Revere to the Nats in 3...2...1

[ElNik2013]

Not sure why everyone is so excited about this trade.

 

We just traded a 2-WAR player for a 1-WAR player, while taking on higher salary, and having only one year of control instead of two.

Better hope Pompey works out this year, or this trade is gonna be looking really bad, when we start trotting Colabello out in left field again next year.

 

 

I think people look at where the team's needs are. However, it's interesting that so many hated the Lind for Estrada trade last year even though team got a SP and $aved in the process. People also loved trading 1 year of Happ for 2 years of Saunders, of course, Saunders projected better than Revere and made le$$.

[Abomination]

Obviously if it comes down to it, Shapiro is not going to allow Colabello to be the regular LF. AA is gone, remember?

 

He did allow Swisher to make some starts out there the previous two years. Swisher wasn't as bad as Colabello in the OF (probably because of experience), but he wasn't exactly great either.

[glory]

I am not a Sanchez fan but with this front office I am willing to give him a shot. They aren't going to look at ERA and conclude that he is doing fine like AA did. They have a history in Cleveland of helping pitchers and maybe they'll actually try to make Sanchez a better pitcher rather than accept him for who he is like the old regime did. Plus, it's not like he is a lights out reliever either. He has flaws in the pen as well (lack of K's, trouble against lefties).

[BTS]

Not sure why everyone is so excited about this trade.

 

We just traded a 2-WAR player for a 1-WAR player, while taking on higher salary, and having only one year of control instead of two.

Better hope Pompey works out this year, or this trade is gonna be looking really bad, when we start trotting Colabello out in left field again next year.

 

I don't really understand why people keep talking about a hole being filled, without mentioning that one of a similar size was opened up. Another shoe has to drop before this can be called a positive, but until that happens they've subtracted 1-2 outfield wins and added them to the pen. That's fine, but the team isn't better. Yet.

 

I guess it's likely that Storen at 1/8 was better than the free agent relief market, and they think they can add an OF more efficiently than they would have been able to add a reliever. I hope this is the case.

[King]

Brendan Kennedy ‏@BKennedyStar 9m9 minutes ago

Storen says he doesn't care how he fits into the back end of the #BlueJays' bullpen, says all of the last nine outs are important.

 

John Lott ‏@LottOnBaseball 1m1 minute ago

Drew Storen: Whether I close or set up, “it’s something for me that’s not all that important.” #BlueJays

 

This is actually refreshing. At least we required a reliever who won't have a hissy fit if he isn't seeing save situations.

[Jonn]

Brendan Kennedy ‏@BKennedyStar 9m9 minutes ago

Storen says he doesn't care how he fits into the back end of the #BlueJays' bullpen, says all of the last nine outs are important.

 

John Lott ‏@LottOnBaseball 1m1 minute ago

Drew Storen: Whether I close or set up, “it’s something for me that’s not all that important.” #BlueJays

 

This is actually refreshing. At least we required a reliever who won't have a hissy fit if he isn't seeing save situations.

 

He should still close though. Have Osuna focus on a rotation spot and if he falls short he gets one of the set up roles. Having Osuna, Cecil, and Storen finishing games should give us all quite a bit of confidence.

[Grant77]

I am not a Sanchez fan but with this front office I am willing to give him a shot. They aren't going to look at ERA and conclude that he is doing fine like AA did. They have a history in Cleveland of helping pitchers and maybe they'll actually try to make Sanchez a better pitcher rather than accept him for who he is like the old regime did. Plus, it's not like he is a lights out reliever either. He has flaws in the pen as well (lack of K's, trouble against lefties).

 

If Aaron Sanchez isn't a lights out reliever, then I don't know who is. Over the past 2 years, he is 5th in ERA behind Davis, Betances, Giles, and O'Day with a 1.67 mark. Opponents have hit a paltry .149 against him, beaten only by Wade Davis. He has walked only 2.43/9 and is also top 5 in groundballs at 66.7%.

 

I support using him as a starter, but get your facts straight.

[AdamGreenwood]

Brendan Kennedy ‏@BKennedyStar 9m9 minutes ago

Storen says he doesn't care how he fits into the back end of the #BlueJays' bullpen, says all of the last nine outs are important.

 

John Lott ‏@LottOnBaseball 1m1 minute ago

Drew Storen: Whether I close or set up, “it’s something for me that’s not all that important.” #BlueJays

 

This is actually refreshing. At least we required a reliever who won't have a hissy fit if he isn't seeing save situations.

 

He'll be the closer. Book it.

If the Jays let any of the young guys close, then their arb salaries will go up as a result of collecting saves. They'll only have Osuna or one of the others close if they're desperate.

[closetjaysfan]

This is exactly what we needed: surplus in the outfield with Bautista, Pillar, Pompey, Saunders, Revere... Colabello (please shoot me in the f***ing face if that happens again). For a above average bullpen piece.

[AdamGreenwood]

I don't really understand why people keep talking about a hole being filled, without mentioning that one of a similar size was opened up. Another shoe has to drop before this can be called a positive, but until that happens they've subtracted 1-2 outfield wins and added them to the pen. That's fine, but the team isn't better. Yet.

 

I guess it's likely that Storen at 1/8 was better than the free agent relief market, and they think they can add an OF more efficiently than they would have been able to add a reliever. I hope this is the case.

 

Actually, I forgot about Saunders coming back. Between him and Pompey, one of them should be able to stick and stay healthy.

[RealAccountant]

I don't dislike the Osuna fighting for a rotation spot assuming he stretches out the mlb not in AAA

 

Not all WAR is the same. It's easier to replace 2 WAR in LF then it is to find a reliever that is projected at 1 WAR. Pompey/Saunders will replace Revere and nothing will be lost whole we likely upgraded a replacement level reliever with Storen

[Stangstag]

He was up there to make contact. That is his specialty. He has got to have enough sense

 

Mind you in a key bat in game 5 against Rangers he also hit a very weak grounder and didn't get the run home. Followed by a crucial mistake of not following the ball on the Donaldson loope misplay.

 

Not to glorify clutch at bats but his so called contact skills are over rated. He is a below average defender who significantly relies on a high babip (30 points higher than avg). He isn't that you either.

 

Pompey > Revere

 

Put Pompey full time in LF he probably out WARs Revere.

 

Wow.

[King]

If Aaron Sanchez isn't a lights out reliever, then I don't know who is.

 

Josh Collmenter! 1.91 ERA over the past two season as a reliever with the same amount of IP as Sanchez.

[ElNik2013]

I'm pretty high on Pompey so I'm not that worried about a hole in LF.

[Stangstag]

If Aaron Sanchez isn't a lights out reliever, then I don't know who is. Over the past 2 years, he is 5th in ERA behind Davis, Betances, Giles, and O'Day with a 1.67 mark. Opponents have hit a paltry .149 against him, beaten only by Wade Davis. He has walked only 2.43/9 and is also top 5 in groundballs at 66.7%.

 

I support using him as a starter, but get your facts straight.

 

Lol. What the f*** is happening in this thread?

[Grant77]

Josh Collmenter! 1.91 ERA over the past two season as a reliever with the same amount of IP as Sanchez.

 

Yeah, he's done a fine job as a reliever.

[spittin]

If Aaron Sanchez isn't a lights out reliever, then I don't know who is. Over the past 2 years, he is 5th in ERA behind Davis, Betances, Giles, and O'Day with a 1.67 mark. Opponents have hit a paltry .149 against him, beaten only by Wade Davis. He has walked only 2.43/9 and is also top 5 in groundballs at 66.7%.

 

I support using him as a starter, but get your facts straight.

 

Lol, get your facts straight? What's his K/9? He had a 1.39 K/BB over 80 IP last year which is pretty terrible regardless of his GB rate, you're a dumbass.

[Grant77]

I don't dislike the Osuna fighting for a rotation spot assuming he stretches out the mlb not in AAA

 

Not all WAR is the same. It's easier to replace 2 WAR in LF then it is to find a reliever that is projected at 1 WAR. Pompey/Saunders will replace Revere and nothing will be lost whole we likely upgraded a replacement level reliever with Storen

 

No it isn't. That's the whole point of WAR, it adjusts for positional strengths.

 

Joe Blanton was better and projects to be better than Storen if you want that kind of counterargument.

[glory]

If Aaron Sanchez isn't a lights out reliever, then I don't know who is. Over the past 2 years, he is 5th in ERA behind Davis, Betances, Giles, and O'Day with a 1.67 mark. Opponents have hit a paltry .149 against him, beaten only by Wade Davis. He has walked only 2.43/9 and is also top 5 in groundballs at 66.7%.

 

I support using him as a starter, but get your facts straight.

 

If the facts are centered around ERA and opponents BA, then I don't want to get them straight.

 

He's a good reliever. If you think he's lights out or a late inning guy, at least based on his current performance, then we will just agree to disagree. I don't trust him with runners on base (too much contact), or to get lefties out consistently. Those things are kind of important.

[TilsonBritoFan]

the way this board undervalues ben revere is very disheartening.

the way this board overvalues relievers is alarming.

 

we just traded a rock solid 2 WAR position player with more control at less cost for a 1 WAR reliever. now our OF depth will be supremely tested. jose is what he is (aging elite bat with poor defense). i am skeptical about Pillar's offense due to his 'approach'. hes my favorite jay right now but hes not beyond reproach. over time hes more likely to get exposed than continue his smoke and mirrors act on offense unless he makes a real adjustment. it wont matter as much if hes playing stellar defense but i liked our OF when our biggest question mark was Pillar's bat. now we gotta worry about his bat, saunders knee, colabello's 'glove', and pompeys everything. a lot of question marks just got magnified in our OF. i am more comfortable piecing the bullpen together than the OF.

 

You realize Pompey, as bad as he has been, has a higher career OPS than Revere, right? And he's a better defender?

 

Storen for Revere is a solid move that just makes sense on all levels.

[jaysguy44]

If Aaron Sanchez isn't a lights out reliever, then I don't know who is. Over the past 2 years, he is 5th in ERA behind Davis, Betances, Giles, and O'Day with a 1.67 mark. Opponents have hit a paltry .149 against him, beaten only by Wade Davis. He has walked only 2.43/9 and is also top 5 in groundballs at 66.7%.

 

I support using him as a starter, but get your facts straight.

 

Is this true.... wtf

[TilsonBritoFan]

Did I say Rajai Davis I meant Fred Lewis

 

Ben Revere is a left handed Rajai Davis

[Grant77]

Lol, get your facts straight? What's his K/9? He had a 1.39 K/BB over 80 IP last year which is pretty terrible regardless of his GB rate, you're a dumbass.

 

Now you're changing what you said. He hasn't been the same pitcher as a starter, so don't cherry pick your information to suit your argument.

 

As a reliever he's been absolutely dominant. There's no getting around that fact. You are wrong.

[Grant77]

Is this true.... wtf

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=50&type=1&season=2015&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=10,a

[TilsonBritoFan]

Not sure why everyone is so excited about this trade.

 

We just traded a 2-WAR player for a 1-WAR player, while taking on higher salary, and having only one year of control instead of two.

Better hope Pompey works out this year, or this trade is gonna be looking really bad, when we start trotting Colabello out in left field again next year.

 

There is no f***ing we way we see CC in LF for even 1 inning next year. Step back from the ledge, its a good trade.

[glory]

Lol. What the f*** is happening in this thread?

 

We learned that John Gibbons isn't the only person on the planet who thinks Sanchez is like Betances. At least Gibby won't be lonely anymore.

[spittin]

Now you're changing what you said. He hasn't been the same pitcher as a starter, so don't cherry pick your information to suit your argument.

 

As a reliever he's been absolutely dominant. There's no getting around that fact. You are wrong.

 

You're argument was for him to be used a starter though..you're argument was cherry picking, I just sprinkled in some s***** numbers to debunk your bs.

[burlingtonbandit]

I see a lot of people assuming Pompey will start. I think the blue jays see Saunders as the starting LF and Pompey as 4th OF/AAA/

[TilsonBritoFan]

I'm pretty high on Pompey so I'm not that worried about a hole in LF.

 

I'm with you on this. Really excited to see Pompey I hope he gets 400 AB this year

[spittin]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=50&type=1&season=2015&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=10,a

 

Cool, a .182 Babip is not a red flag at all. Everyone else on that leader board is substantially closer to league average so once that happens to Sanchez he's going to be mediocre at best without some serious improvements in his skill.