General 2016 Blue Jays discussion thread

[Governator]

Cola went 2-4 with a homer? Nice! Maybe he can come up here and give us a proper platoon with Smoak

 

fatcowgibby

[fatcowxlive]

fatcowgibby

 

Lol if he hits I could care less what his past is the more offence the better. Maybe he does well enough to be a trade peice next season

[Governator]

Lol if he hits I could care less what his past is the more offence the better. Maybe he does well enough to be a trade peice next season

 

Honestly, he'll probably hit well in AAA but that's aside the point. I think if they start relying on him as part of the line up it's a mistake come postseason. Also, they'd arguably get more value with one of Carerra/Pompey in RF and Bautista/EE splitting DH/1B.

[fatcowxlive]

Honestly, he'll probably hit well in AAA but that's aside the point. I think if they start relying on him as part of the line up it's a mistake come postseason. Also, they'd arguably get more value with one of Carerra/Pompey in RF and Bautista/EE splitting DH/1B.

I agree with you but:

 

A) I have a feeling Gibby won't do the whole Carerra in RF/Bautista at DH/EE at 1B

Cola isn't eligible for the postseason so might as well use him as much as you can to give people rest. We also have a thin bench anyways

C) also lots of people made the great point of Carerra's value off the bench. If cola puts on a good display not only do we get a speedy player that can bunt off the bench but we have cola as a trade piece next season maybe. There's lots of factors here

 

Once again this is of course if he's mashing in AAA and he goes back to his .320 + .400+ BABIP + decent pop. If he turns to s*** again then we shouldn't even give him a look in September

[Brownie19]

Lol if he hits I could care less what his past is the more offence the better. Maybe he does well enough to be a trade peice next season

 

A trade piece...good one.

[Governator]

I agree with you but:

 

A) I have a feeling Gibby won't do the whole Carerra in RF/Bautista at DH/EE at 1B

Cola isn't eligible for the postseason so might as well use him as much as you can to give people rest. We also have a thin bench anyways

 

Once again this is of course if he's mashing in AAA and he goes back to his .320 + .400+ BABIP + decent pop. If he turns to s*** again then we shouldn't even give him a look in September

 

 

Gibby will want to give him a chance, that I believe hence the gibby comment but I don't think it's the right move. I believe a caught PED user who was respected because he beat the odds can just GTFO regardless of his predicted minor contributions. They could release him today and I wouldn't care.

 

If they want Colabello I think he'll be a September call up and they should bring up Pompey now so at the very least he'll be postseason eligible.

[Governator]

C) also lots of people made the great point of Carerra's value off the bench. If cola puts on a good display not only do we get a speedy player that can bunt off the bench but we have cola as a trade piece next season maybe. There's lots of factors here

 

 

Unless their trade partner is Dave Stewart, I really don't see what Colabello could bring us in the offseason, a throw in at best?? I'm not undervaluing Carerra, I think him and Pompey together could make for a great bench / RF option. Swap out Burns & Lake with Bautista & Pompey and I think we're stronger everywhere. When Saunders hits that double in a tie game in the 8th, putting Pompey out there would be wonderful. Sadly, as you mentioned I don't think Gibby has the balls to move to Bautista to 1B / DH role though.

[fatcowxlive]

Unless their trade partner is Dave Stewart, I really don't see what Colabello could bring us in the offseason, a throw in at best?? I'm not undervaluing Carerra, I think him and Pompey together could make for a great bench / RF option. Swap out Burns & Lake with Bautista & Pompey and I think we're stronger everywhere. When Saunders hits that double in a tie game in the 8th, putting Pompey out there would be wonderful. Sadly, as you mentioned I don't think Gibby has the balls to move to Bautista to 1B / DH role though.

 

Right I meant he'd be the B guy in a package type of player. But yes that's what I'm saying I don't think Gibby will be able to force Bautista into DH if he wants to play RF to put up his value

[baseballsss]

Right I meant he'd be the B guy in a package type of player. But yes that's what I'm saying I don't think Gibby will be able to force Bautista into DH if he wants to play RF to put up his value

 

In the case of the Bautista situation I think a lot of people are underestimating how smart Bautista is. If he can come back and hit like a crazy that alone will get him the money he wants. Teams already know that he is capable of playing the OF, if you throw him at 1B I can only see that helping his value.

 

You'd have a backup 1B, 3B, OF and is one of the best hitters in the game.

 

EDIT: The Jays could easily say when Bautista comes back that they want him to play 1B to get him off the turf to help his toe get to 100% or some sorta BS like that.

[CHRIS]

It will be interesting to see what happens with Cola. I'd cut him personally, but if he somehow makes it back to the majors, then it's going to have to come at the expense of somebody. When everybody is healthy, does the decision become Cola or Goins, or is there enough room for both? I'm assuming they're not going to do something like egregious like punting Barney or Devo somewhere.

[Grant77]

It will be interesting to see what happens with Cola. I'd cut him personally, but if he somehow makes it back to the majors, then it's going to have to come at the expense of somebody. When everybody is healthy, does the decision become Cola or Goins, or is there enough room for both? I'm assuming they're not going to do something like egregious like punting Barney or Devo somewhere.

 

Why cut him? He's good insurance in AAA and a nice bench bat in September at the very least.

[Pendleton]

It will be interesting to see what happens with Cola. I'd cut him personally, but if he somehow makes it back to the majors, then it's going to have to come at the expense of somebody. When everybody is healthy, does the decision become Cola or Goins, or is there enough room for both? I'm assuming they're not going to do something like egregious like punting Barney or Devo somewhere.

 

There's no reason to cut him, he has options.

[puphood]

What is the latest with Bautista in rehab of the toe. When he comes back I see him DHing, EE to 1st. Smoak doing what he does best on the bench. All and all this is going to be an improvement from what is being fielded now. Still need SP big time.........After the Smoak signing I have become resigned to the fact that we loose EE in 2017........

[Governator]

What is the latest with Bautista in rehab of the toe. When he comes back I see him DHing, EE to 1st. Smoak doing what he does best on the bench. All and all this is going to be an improvement from what is being fielded now. Still need SP big time.........After the Smoak signing I have become resigned to the fact that we loose EE in 2017........

 

Why does everyone assume signing Smoak means no EE? Smoak hasn't been his replacement up to this point so I don't see how that changes, EE is not very good at 1B and can't possibly do that over the course of a season. If anything it suggests Bautista is gone who would most certainly would be the future 1B.

[burlingtonbandit]

Why does everyone assume signing Smoak means no EE? Smoak hasn't been his replacement up to this point so I don't see how that changes, EE is not very good at 1B and can't possibly do that over the course of a season. If anything it suggests Bautista is gone who would most certainly would be the future 1B.

 

EE has been a lot better than Smoak at 1B this season. Smoak's defense is really overrated, he has nice hands but his range is crap.

 

-16 DRS his career and UZR has him at avg.

[KingKat]

Why does everyone assume signing Smoak means no EE? Smoak hasn't been his replacement up to this point so I don't see how that changes, EE is not very good at 1B and can't possibly do that over the course of a season. If anything it suggests Bautista is gone who would most certainly would be the future 1B.

 

I don't think it really signals anything. Smoak won't be making starters money. He's insurance. He's not a cornerstone.

[Governator]

EE has been a lot better than Smoak at 1B this season. Smoak's defense is really overrated, he has nice hands but his range is crap.

 

-16 DRS his career and UZR has him at avg.

 

 

You could argue it's a bad signing as a first basemen sure, but I don't see how it impacts EE's DH role other than spending $4MM annual.

[CHRIS]

There's no reason to cut him, he has options.

 

Sorry, meant cut from the major league roster; i.e., I wouldn't just give him back a major league roster spot simply because he had one before the suspension. Poor wording on my part.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Also I have asked several times what other 4million dollar first basemen are out there that would be better then SMOAK ??? Crickets!!!

[CHRIS]

Also I have asked several times what other 4million dollar first basemen are out there that would be better then SMOAK ??? Crickets!!!

 

The questions...

 

- Is there a better first baseman available for $4 million dollars than Justin Smoak?

- Is spending $4 million dollars on Justin Smoak a wise use of resources?

 

...do not (necessarily) hold the same meaning.

 

For me, the main questions to ask are:

- Is Justin Smoak's value likely to rise significantly higher the closer we get to the end of the season?

- Does the benefit of Justin Smoak's "cost certainty" outweigh the loss in flexibility of looking to fill his roster spot next season?

 

I guess we are facing the possibility of a future without Encarnacion and Bautista, both who would could fill a 1B/DH role, and Justin Smoak semi-fills those roles, but it just seems odd to me to lock him into a roster spot and take that money off the table.

[Terminator]

Also I have asked several times what other 4million dollar first basemen are out there that would be better then SMOAK ??? Crickets!!!

 

4 mil a year for Smoak is not that bad, I agree with you.

 

Steve Pearce came off a terrible year last year, truly just an atrocious year, and he got 4 million. LoMo had a bad year as well. He got 4 million.

 

I imagine Smoak would have got at least 4 million. After Napoli and Moss he's probably the third best 1B on the market next season. Smoak just needs a platoon partner. I think the aformentioned Pearce would be a good fit.

 

I get the concerns about even rostering Smoak and committing 2 years two him like that. But the team has a ton of FAs next year and we won't be able to perfectly fill all the holes that they leave. Patching up one of those holes now makes sense.

[HERPDERP]

Steve Pearce is back at 154 wRC

 

smh

[Terminator]

Steve Pearce is back at 154 wRC

 

smh

 

Yeah that 4 million was well spent but I was just trying to identify what 4 mill gets you. And last year it got you a 33 year old Steve Pearce coming of a wOBA of .308.

[youngtea]

It will be interesting to see what happens with Cola. I'd cut him personally, but if he somehow makes it back to the majors, then it's going to have to come at the expense of somebody. When everybody is healthy, does the decision become Cola or Goins, or is there enough room for both? I'm assuming they're not going to do something like egregious like punting Barney or Devo somewhere.

 

Can we get any bullpen help trading Cola or Goins and a prospect for some bullpen help? Just wondering.

[Terminator]

Can we get any bullpen help trading Cola or Goins and a prospect for some bullpen help? Just wondering.

 

Yeah I mean it's possible although a team may just not even want Cola or Goins unless they value them as org depth.

 

But last year we traded 3 bums in A-ball for Mark Lowe. We also got Grilli for nothing this year.

[CHRIS]

Can we get any bullpen help trading Cola or Goins and a prospect for some bullpen help? Just wondering.

 

I think most of the bullpen help that gets moved will be coming from non-contending teams, which likely don't have a want or a need for Cola or Goins.

 

I guess it's possible that Goins might be attractive to a contending team in need of middle infield help, but they'd also likely have to have an abundance of bullpen arms to part with. Off the top of my head, not sure who that might be.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah I mean it's possible although a team may just not even want Cola or Goins unless they value them as org depth.

 

But last year we traded 3 bums in A-ball for Mark Lowe. We also got Grilli for nothing this year.

 

I looked up Mark Lowe and wow does he ever suck this year. Velo dropped almost 3 MPH and he's been one of the worst pitchers in the Majors.

 

Interesting that out of all of the prospects the Jays traded last year only Hoffman's stock has gone up. Almost every other prospect has only been worse since the trades which is remarkable considering how many prospects were traded.

[KingKat]

I looked up Mark Lowe and wow does he ever suck this year. Velo dropped almost 3 MPH and he's been one of the worst pitchers in the Majors.

 

Interesting that out of all of the prospects the Jays traded last year only Hoffman's stock has gone up. Almost every other prospect has only been worse since the trades which is remarkable considering how many prospects were traded.

 

That's usually what happens with prospects though. You rarely regret selling high but occasionally, you really, really regret it.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Yeah that 4 million was well spent but I was just trying to identify what 4 mill gets you. And last year it got you a 33 year old Steve Pearce coming of a wOBA of .308.

 

Thanks Terminator!! 😎

 

This is was helpful and added to the dicussion on the subject.

 

Plus I see it as no matter who we get it will not be for longer then two years just holding down the Fort till Tellez arrives really!

[vdubmvp]

Ugh, I want that Pillar bobblehead but prices for that game are stupid right now. I'm not paying over $40 for row 20 in the 500's. I guess it's my own stupid fault, though; I should have bought my tickets for all of these giveaway games at the beginning of the season.