Jose: 'I dont believe in hometown discounts Ive given a 5-year home discount already"

[ValiantJaysFan]

Here is the video:

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/bautista-hometown-discount-doesnt-exist-given-jays-5-year-discount/?row=0&row_id=1617493

 

Lol he's not gonna budge, you can tell just watching him in that video.

 

Someone should've asked him if he would block a trade.

[gbill2004]

My guess is Jose wants $20-25 million per season over 5 years.

[burlingtonbandit]

No its in reference of his liberal use of prospects to acquire expensive star names like Reyes and Buehrle only to have to spend more prospect capital to upgrade Reyes to Tulowitzki. Then you have the back loading of Martin's deal beyond what he was planning to stay here for.

 

Also rushing prospects towards super 2 status to further inflate salary earlier.

 

He also stole Josh Donaldson and that Martin contract so far looks really good.

[Horses Fart]

Will this be a distraction for the whole season? Hope the f*** not!

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't fault Bautista for his honestly and in his mind he is probably saying all of this now so he doesn't have to talk about it the rest of the season, but I'm sure the Jays FO isn't thrilled. Its fine for him to demand what he believes he is worth but perhaps he shouldn't have said it publicly.

[fatcowxlive]

As he should. This is the last deal he'll sign and it's going to be his only "superstar" payout he'll get. I hope he gets what he wants whether it's with or without the Jays.

[ValiantJaysFan]

Longer version of the Bautista video clip.

 

http://www.tsn.ca/bautista-not-giving-blue-jays-a-hometown-discount-1.441718

[Brownie19]

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Jose Bautista: 'I don't believe in hometown discounts. I've given this organization a 5-year hometown discount already. #BlueJays

 

 

 

 

He has a point.

 

Not sure I buy this. IMO - he should simply say "I want to get paid fair market value"......Suggesting he's given the Jays a hometown discount already - without acknowledging the Jays took on risk when they signed him long term after 1 great season is very short sighted. If he didn't provide surplus in his past deal do you think he's say "The Jays overpaid me for the past 5 years, so I'm willing to give them a discount now"? Not a chance.

[glory]

Yes, it's so awful that we have 3 of the Top 20 hitters in MLB and an ALCS run. God DAMN you, Anthopoulos!

 

That wasn't his point.

 

His point was the roster from a financial standpoint can't possibly keep this group together. From an age standpoint it wouldn't make sense to keep this group together for the expected cost. And the prospect capital traded over the last three years will make it very difficult to replace the departing free agents internally.

 

Shapiro getting blamed for something that was inevitable is definitely unfair, but that's reality.

[KingKat]

I think everyone here would sign that Martin contract over and over again.

 

I don't think it's black and white. I like the deal but it's quite unfortunate that the Martin contract could have been avoided altogether if AA hadn't traded away every young catcher not name Arencibia. Gomes/D'Arnaud and all that money to spend elsewhere would be pretty nice. In any case, the team would definitely have an easier time signing Bautista or EE if Martin wasn't on the books but at least with Martin, there was a playoff run. I'd rather win with Bautista than have him longer.

[GreekFatAss]

That wasn't his point.

 

His point was the roster from a financial standpoint can't possibly keep this group together. From an age standpoint it wouldn't make sense to keep this group together for the expected cost. And the prospect capital traded over the last three years will make it very difficult to replace the departing free agents internally.

 

Shapiro getting blamed for something that was inevitable is definitely unfair, but that's reality.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. Especially since I'm doped up on flu medicine

[SAAviour]

I'm guessing he wants 1,2 or maybe even 3 years at 30sh mil, then a couple years added after, maybe year 4 at 20 and year 5 at 15....of course $ amount spread out differently over the 5 years, perhaps back loaded.

That's 5 years at 125 mil. I'm guessing he gets close on the open market....if not exactly that.

In this case, forget the draft pick. Sign him. Rogers needs to step up. DH him in years 3-5. Say bye to Edwin unfortunately though.

[jays_fever]

100M for 5 years, would Bautista not only need around 10 War over those 5 seasons to make it decent value. He could probably reach that in the first 3 years.

 

Even 5/125 might make sense for Rogers from a PR POV

[Dr. Dinger]

That wasn't his point.

 

His point was the roster from a financial standpoint can't possibly keep this group together. From an age standpoint it wouldn't make sense to keep this group together for the expected cost. And the prospect capital traded over the last three years will make it very difficult to replace the departing free agents internally.

 

Shapiro getting blamed for something that was inevitable is definitely unfair, but that's reality.

 

I agree, AA just acquired way too many players worth $20M AAV. Goddamn him and his fiendish ways. Didn't he realize that we'd want to re-sign EE and JB in their mid-30s? Didn't he realize that his extremely team-friendly contract extensions for both would create totally unrealistic salary expectations in the minds of naive fans? Did he even consider these things at all while trading fungible prospects for MVP candidates like Tulo and JD? It's like he had zero foresight whatsoever!

[burlingtonbandit]

My guess is it is more than 5/100 perhaps even more than $125 milion. In the video he kind of took a slight jab at ownership unless I misinterpreted saying he didn't agree with the budget and how the team is set up financially.

[burlingtonbandit]

That wasn't his point.

 

His point was the roster from a financial standpoint can't possibly keep this group together. From an age standpoint it wouldn't make sense to keep this group together for the expected cost. And the prospect capital traded over the last three years will make it very difficult to replace the departing free agents internally.

 

Shapiro getting blamed for something that was inevitable is definitely unfair, but that's reality.

 

Reversing the Tulo and Donaldson trades aren't making the Jays a better team this year or for the next 3 years. Have to remember if the Jays don't make the playoffs last year payroll is probably lower than $120 million.

[Dr. Dinger]

Reversing the Tulo and Donaldson trades aren't making the Jays a better team this year or for the next 3 years. Have to remember if the Jays don't make the playoffs last year payroll is probably lower than $120 million.

 

The Dickey trade is the only time we really got burned trading prospects, and yes it was bad. It's kind of hilarious how badly out of proportion it gets blown, while the equally rapey Donaldson trade gets completely filed under "what have you done for me this week?"

[Dick_Pole]

I don't mind him thinking like this. But if these quotes attributed to him are actually his, this is f***ing stupid to say right now. The last thing we need is a cancer type of situation for this club like in 2013.

 

As a Jays fan, is it too hard of a request to wish for an injury-free, cohesive 2016 team that slaps each other on the butts and sings Kumbaya on route to a 100-win season and a World Series win before the question marks of 2017 start to surface?

[KingKat]

Reversing the Tulo and Donaldson trades aren't making the Jays a better team this year or for the next 3 years. Have to remember if the Jays don't make the playoffs last year payroll is probably lower than $120 million.

 

Pretty much everything wrong with the team can be traced back to the disastrous 2012-2013. So much payroll flexibility, so much prospect capital and some actually good controllable assets all flushed down the toilet for a playoff run that didn't even happen. The moves made after that were pretty smart in terms of trying to at least get to the playoffs before s*** hit the fan. No one want's to undo Donaldson, Tulowitzky, Martin but if you could get back Yan Gomes, Noah Syndergard, Anthony Desclafani and get back all the money wasted on Reyes, Johnson, Dickey, you would do that in a heartbeat.

[Dr. Dinger]

I don't mind him thinking like this. But if these quotes attributed to him are actually his, this is f***ing stupid to say right now. The last thing we need is a cancer type of situation for this club like in 2013.

 

Jose can't win. He's getting asked about contract extensions probably every day. Would you rather he lied and created unrealistic expectations that he will re-sign?

 

The Jays have paid Bautista $56M on this extension so far and have collected 18.1 WAR for their money, or a staggeringly juicy $3M/WAR. That's less than half of market value over the course of the deal. Even if Bautista didn't play a game this year, we'd still have made a killing on that contract ($3.8M/WAR vs somewhere between $6-8M/WAR @ market rate). Pay the man or else let someone else do it. He's earned it.

[burlingtonbandit]

Pretty much everything wrong with the team can be traced back to the disastrous 2012-2013. So much payroll flexibility, so much prospect capital and some actually good controllable assets all flushed down the toilet for a playoff run that didn't even happen. The moves made after that were pretty smart in terms of trying to at least get to the playoffs before s*** hit the fan. No one want's to undo Donaldson, Tulowitzky, Martin but if you could get back Yan Gomes, Noah Syndergard, Anthony Desclafani and get back all the money wasted on Reyes, Johnson, Dickey, you would do that in a heartbeat.

 

Every team would love to keep all the trades that worked out and get a do-over on the ones that didn't... Doesn't exactly work like that.

 

Also can we stop with the Yan Gomes deal. Thats like Pirates fans complaining about the Jose Bautista trade.

[Dick_Pole]

Holy f*** if Shapiro can't handle the Jays financial and roster situation in 2016 and beyond and the media/fan scrutiny that comes with any mediocre performance, then maybe he shouldn't have applied for the job? No need for the apologists to start showing up now.

 

AA inherited a team from Ricciardi/Godfrey that was destined to roam in the desert for 40 years based on his s***** draft record and decent ability to fill out a 25-man roster with not completely useless players given budget constraints around the Wells albatross contract. I'm sure Shapiro and Atkins can work with what they have, and if they can't they rightly deserve to be tarred and feathered.

[Sammy225]

Jose and his agent are not stupid... Next years FA pool is not strong and he will be the best bat available i think unless i am missing someone. I fully expected him to go to free agency and get his big pay day that he never got.

[gbill2004]

I agree, AA just acquired way too many players worth $20M AAV. Goddamn him and his fiendish ways. Didn't he realize that we'd want to re-sign EE and JB in their mid-30s? Didn't he realize that his extremely team-friendly contract extensions for both would create totally unrealistic salary expectations in the minds of naive fans? Did he even consider these things at all while trading fungible prospects for MVP candidates like Tulo and JD? It's like he had zero foresight whatsoever!

I think AA acquired these $20AAV players like Martin, Donaldson and Tulo with the expectation that he wouldn't be able to sign both Edwin and Jose. AA was planning ahead for this. AA wanted ot ensure he'd still have a solid middle of the order.

[Sammy225]

Holy f*** if Shapiro can't handle the Jays financial and roster situation in 2016 and beyond and the media/fan scrutiny that comes with any mediocre performance, then maybe he shouldn't have applied for the job? No need for the apologists to start showing up now.

 

AA inherited a team from Ricciardi/Godfrey that was destined to roam in the desert for 40 years based on his s***** draft record and decent ability to fill out a 25-man roster with not completely useless players given budget constraints around the Wells albatross contract. I'm sure Shapiro and Atkins can work with what they have, and if they can't they rightly deserve to be tarred and feathered.

 

So your saying that if Shapiro/Atkins can't keep all these (expensive) players on he should be pegged as a failure? Is that what your saying?

[RealAccountant]

Sigh. It's all been downhill since AA left

[glory]

I agree, AA just acquired way too many players worth $20M AAV. Goddamn him and his fiendish ways. Didn't he realize that we'd want to re-sign EE and JB in their mid-30s? Didn't he realize that his extremely team-friendly contract extensions for both would create totally unrealistic salary expectations in the minds of naive fans? Did he even consider these things at all while trading fungible prospects for MVP candidates like Tulo and JD? It's like he had zero foresight whatsoever!

 

Grouping Donaldson with every other trade he has made the last three years (Marlins, Dickey, Price, Tulo) doesn't make the sum better. Trading prospects for four years of arbitration versus prospects for huge free agent contracts attached to players in their 30's doesn't quite mean the same thing.

[Dick_Pole]

Jose can't win. He's getting asked about contract extensions probably every day. Would you rather he lied and created unrealistic expectations that he will re-sign?

 

The Jays have paid Bautista $56M on this extension so far and have collected 18.1 WAR for their money, or a staggeringly juicy $3M/WAR. That's less than half of market value over the course of the deal. Even if Bautista didn't play a game this year, we'd still have made a killing on that contract ($3.8M/WAR vs somewhere between $6-8M/WAR @ market rate). Pay the man or else let someone else do it. He's earned it.

 

For a man like Jose who is supposedly of above average intelligence compared to the regular joe baseball player, there is a better way to communicate this stuff to at least maintain optics than the comments that have been attributed to him in this thread. I hope it's not a product of him being angry at or feel insulted by the new regime.

[gbill2004]

For a man like Jose who is supposedly of above average intelligence compared to the regular joe baseball player, there is a better way to communicate this stuff to at least maintain optics than the comments that have been attributed to him in this thread. I hope it's not a product of him being angry at or feel insulted by the new regime.

 

Jose has never been afraid of letting the media know what he thinks. It's just the way he is...

[L54]

Jose and his agent are not stupid... Next years FA pool is not strong and he will be the best bat available i think unless i am missing someone. I fully expected him to go to free agency and get his big pay day that he never got.

 

f*** that he never got it. The org gave him his pay day when he could've been just flash in the pan. Let's not act like Jose Bautista was forced to sign here for pennies on the dollar due to some bizarre circumstance.