Blue Jays offered Encarnacion a 2-year deal

[Angrioter]

Report: Blue Jays offered Encarnacion a 2-year deal

 

The Toronto Blue Jays are apparently interested in bringing back slugger Edwin Encarnacion, and they're not going to give up on the slugger just yet.

 

Toronto will revisit contract talks with Encarnacion at the All-Star break after the club made a guaranteed two-year offer to the slugger, who will be a free agent at season's end, reports MLB Network's Jon Heyman.

 

Encarnacion hasn't made a counteroffer at this point, but hopes to receive a deal in the four-to-five year range on the free-agent market, Heyman writes.

 

The Blue Jays are also reportedly willing to extend a three-year offer exceeding $20 million per year to Encarnacion's power-hitting teammate Jose Bautista, who's slated to become a free agent as well.

 

Bautista is seeking a five-year contract for at least $150 million as a free agent, according to Heyman.

 

The slugging pair have been boons for a powerful Toronto offense, generating an immense amount of pop for the reigning American League East champions.

[Frenchsoup]

2 years... Why does this FO like to offend it's players.

[Jonzo]

2 years... Why does this FO like to offend it's players.

 

Oh ok, let's give him a 5 year deal because we're afraid to hurt his feelings.

[Statman]

2 years... Why does this FO like to offend it's players.

 

Because they don't want to pay an offensive only player big money in declining years.

 

It's also why paying Bautista 20+ million for 5 years is not in the best interest of the team either.

[burlingtonbandit]

Seems pointless to be offering Edwin a 2 year deal and Bautista 3/60. To be honest I'm not even sure I want to resign Edwin for even 2 years if its in the 20 million range. His contact rate keeps declining and so far this year its been pretty bad. As a DH if the bat is merely above average in the wRC+115 range he doesn't have much value.

 

Bautista still looks elite on the other hand even if the defense is bad. I think I'd give Bautista 4/80 over Edwin at 2/40.

[Jonzo]

It's all a negotiation. Two years is probably their starting point.

[Jimcanuck]

2 years... Why does this FO like to offend it's players.

 

It's not to be offensive, its offering what the Jays can afford. Jays can't afford to be saddled with a bunch of high cost, long term contracts to players in or entering their decline years - JD, Martin, Tulo, EE, JB

[Angrioter]

Edwin 2 and Jose 3 is fair

[saskjayfan]

Edwin 2 and Jose 3 is fair

 

Jose get's 4, maybe 5 from someone else....edwin will get at least 4 offered from someone.

[Angrioter]

Jose get's 4, maybe 5 from someone else....edwin will get at least 4 offered from someone.

 

I know

[Inklink]

Just so they can say "we made an offer"?

[intrigid]

Offer them an open ended contract at $20m a year. For every year they finish above. 500, their pay doubles. For every year they don't, it halves. Let them decide when they've had enough.

[BigCecil]

Edwin 2 and Jose 3 is fair

 

I have loved watching these guys and I'm a fan. But it sounds to me like Shapiro is making the absolute correct business decisions for the long term health of the org. Its a negotiation or a non starter for EE, but either way its the right call.

 

Jose looks like he is on a mission this season. Locked in.

[RealAccountant]

Because they don't want to pay an offensive only player big money in declining years.

 

It's also why paying Bautista 20+ million for 5 years is not in the best interest of the team either.

 

They are saving it for real cleveland signings like Swisher and Micheal Bourn

[BTS]

Offer them an open ended contract at $20m a year. For every year they finish above. 500, their pay doubles. For every year they don't, it halves. Let them decide when they've had enough.

 

Uh...

[ValiantJaysFan]

Pretty simple. This was leaked so when the offers are inevitably declined, Shatkins can say "we put our best foot forward and couldn't get anything done". Then if they're out of the race at the deadline they can potentially trade them.

[vic city]

I'm torn. 4-5 years for either of them comes with a lot of risk. But on the flip side, if both leave then we are looking at some DARK days for at least a couple of years - minimum. But let's say Shapiro goes that route, we suck for a couple years and then Shapiro thinks it's now the right time to sign an elite bat or two. He's going to be giving up even more term, 2 to 3 years more term since that's what elite bats get in free agency and he's probably assuming even more risk because those long term contracts usually look like s*** in the last couple years. Plus who's to say that we ever make it back to where we are now? It's taken us over 20 years to get back to the post season. This team has a window of likely 2-3 more years after this year, IMO we need to take advantage of it. Bautista and EE are known commodities. The devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Obviously Bautista is going to come down from 5 year $150M. Nobody is going to pay him that. Give them both 4 year deals. EE 4 years $84M, Bautista 4 years $100M. They could be s*** deals at the end but we need to take advantage of this window because there's no guarantee that we'll get back here any time soon.

[Terminator]

Jose get's 4, maybe 5 from someone else....edwin will get at least 4 offered from someone.

 

Beltre just got a two year extension. Granted, he's older. But he also plays a position. Ortiz was pretty much one or two year extensions the entire back half of his career as well wasn't he?

 

4 or 5 for Bautista or EE is too much IMO.

 

I mean maybe I'd go 4, maybe, and that's depending on what I would find out about team payroll. But it wouldn't end well.

[L54]

2 years... Why does this FO like to offend it's players.

 

Agreed. I'd just give him a blank cheque too.

[Jimcanuck]

I'm torn. 4-5 years for either of them comes with a lot of risk. But on the flip side, if both leave then we are looking at some DARK days for at least a couple of years - minimum. But let's say Shapiro goes that route, we suck for a couple years and then Shapiro thinks it's now the right time to sign an elite bat or two. He's going to be giving up even more term, 2 to 3 years more term since that's what elite bats get in free agency and he's probably assuming even more risk because those long term contracts usually look like s*** in the last couple years. Plus who's to say that we ever make it back to where we are now? It's taken us over 20 years to get back to the post season. This team has a window of likely 2-3 more years after this year, IMO we need to take advantage of it. Bautista and EE are known commodities. The devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Obviously Bautista is going to come down from 5 year $150M. Nobody is going to pay him that. Give them both 4 year deals. EE 4 years $84M, Bautista 4 years $100M. They could be s*** deals at the end but we need to take advantage of this window because there's no guarantee that we'll get back here any time soon.

 

Quite optimistic for a team of 5 highly paid guys in their decline years surrounded by a couple of good pitchers and a bunch of flawed players.

 

Move them at the deadline if the team is hovering around .500 (there is little prospect capital to trade for a Price/Tulo and try for 2015 again), or let them go at the end of the season.

 

Jays need to take the Cubbies rebuild route and when a Heyward is available again Jays will have money that would otherwise be tied up in a bunch of almost 40 yr olds.

 

It's just really unfortunate AA/Beest decided to do the Marlins/Dickey deals.

[metafour]

Bautista and EE are known commodities. The devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Obviously Bautista is going to come down from 5 year $150M. Nobody is going to pay him that. Give them both 4 year deals. EE 4 years $84M, Bautista 4 years $100M. They could be s*** deals at the end but we need to take advantage of this window because there's no guarantee that we'll get back here any time soon.

 

EE looks like he is declining NOW; no way I give that guy 4 years $80+ million...are you serious?

 

Bautista at least offers some sense of confidence with his high work ethic, dedication to his body, and elite eye at the plate.

[John_Havok]

EE looks like he is declining NOW; no way I give that guy 4 years $80+ million...are you serious?

 

Bautista at least offers some sense of confidence with his high work ethic, dedication to his body, and elite eye at the plate.

 

I dont even know that the window is that open without significant steps forward from their young players to offset the inevitable loss of Bautista and Edwin.

[RealAccountant]

Neither player will be resigned so everyone can relax.

 

Let's just let shatkins rebuild anyways

[RealAccountant]

Might be time to ask what is Edwin's trade value

[Brownie19]

Future HOFer Adrian Beltre just signed a 2 year $36M extension. He's of similar age, as productive as Jose and better than EE. Although all 3 could probably get more money in the open market, the notion that 2 and 3 year offers to EE and Jose are insulting is utter f***ing nonsense.

[vic city]

EE looks like he is declining NOW; no way I give that guy 4 years $80+ million...are you serious?

 

Bautista at least offers some sense of confidence with his high work ethic, dedication to his body, and elite eye at the plate.

 

EE's OPS is down so far this year but he basically had no spring training and has yet to get hot this year. Having said that, he's still hitting .280 and on pace for about 110 RBI. So I'm not sure how he's declining? Maybe $84M is a tad high, maybe he comes in at 4/$80M? But he's going to get paid and he deserves it. There's a pretty good chance he puts up 100 RBI in each of the 1st 3 years and we may even get lucky and get a solid 4th year. I know it's a lot of money for a DH but his numbers say he's worth it and while there's always a chance he will decline, there is no hard evidence that supports that at this point.

[vic city]

I'll also add that if either of the 2 has declined, it's Bautista.

[burlingtonbandit]

EE's OPS is down so far this year but he basically had no spring training and has yet to get hot this year. Having said that, he's still hitting .280 and on pace for 110+ RBI. So I'm not sure how he's declining? Maybe $84M is a tad high, maybe he comes in at 4/$80M? But he's going to get paid and he deserves it. There's a pretty good chance he puts up 100 RBI in each of the 1st 3 years and we may even get lucky and get a solid 4th year. I know it's a lot of money for a DH but his numbers say he's worth it and while there's always a chance he will decline, there is no hard evidence that supports that at this point.

 

If I'm giving a guy $80 Million I want a guy whos going to hit .300.

[vic city]

If I'm giving a guy $80 Million I want a guy whos going to hit .300.

 

Chris Davis is a career .254 hitter...dude got paid. There's more to production than average. Do you know how hard it is to hit .300 over 162 games? Bautista has only hit .300 once. Mike Trout hit .299 last year. Bryce Harper is a career .290 hitter. Ken Griffey f***in JR only hit .284 over his career...he's a bum! lol....I'd gladly take any of these guys as my DH @ $20M/year.

[Brownie19]

Chris Davis is a career .254 hitter...dude got paid. There's more to production than average. Do you know how hard it is to hit .300 over 162 games? Bautista has only hit .300 once. Mike Trout hit .299 last year. Bryce Harper is a career .290 hitter. Ken Griffey f***in JR only hit .284 over his career...he's a bum! lol....I'd gladly take any of these guys as my DH @ $20M/year.

 

wow - did that ever go right over your head...