight table.

 

That's how sports used to be, and still are to a decent degree. You play your best years for far less than your value because youre young, then get paid way more than your value when you're a free agent because now you're a proven veteran, but you still have a few really good years left before taking a headlong dive off the cliff.

 

Problem is, Jose got to the party way later than the typical player and the cliff is far closer.

[Brownie19]

Anyone else see irony here?

 

It's the only logical explanation as to why someone would support Jose's antics with umpires

[dineke]

Listen bud - he's one of the biggest complainers (to umpires) in the league. That's fact. If you remove his manhood from the base of your throat for a moment and/or if you ever played baseball, you'd realise the whining his displays at the plate is bad for the team and the game. That's one the leading reasons why he's widely considered a douche. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand this (or the self control to resist it). It's a pretty common characteristic in the hot head / egotistical jackass types.

 

I know that when you played in your peewee league that you had to respect your umpires or endure a spanking by your parent, but we're talking about the major leagues here where everyone argues with umpires. Jose might do it more than most but he's not the worst offender in the history of baseball or even present day.

[John_Havok]

VMart is a good comparable, I would think. Given the inflation since 2014, I'd say something like 4/$80M to 4/$90M is about right. I don't see any teams going beyond 4 years for him, and probably few will be willing to go beyond 3. I would be pretty surprised if he broke past $100M at this point, this season has not been very kind to his earning potential.

 

Yeah VMart is about the perfect comparable. Their situations are nearly identical

[Deadpool]

See, the article and everyone in this thread has missed the obvious solution. We trade Bautista FOR Harper. It's the classic challenge trade, and should work out well for both teams.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Teams are just tire kicking. Part of the process. I have no doubt Shapiro would try and get Jose to waive NTC if he thought it was the right move for the right haul now. But I see no scenario where that happens. I fully expect Jose to get hot; play lousy RF and do a lot to help us win this Division this year. Looking forward to it.

 

And I'm looking forward to him wearing a different uniform next year if he expects to continue being pencilled in RF for the remainder of his career and receiving more than 10m per year in his contract demands.

[L54]

And I'm looking forward to him wearing a different uniform next year if he expects to continue being pencilled in RF for the remainder of his career and receiving more than 10m per year in his contract demands.

 

I would let him play RF for 11M a year.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Maybe two prospects in the 50-100 range. Nobody is giving up an A prospect, whatever you define that as, for 2 months of Bautista. Price (unquestionably worth more than Bautista) basically took only Norris to get. Obviously markets change every year but you'd be pretty shortsighted to give up any top prospect for him.

 

Remember when we gave up Jeff Kent for a David Cone rental?

 

Good times.

[Cyborg]

And I'm looking forward to him wearing a different uniform next year if he expects to continue being pencilled in RF for the remainder of his career and receiving more than 10m per year in his contract demands.

$10M? Id easily pay him more than that.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Marketing is a thing

 

So when Johnny Mac hit the HR after his Dad passed = most valuable player in baseball?

 

Opportunity missed....ugh

[John_Havok]

Remember when we gave up Jeff Kent for a David Cone rental?

 

Good times.

 

Well... a world series did happen so it's hard to be that upset over it. If you're never willing to move quality for quality...you better have the perfect farm system. No team in baseball has that

[CJ-Freeway]

how the f*** does that make the team better?

 

Turner is a beast, that's how. He can play in the OF. But whatever, I wasn't being serious anyways-- hence my "video game" comment.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I suspect most bandwagon/causal fans would say Donaldson as often as they would Bautista. Winning the MVP will do that. New topic - who gives a F about the casual fan. Marketing people might, but the day the FO gives 2 shits about what the casual fan (who complains the referee is s***) is the day they should resign.

 

A casual fans opinion on baseball moves = Homer Simpson designing a dream car

 

A complete and utter failure.

[GeorgiaPeach]

So what's the difference if he leaves now or in 2.5 months?

 

Maybe a slightly better chance to advance further in the playoffs, opposed to trading him for a younger, better cheaper kid and having a bunch of better chances in the next few years.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I don't personally give a s*** if he stays or goes, I'm just pointing out that as long as he's a Jay he will be seen as the face of our franchise.

 

Just like Jeter. And this fan base laughed at the Yankees as he declined.

 

The fans can't have it both ways.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Lol @ this topic. Even suggesting a trade would make our front office look like a bunch of tools. You can't treat one of the greatest players in franchise history like that. It'll severely damage our relationships with other players moving forward as well (I.e. Negotiating with JD for a long term deal). Star players get star treatment. That's life. If you want to completely torpedo our clubhouse morale... then ask him to waive his 10/5 rights.

 

But then again the human aspect of things is completely irrelevant right? These guys are robots and don't have emotions/loyalties. Ridiculous.

 

I agree trading Jose COULD have negative spin-offs. Conversely if you win the trade maybe the current roster likes what the FO did and decides to extend.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Exactly

 

You just add and subtract projected WAR in order to win 89 games, under budget. People don't matter.

 

Maybe nobody should be traded, because friendships

[GeorgiaPeach]

It's so moot. People want to trade him because he's not as good anymore but that's also why you're unlikely to get anything of value back. You can't pine for him to be traded because of how bad he is in 2016 while expecting a Bautista 2014 return. ECJF is right. Whatever return you would get isn't even close to justifying the pushback.

 

Is there gonna be pushback if Jose doesn't get extended for a stupid amount of money?

 

Yep

[BigCecil]

And I'm looking forward to him wearing a different uniform next year if he expects to continue being pencilled in RF for the remainder of his career and receiving more than 10m per year in his contract demands.

 

Shocking post from GP advocating getting rid of older talent for cheap prospects, regardless of current circumstances. Never expected this.

[Pendleton]

Turner is a beast, that's how. He can play in the OF. But whatever, I wasn't being serious anyways-- hence my "video game" comment.

 

Turner is awesome and he's probably the better prospect, but I love everything I read about and see of Victor Robles. He'd the prospect I'd be most excited about acquiring in this completely hypothetical and unrealistic scenario.

[burlingtonbandit]

In 12 games Turner is worth .4 WAR while is 68 games Bautista has been worth .8. I know it's a SSS but if they would include either Giolito or Turner in a trade you really have to think about it

 

He's projected to be a below average hitter and is not an outfielder so how exactly does that trade make the team better this year?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Shocking post from GP advocating getting rid of older talent for cheap prospects, regardless of current circumstances. Never expected this.

 

Atleast I'm consistent unlike most other posters on here whose opinions change with the wind.