Does the StroShow blow?

[burlingtonbandit]

Stroman's velo seemed to be up a tick today. Per Brooks his 4seam was 93.7 and 2 seam 93.1 up over 1MPH on his season average. Nice to see he ditched the changeup pretty much and threw a ton more cutters and 4 seam instead of all sinkers.

 

The Rays swing and miss a ton so its tough to read how much of the strikeouts just came from that and how much was actually Stroman but regardless its really encouraging to see the results today.

[bones10]

I never want to see another knuckleballer on this team ever again. A crapshoot pitcher, a million pass balls and a personal catcher, ya no thanks.

 

I don't even want another knuckleballer in the league again.

[Stangstag]

I don't even want another knuckleballer in the league again.

 

Wright will probably be around for a while

[Hal Johnson]

Wright will probably be around for a while

 

And we'll trade a couple of excellent prospects for him in about 8 years.

[BigCecil]

I never want to see another knuckleballer on this team ever again. A crapshoot pitcher, a million pass balls and a personal catcher, ya no thanks.

 

I thought they had to pick up his option for this season with the price of FA SP, but it's been painful with his performance. Martin's K's and neck issues magnify the downside of having to have Thole on the roster. This will be the last season of it and we just have to hope RA pulls it together like he did later in the season last year.

[Nafro]

Simple Answer is...No

[Governator]

I thought they had to pick up his option for this season with the price of FA SP, but it's been painful with his performance. Martin's K's and neck issues magnify the downside of having to have Thole on the roster. This will be the last season of it and we just have to hope RA pulls it together like he did later in the season last year.

 

I thought the decision was correct, but really his value/war is totally different than other pitchers which gets overlooked. Having to carry Thole comes with an added $800K cost of negative value. In fact we paid Thole $1,750,000 last year... I can't think of one quality factor in having a knuckleball pitcher with hopes of at best a 4.00 FIP result / 2.0 WAR with all that baggage. Unless your Mike Wilner and say yea but there's 200 innings that are worth every penny, like just give it a rest Mike.

 

I don't think we miss a step with any one of Hutchison, Floyd, Chavez in replace of Dickey along with a legit back up catcher.

[BigCecil]

I thought the decision was correct, but really his value/war is totally different than other pitchers which gets overlooked. Having to carry Thole comes with an added $800K cost of negative value. In fact we paid Thole $1,750,000 last year... I can't think of one quality factor in having a knuckleball pitcher with hopes of at best a 4.00 FIP result / 2.0 WAR with all that baggage. Unless your Mike Wilner and say yea but there's 200 innings that are worth every penny, like just give it a rest Mike.

 

I don't think we miss a step with any one of Hutchison, Floyd, Chavez in replace of Dickey along with a legit back up catcher.

 

Probably not. As s*** as Hutch was last year he was worth 1.5 WAR and you don't need Thole.

 

Floyd couldn't be counted on due to Injury history and Chavez is SP depth but needed to be in pen to replace Hendriks. At this point Id rather have Floyd in the rotation over RA.

[KinofChaos]

As long as Stro keeps mixing his pitches up I wouldn't expect any other result against the Rays line up. Hopefully he can repeat it against O's and Red Sox. Such a great keap forward for him.

 

Agree I can barely watch Dickey starts now it is aggrivating.

[burlingtonbandit]

I thought the decision was correct, but really his value/war is totally different than other pitchers which gets overlooked. Having to carry Thole comes with an added $800K cost of negative value. In fact we paid Thole $1,750,000 last year... I can't think of one quality factor in having a knuckleball pitcher with hopes of at best a 4.00 FIP result / 2.0 WAR with all that baggage. Unless your Mike Wilner and say yea but there's 200 innings that are worth every penny, like just give it a rest Mike.

 

I don't think we miss a step with any one of Hutchison, Floyd, Chavez in replace of Dickey along with a legit back up catcher.

 

You shouldn't be using FIP and WAR to evaluate Dickey though thats part of why you think he's been bad. He's always had a BABIP in the .260 range with the Jays outside this year.

[Governator]

You shouldn't be using FIP and WAR to evaluate Dickey though thats part of why you think he's been bad. He's always had a BABIP in the .260 range with the Jays outside this year.

 

Use f***ing ERA I don't care. anything around 4.00 of any measurement you use is pretty much the typical Dickey we expect and also one that can easily be replaced.

[The Cats Ass]

He still needs to strike out more.

[KinofChaos]

lol.

[THANOS]

At this rate, that K/9 is going to rise like a phoenix. So glad that Stro has ditched the "pitch to contact" crap, for the most part.

[John_Havok]

At this rate, that K/9 is going to rise like a phoenix. So glad that Stro has ditched the "pitch to contact" crap, for the most part.

 

He was under 50% 2 seamers, really good swing and miss on his offspeed stuff tonight.

[THANOS]

He was under 50% 2 seamers, really good swing and miss on his offspeed stuff tonight.

 

Most definitely. Once Stro and Martin get completely on the same page, he will become even more dominant.

[John_Havok]

Most definitely. Once Stro and Martin get completely on the same page, he will become even more dominant.

 

I didn't like that he didn't throw he 4 seam at all...again. that's the type of fastball you would want to throw with two strikes both up in and up out of the the zone to try and get those swings and misses rather than the opposite field doubles. It's something that may bite him in the ass in the long run if he doesn't at least give them a show-me type fastball up once in a while. Doesn't have to even throw it more than 10-15 times per start but it would be beneficial

[THANOS]

I didn't like that he didn't throw he 4 seam at all...again. that's the type of fastball you would want to throw with two strikes both up in and up out of the the zone to try and get those swings and misses rather than the opposite field doubles. It's something that may bite him in the ass in the long run if he doesn't at least give them a show-me type fastball up once in a while. Doesn't have to even throw it more than 10-15 times per start but it would be beneficial

 

Agreed. It would have been the perfect 0-2 pitch to use the 3rd time through the order, since the Dodgers were likely expecting curve/slider.

[THANOS]

I just can't seem to understand why he dislikes being a strikeout pitcher so much when he's got the talent to do it?

[G-Snarls]

I just can't seem to understand why he dislikes being a strikeout pitcher so much when he's got the talent to do it?

 

He now leads the AL in IP

 

FWIW

[Jimcanuck]

I just can't seem to understand why he dislikes being a strikeout pitcher so much when he's got the talent to do it?

 

he wants Papa B longevity

[THANOS]

He now leads the AL in IP

 

FWIW

 

Sure, but look at the top 10 list heading into today.

 

 

All, other than Stro, have been average to elite in strikeouts. I don't see the correlation between high innings pitched and low strikeouts that Stroman seems to believe. There's no statistical reason why he couldn't be his 2014 K/9 self and have the same IP.

Edited May 23, 2016 by THANOS

[Daniel Labude]

I just can't seem to understand why he dislikes being a strikeout pitcher so much when he's got the talent to do it?

 

Due to his height and the angle which the pitch comes in, in order to be a high strikeout pitcher he would give up a lot more HRs. Also, not all of it is on him. Teams have been swing happy at any strike he (or any of our pitchers) have been throwing. It's tough to strike guys out when 60% of the batters face ground out on the 2nd or 3rd pitch of an AB.

[John_Havok]

Sure, but look at the top 10 list heading into today.

 

 

All, other than Stro, have been average to elite in strikeouts. I don't see the correlation between high innings pitched and low strikeouts that Stroman seems to believe. There's no statistical reason why he could be his 2014 K/9 self and have the same IP.

 

It really is Kershaw's world, the rest just pitch in it

[THANOS]

Will Stroman get shelled tomorrow or will he ditch the nibbling/P2C and actually be his old self to succeed?

[Nafro]

No!

[RealAccountant]

Will Stroman get shelled tomorrow or will he ditch the nibbling/P2C and actually be his old self to succeed?

 

He has gotten shelled

[Cyborg]

He has gotten shelled

 

Very unlucky today though.

[THANOS]

Very unlucky today though.

 

Based on the location of his pitches and predictability of his routine, I'd suggest that he was lucky he didn't give up more hits. There were plenty of lineouts as well.

[Lil Looper]

Stroman is just not ace material

He can be a solid #2/3 option but hes no ace