GDT: Jays (19-19) @ Rangers (21-16) - Game 3/3

[TBJ12]

The slide was illegal and has been for the duration of about 40 big league games. But that was NOT a dirty slide, he never raised his feet he just didn't stay on the bag. Last year no-one would have batted an eyelid at the slide.

 

Call me a homer if you wish but the Bautista haters are having a ball today and bizarrely some folk are making out that Odor was justified in his actions.

 

Agreed. I'm not against the new slide rule, but nobody gives a s*** about that slide a year ago.

[RealAccountant]

That's not going to happen, lol. Not unless Jose wires him a couple hundred g's.

 

No player on another team is going to risk a suspension because Jose decided to try and take Odor out, and then walked at him and got clipped.

 

I don't think you realize how stupid professional athletes are. Most of them wouldn't pass a grade nine GED

[Cyborg]

Slide was dirty and could have seriously injured Odor. Glad Odor cracked Jose in the jaw. Wish more players would reciprocate after dirty slides like that.

I know the homers won't agree, but when Devon Travis breaks his leg, after a slide like that, you'll all change your tunes.

 

Gtfo

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Guys Guys and ladies of the BJMB...

Relax... We're all not quite ourselves right now.... Have a Snickers bar!

 

Chill people !!!

 

For those of us old enough have a Rum for crying out loud! Lol

[Brownie19]

Slide was dirty and could have seriously injured Odor. Glad Odor cracked Jose in the jaw. Wish more players would reciprocate after dirty slides like that.

I know the homers won't agree, but when Devon Travis breaks his leg, after a slide like that, you'll all change your tunes.

 

Ironically....last year that slide would have been applauded and called a great baseball play...

[burlingtonbandit]

Odor is such a dirty player.

[bronson44]

Odor is such a dirty player.

 

Also staggeringly ugly.

[King]

[Statman]

I don't think anyone but a homer would think that Bautista didn't have this coming.

 

...and it's not entirely about the bat flip either....it's the constant complaining, posturing and the "me first" type behavior that we have all seen throughout the years. Don't forgot that slide cost the Jays an out there...down by a run.

 

As a Jays fan I can totally see why Orioles Hangout and Rangers fans are taking so MUCH pleasure in the schadenfreude.

[closetjaysfan]

I don't see a lot of people defending the slide. Why are you inventing that narrative?

 

I see more people having an issue with Odor starting a brawl and throwing punches, which is not excuseable, although understandable.

 

I dont understand how people dont get more upset about intentionally throwing at a batter. A player has been killed by a pitch. So why isnt this punished severely?

[vdubmvp]

 

I love his twitter, but I don't even think Bautista made a fist at any point.

[Effit]

Odor is such a dirty player.

 

Suits his name.

[vdubmvp]

Of course, it may be because he didn't get a chance, but really, wasn't everyone surprised by the punch? I honestly wasn't expecting that at all.

[Statman]

I dont understand how people dont get more upset about intentionally throwing at a batter. A player has been killed by a pitch. So why isnt this punished severely?

 

You think Jesse Chavez should get a higher suspension than Odor in this situation?

[Grant77]

I don't know why so many act like you have to be ok with one or the other. The slide was dirty and the retaliation for it was, as well. Most of us aren't condoning either.

 

The slide was at least a baseball play. You can't debate that if Ruben Tejada doesn't get hurt last year, nobody even brings this up.

 

The Odor reaction is like someone charging the mound in my opinion. It is someone choosing to fight after an aggressive play within the game.

 

I think the onus for all of this falls on Jeff Bannister. He's a coward for waiting until the last at-bats to retaliate and he's a coward for using Matt Bush in that situation. Odor responded with a mistake in the heat of the moment, I may have done the same. Bannister had time to think about it and mapped this out. He's a cowardly piece of s*** that I will never respect. We can bitch about Gibbons' on field moves, but at least he has some integrity and respect for the game.

[metafour]

I don't think anyone but a homer would think that Bautista didn't have this coming.

 

...and it's not entirely about the bat flip either....it's the constant complaining, posturing and the "me first" type behavior that we have all seen throughout the years.

 

I don't understand your logic. "Complaining", "posturing", and having a "me first attitude" doesn't warrant ANYTHING because its not HARMING anyone.

 

You think that constant complaining warrants a punch to the face?

[Brownie19]

Matt Bush is the scum of the earth. I'd have anger issues too if I took it up the ass in jail for 3 years after almost killing someone because I'm some loco idiot.

[BigCecil]

Of course, it may be because he didn't get a chance, but really, wasn't everyone surprised by the punch? I honestly wasn't expecting that at all.

 

Jose didn't ever make a fist as you said...watched it many times in slow mo. Mind you once buttoned on the chin by Odor his motor reflexes wouldn't have even allowed him too if he wanted. I think Jose expected what usually happens...shoving and pushing and yelling. That was as close to a sucker punch as it gets. Having said that Bautista should have been more ready if he is going to make an obvious retaliation play like that in that heated of a situation. Like Martin was after Prince was plunked. We've seen that kind of quick punch in hockey a few times, but usually there is a ritual of telegraphing what might be coming.

 

What a disaster of a day all round losing a series again, and now facing suspensions of our top players.

[TheHurl]

Matt Bush is the scum of the earth. I'd have anger issues too if I took it up the ass in jail for 3 years after almost killing someone because I'm some loco idiot.

 

If Bannister asked him to hit him it's the worst possible person.

[TheHurl]

[admin]

The thing is, MLB players fight like such pussies. There's always brawls, but punches are soft and barely connect. And it's never really a big deal. Well for one time a bunch connected. Sure it looked dirty, but it only looked bad because players don't know how to fight. You think when a guy charges the mound he wouldn't love to deliver a punch like that? Of course he would, but it always turns into a joke of a fight. Should he get a longer suspension just because his punch connected? It would be silly if it was based on that. Obviously no one was expecting a fight to break out, but at the same time in a situation like that, you kinda should expect a fight.

[BigRed]

The slide was at least a baseball play. You can't debate that if Ruben Tejada doesn't get hurt last year, nobody even brings this up.

 

The Odor reaction is like someone charging the mound in my opinion. It is someone choosing to fight after an aggressive play within the game.

 

I think the onus for all of this falls on Jeff Bannister. He's a coward for waiting until the last at-bats to retaliate and he's a coward for using Matt Bush in that situation. Odor responded with a mistake in the heat of the moment, I may have done the same. Bannister had time to think about it and mapped this out. He's a cowardly piece of s*** that I will never respect. We can bitch about Gibbons' on field moves, but at least he has some integrity and respect for the game.

 

I wish people would stop defending this slide, or calling it a "baseball play".

 

It used to be a "baseball play", but it should have been removed from the game long ago. Too many guys have been hurt with overly aggressive slides in the odd chance that it saves an out.

 

It can't be a "baseball play" if it's clearly illegal, the MLB has said they want this type of slide out of the game, and the umps have called it already this early into the season. Heck, the Jays have had it called against them already, lets not pretend bautista wasn't aware that sliding halfway to the outfield with no attempt to stay on the bag isn't allowed anymore.

 

I agree that Bannister has some blame in this, but it doesn't matter that it happened in the last game of the season between these two teams. What would have been different if it happened in the first game? Nothing -- it's not like it's the NL and Bush would have had to bat and answer for plunking Bautista, so all the Jays could do is retaliate against a Texas slugger, and that's exactly what they did by Chavez going after Fielder. They didn't need more time, so I'm not sure why the "late" timing matters in this instance - it's not like it was the bottom of the 9th in Toronto where it was the very last AB. That's just looking for a narrative where there isn't really one, because the Jays had time to retaliate and they did.

 

This isn't shocking, if Bush did indeed intentionally hit him (nobody but Bush knows for 100% certainty), then you had to assume the Rangers were looking for a more opportune time earlier in the season series (like in a blowout game) but that situation never came. So it came down to late in probably the last meeting between these teams and they decided to finally plunk Bautista.

[intentional wok]

If Bannister asked him to hit him it's the worst possible person.

 

Agreed. I made a post earlier about this, but yes, I totally agree that picking Bush was the most awful way to handle this. Not even a guy who lived through the ALDS. Just a guy who worked his ass off to rehab himself and get to the bigs and now has to carry water for his new "best" "friends". I don't give a f*** or a s*** about Matt Bush but a guy with his history doesn't deserve yet another warning or suspension or what have you because his manager saw an opportune time to make him to enact some s***** payback.

 

From Bush's perspective it's either risk punishment from the league or risk pissing off your new manager. I'd put my entire bank account that Matt Bush doesn't and will never give a s*** about last year's playoffs.

[Effit]

If Bannister asked him to hit him it's the worst possible person.

 

It might endear him to Texass fans, but someone like him should be keeping his nose as clean as possible.

[John_Havok]

Matt Bush is the scum of the earth. I'd have anger issues too if I took it up the ass in jail for 3 years after almost killing someone because I'm some loco idiot.

 

Can't really blame Bush for a decision that probably wasn't his. Sure he could have decided not to listen to his manager and go back to the minors, maybe never to be seen again...

[BigRed]

The thing is, MLB players fight like such pussies. There's always brawls, but punches are soft and barely connect. And it's never really a big deal. Well for one time a bunch connected. Sure it looked dirty, but it only looked bad because players don't know how to fight. You think when a guy charges the mound he wouldn't love to deliver a punch like that? Of course he would, but it always turns into a joke of a fight. Should he get a longer suspension just because his punch connected? It would be silly if it was based on that. Obviously no one was expecting a fight to break out, but at the same time in a situation like that, you kinda should expect a fight.

 

exactly

[admin]

If Bannister asked him to hit him it's the worst possible person.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if this was bush on his own. Guy is not all there, so I could see him doing it on his own.

[John_Havok]

I wish people would stop defending this slide, or calling it a "baseball play".

 

It used to be a "baseball play", but it should have been removed from the game long ago. Too many guys have been hurt with overly aggressive slides in the odd chance that it saves an out.

 

It can't be a "baseball play" if it's clearly illegal, the MLB has said they want this type of slide out of the game, and the umps have called it already this early into the season. Heck, the Jays have had it called against them already, lets not pretend bautista wasn't aware that sliding halfway to the outfield with no attempt to stay on the bag isn't allowed anymore.

 

I agree that Bannister has some blame in this, but it doesn't matter that it happened in the last game of the season between these two teams. What would have been different if it happened in the first game? Nothing -- it's not like it's the NL and Bush would have had to bat, so all the Jays could do is retaliate aganst a Texas slugger, and that's exactly what they did by Chavez going after Fielder. They didn't need more time, so I'm not sure why the timing matters in this instance - it's not like it was the bottom of the 9th in Toronto where it was the very last AB. That's just looking for a narrative where there isn't really one, because the Jays had time to retaliate and they did.

 

This isn't shocking, if Bush did indeed intentionally hit him (nobody but Bush knows for 100% certainty), then you had to assume the Rangers were looking for a more opportune time earlier in the season series (like in a blowout game) but that situation never came. So it came down to late in probably the last meeting between these teams and they decided to finally plunk Bautista.

 

Intentionally drilling a guy with a 98 mph weapon shouldn't be considered a baseball play either.

[Daniel Labude]

The thing is, MLB players fight like such pussies. There's always brawls, but punches are soft and barely connect. And it's never really a big deal. Well for one time a bunch connected. Sure it looked dirty, but it only looked bad because players don't know how to fight. You think when a guy charges the mound he wouldn't love to deliver a punch like that? Of course he would, but it always turns into a joke of a fight. Should he get a longer suspension just because his punch connected? It would be silly if it was based on that. Obviously no one was expecting a fight to break out, but at the same time in a situation like that, you kinda should expect a fight.

 

This brawl looked different (connected punch) because it was a standing sucker punch (Bautista really is stupid for not seeing it come). Usually fights that happen when a hitter charges the mound...and little punches land because baseball players are not good at punching a moving target

[admin]

If this was Machado sliding in to 2nd, and Tulo punched him, we'd be loving it and saying Machado had it coming.