General 2016 Blue Jays discussion thread

[Pendleton]

We need him to be starting in the playoffs.... We can pick up bullpen help at the deadline if we're in a good spot.

 

It's about saving his arm, not helping the pen.

[candymartinez]

Maybe he should pitch 0 more innings! That is safe. Very little chance of getting hurt that way!

[The Cats Ass]

Maybe he should pitch 0 more innings! That is safe. Very little chance of getting hurt that way!

 

So you want Sanchez to go from pitching 102 innings last year to 230 innings this year?

[candymartinez]

So you want Sanchez to go from pitching 102 innings last year to 230 innings this year?

 

I see no reason why not. Will he get hurt? Maybe. Will he be fine? Maybe

No one knows how to prevent injuries.

[The Cats Ass]

No one knows how to prevent injuries.

 

Pretty sure the Bluejays know better than you though.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

But has it ever been said how many innings he is being allowed to pitch this year? What does the board even believe it is?

 

If it was always about innings and not pitch counts, then why was he allowed to pitch more then 5-6 innings per game or every fourth or fifth start skipped?

 

Think our GM has a lot to learn and made this worse by lack of moves!

 

Food for thought how many innings did Stroman throw Last year?

How come he doesn't have a limit?

[Governator]

But has it ever been said how many innings he is being allowed to pitch this year? What does the board even believe it is?

 

If it was always about innings and not pitch counts, then why was he allowed to pitch more then 5-6 innings per game or every fourth or fifth start skipped?

 

Think our GM has a lot to learn and made this worse by lack of moves!

 

Food for thought how many innings did Stroman throw Last year?

How come he doesn't have a limit?

 

 

It's true I agree. I don't really understand why Sanchez is getting babied but hey that's the nature of the business. However, Stroman threw 165 innings in 2014 from 122 the year before. He threw a lot throughout 2015 during his rehab (videos show this and he didn't have an arm injury) so it's quite possible they feel he's good to go and his arm is now ready for 200 innings as the next step.

[baseballsss]

It's true I agree. I don't really understand why Sanchez is getting babied but hey that's the nature of the business. However, Stroman threw 165 innings in 2014 from 122 the year before. He threw a lot throughout 2015 during his rehab (videos show this and he didn't have an arm injury) so it's quite possible they feel he's good to go and his arm is now ready for 200 innings as the next step.

 

Does anyone actually believe in an innings cap on this board?

[Governator]

Does anyone actually believe in an innings cap on this board?

 

Pitch Count / Innings Count / whatever. 40 innings is a big difference however that converts to pitch count

[baseballsss]

Pitch Count / Innings Count / whatever. 40 innings is a big difference however that converts to pitch count

 

I know what you were saying. Sorry I was asking in general if there's anything to back up having an innings limit.

 

In the last two decades haven't there been more injuries to pitchers elbows/shoulders than any other time? and increasing by the year.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Oddity and Fun Fact in this all ya'll

Not counting sides and practise or warming up cause we don't know what that might be, but actuall game thrown innings in the last Four years.

Including the majors and minor leagues!

 

Stroman has pitched 404.2 innings

 

Shanchez has pitched 406.2 innings

 

Boom Goes the Dynomite !!!

 

Interesting Hmmmmmmm !!! 😃

[Governator]

I know what you were saying. Sorry I was asking in general if there's anything to back up having an innings limit.

 

In the last two decades haven't there been more injuries to pitchers elbows/shoulders than any other time? and increasing by the year.

 

From everything I've read (been a while now), but I'm under the impression that kids arms are overused before they are fully developed. It starts back in high school where the demand and play time is extreme, they play all year round now where years ago it was just a handful of games beyond their regular league. It's no surprise that most Tommy john injuries are to younger pitchers, development has changed a lot over the last 20+ years for better and for worse. If you consider the amount of camps, tournaments, etc. that get organized from since having access to the internet alone is big. I think it all compiled in to a bigger problem that perhaps no one has really grasped the extent of it yet.

[puphood]

Wild card game @ Boston it would be if the season ended today. DAMN I'd have to drive down again to see that. Lol

I have it as 7 wins to 6 losses for the jays to date?

[Governator]

I have it as 7 wins to 6 losses for the jays to date?

 

It goes by overall winning % before head to head record.

[G-Snarls]

It goes by overall winning % before head to head record.

 

Yeah.

 

Both Red Sox and O's have a bunch of games in hand too

 

Plus it's hypothetical. Lots of ball left to be played.

[Dick_Pole]

Yeah.

 

Both Red Sox and O's have a bunch of games in hand too

 

Plus it's hypothetical. Lots of ball left to be played.

 

I view it as the Jays have a bunch more days off (or no double headers) which only works in their favour come August when Sox and O's regulars might need a scheduled day off and the Jays do not. The term games in hand really only makes sense in the NHL where they go by point totals and not GB to determine the standings.

[G-Snarls]

I view it as the Jays have a bunch more days off (or no double headers) which only works in their favour come August when Sox and O's regulars might need a scheduled day off and the Jays do not. The term games in hand really only makes sense in the NHL where they go by point totals and not GB to determine the standings.

 

Excellent points

 

Winning % is all that matters in most sports including baseball

 

And we will appreciate those off days late season

[Terminator]

[G-Snarls]

Also, Orioles and Rex Sox still have *11* more games against each other including tonight's in addition to about 5 games they have to make up. It's gonna be a dog fight. Hopefully it takes a toll on them.

[jaysfan2014]

 

As I expected. Cecil needs to come back soon.. and Burns is only likely up until Tulo is healthy.

[G-Snarls]

Most of the analysts are saying the Orioles (and to a lesser extent) the Red Sox need to acquire another quality starter in order to keep it going

 

But it seems like the quality SP rental market is pretty slim this year, no?

[Sammy225]

Most of the analysts are saying the Orioles (and to a lesser extent) the Red Sox need to acquire another quality starter in order to keep it going

 

But it seems like the quality SP rental market is pretty slim this year, no?

 

its defiantly harder with the 2nd wild card spot but there are probably options out there. The only thing is the O's really don't have much for trading chips down on the farm so they may have to subtract from their main roster to get something of value in a starting pitcher.

[Spanky99]

 

Gross...

[Grant77]

its defiantly harder with the 2nd wild card spot but there are probably options out there. The only thing is the O's really don't have much for trading chips down on the farm so they may have to subtract from their main roster to get something of value in a starting pitcher.

 

I don't know if I agree. Chance Sisco and a couple of lower level guys probably get you in the conversation on most of the available pitchers. There's always Hunter Harvey too if they want to make a Sonny Gray type splash.

[Terminator]

Jays should be in an okay spot at the deadline, assuming injuries don't play a big factor.

 

Really probably only need a reliever (with Sanchez moving there they may not even need one) and a bench player (could just call up Pompey). It won't cost much to add that. In a dream world they'd add a SP but everyone will be looking for one and they don't have the prospect capital to do it.

 

Here's to hoping the rotation stays healthy. Hutch will be our #5 soon which limits our depth so yet-to-be-stretched-out Chavez and probably LeBlanc our the #6 and #7 right now.

[G-Snarls]

I don't know if I agree. Chance Sisco and a couple of lower level guys probably get you in the conversation on most of the available pitchers. There's always Hunter Harvey too if they want to make a Sonny Gray type splash.

 

However, there will also likely no David Prices or Johnny Cuetos available this year

[Sammy225]

However, there will also likely no David Prices or Johnny Cuetos available this year

 

No. I don't think you will see any big name guys available.... Sonny Gray if dealt will probably be done in the off season when there are more teams that would be in play for him thus maximizing your return.

[Dick_Pole]

http://www.fangraphs.com/coolstandings.aspx

 

Jays are up to a 52.8% chance of making the playoffs. Only Boston, Texas and Cleveland have a higher percentage right now. Doubling from the 26% chance the Jays had three weeks ago before heading into Minnesota.

[Grant77]

http://www.fangraphs.com/coolstandings.aspx

 

Jays are up to a 52.8% chance of making the playoffs. Only Boston, Texas and Cleveland have a higher percentage right now. Doubling from the 26% chance the Jays had three weeks ago before heading into Minnesota.

 

It's hard to put much stock into a projection system that has the Royals and Twins as comparable teams going forward. Same for the White Sox and Rangers.

[Brownie19]

As I expected. Cecil needs to come back soon.. and Burns is only likely up until Tulo is healthy.

 

Really? I was hoping to see LeBlanc and Pompey or that reliever in AA who's dominating (mentioned yesterday).