Fire Jacoby

[Harvey_Specter]

Gotta blame someone when nearly the entire offense is struggling.

[RealAccountant]

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[burlingtonbandit]

delete your account.

[Pendleton]

How about blaming the guys who get paid $10M+ per year to hit baseballs?

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[Spanky99]

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[Governator]

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[Terminator]

I was wondering when this would show up.

[BigCecil]

Gotta blame someone when nearly the entire offense is struggling.

 

You do realize he was our hitting coach last season when we blew the doors off the league scoring runs? And you want to can him a month into 2016? GTFO.

[THANOS]

Don't fire him, but there should be some kind of group meeting to change the overall approach. When everyone is watching 2-strike fastballs straight down the middle and we're making 6 K/9 scrubs look like Clayton Kershaw, a change in philosophy is needed.

[burlingtonbandit]

Don't fire him, but there should be some kind of group meeting to change the overall approach. When everyone is watching 2-strike fastballs straight down the middle and we're making 6 K/9 scrubs look like Clayton Kershaw, a change in philosophy is needed.

 

So you think him telling the team "hey guys, swing at pitches down the middle and don't swing at balls" is all of sudden going to turn the offence around?

[Krylian]

Gotta blame someone when nearly the entire offense is struggling.

 

I agree.

 

I blame you.

[THANOS]

So you think him telling the team "hey guys, swing at pitches down the middle and don't swing at balls" is all of sudden going to turn the offence around?

 

It's not that simple, but what do you think hitting coaches are for? If the players all coached themselves there would be no need for a hitting coach.

 

Their approach is obviously, "make the pitchers work and throw as many pitches as they can". Maybe it should be, "look for a good fastball and shoot the other way". JD, Bautista and Edwin can be exempt, but everyone else shouldn't be using this current approach because their pitch recognition is just not as good as those guys.

 

If people like Tulo, Martin and Goins start stringing together solid contact, whether balls find holes or not, maybe their confidence improves and they get going a bit, who knows, but the current, all encompassing, approach needs an adjustment.

Edited May 3, 2016 by THANOS

[Harvey_Specter]

How about blaming the guys who get paid $10M+ per year to hit baseballs?

 

I do. But we can't fire them.

 

Can anyone attest to Jacoby's coaching ability? Cuz his hitting record as a player kinda sux. If we're defending him cuz the Jays scored lots of runs last year then by the same logic we have to judge him by the lack of runs this year.

[L54]

I do. But we can't fire them.

 

Can anyone attest to Jacoby's coaching ability? Cuz his hitting record as a player kinda sux. If we're defending him cuz the Jays scored lots of runs last year then by the same logic we have to judge him by the lack of runs this year.

 

One of my buddies added me to some s***** Jays group on FB. I am rarely on FB but when I do I usually just end up responding to morons who post in said group. Someone suggested they fire Gibbons because he wasn't a very good player. What a moronic train of thought that was. This one is the same.

[Harvey_Specter]

Their approach is obviously, "make the pitchers work and throw as many pitches as they can". .

 

I used to like this approach, but considering the strength of a lot of bullpens we face I'd rather be more aggressive against their starters in a lot of cases. The strategy seems a few years outdated.

[Harvey_Specter]

One of my buddies added me to some s***** Jays group on FB. I am rarely on FB but when I do I usually just end up responding to morons who post in said group. Someone suggested they fire Gibbons because he wasn't a very good player. What a moronic train of thought that was. This one is the same.

 

No I understand some crappy players make good coaches. Which is why you should take the time to read my post before trying to show off for your"friends"

[THANOS]

I used to like this approach, but considering the strength of a lot of bullpens we face I'd rather be more aggressive against their starters in a lot of cases. The strategy seems a few years outdated.

 

For guys like JD, Bautista, and usually Edwin, this approach is fine because they generally have great eyes and batspeed. The problem is guys while regressing batspeed or little talent are applying this approach and they can't sauce it.

[L54]

No I understand some crappy players make good coaches. Which is why you should take the time to read my post before trying to show off for your"friends"

 

No one here is my friend. They are merely online acquaintances. I imagine a lot of them are great guys and gals though.

 

Can anyone attest to Jacoby's coaching ability? Cuz his hitting record as a player kinda sux.

 

You pretty clearly questioned his ability as a coach because he "sucked" as a hitter. My inner stat scout tells me he was a decent hitter throughout his career though. I'm not really old enough to remember the 80's and early 90's.

[bones10]

Does Jacoby have a good track record or something? you guys are on your knees for the guy.

[THANOS]

Does Jacoby have a good track record or something? you guys are on your knees for the guy.

 

I think he was quoted saying he has a "hands off" approach some time last season.

[Harvey_Specter]

No one here is my friend. They are merely online acquaintances. I imagine a lot of them are great guys and gals though.

 

 

 

You pretty clearly questioned his ability as a coach because he "sucked" as a hitter. My inner stat scout tells me he was a decent hitter throughout his career though. I'm not really old enough to remember the 80's and early 90's.

 

K Whatever. I was hoping to get some insight on whether Jacoby is actually a good hitting coach aside from the fact the Jays scored a lot of runs last year.

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Not sure if you're taking a position on that subject, or have any insight to offer.

[Harvey_Specter]

Does Jacoby have a good track record or something? you guys are on your knees for the guy.

 

Exactly what I was wondering. Who knows, maybe the 2015 results were still effects from Seitzer in 2014. After he left, it seems the Jays didn't exactly get their top target for hitting coach.

[Harvey_Specter]

Does Jacoby have a good track record or something? you guys are on your knees for the guy.

 

Prior to working with the Jays, Jacoby served as the major league hitting coach for the Cincinnati Reds for seven seasons. Without looking at Cinci's offensive results during that time, I think that a bag of hammers could get good results in that tiny park....so I certainly hope he had good results.

[bones10]

Ehhhh he honestly probably doesn't even have that much of an impact these guys know how to hit; just some of them are regressing/getting unlucky.

[Harvey_Specter]

I think he was quoted saying he has a "hands off" approach some time last season.

 

I can be "hands off" for the 300K or whatever similar amount they pay him ....maybe he's a great hitting coach, maybe not...but maybe there's a much better one out there. I don't really want to speculate until I get more info. All I know is something needs to change. Josh said guys need to evaluate their approach. I tend to agree with that. Wouldn't that be something a hitting coach should be helping with? Why aren't things getting better. I think one month of crappy offense across the majority of the team is enough to start to raise concerns.

[FrozenRopes]

A lot of extra tape study this off season on how to turn down this offense. So far it's worked, but these guys will get theirs. You should get to know baseball, it's a beautiful game.

[Governator]

I do. But we can't fire them.

 

Can anyone attest to Jacoby's coaching ability? Cuz his hitting record as a player kinda sux. If we're defending him cuz the Jays scored lots of runs last year then by the same logic we have to judge him by the lack of runs this year.

 

Most armchair GMs and analytic experts have never played baseball in their life. I would say if you've played at the major league level that's an asset because you can relate better with the players. It doesn't mean you are giving your personal hitting technique to better players than yourself...

[glory]

The offense collectively overachieved last season. Now the fringe players are falling back to earth, and some of the star players have started badly/mediocre (Tulo, Martin, Edwin). I definitely think a hitting coach can make a negative difference, but with Jacoby, it's the same freakin players he coached last year. It's not on him.