Jays acquire Jesse Chavez

[Abomination]

Chavez is only entering his age-32 season. I wonder of the team tries to get him on a multi-year extension. Hendriks is a tough piece to give up though. 4 years of a very good reliever, or possibly a good starter.

 

My first thought is that I don't love this, but if Chavez signs away some free agent years for a reasonable price it could turn out well.

 

I don't think it's bad even without an extension. Chavez has been solid, and if he can make 30 starts, will probably put up 2.5 WAR or higher. That's pretty damn good for ~$5M. Maybe Hendriks continues to be great, maybe he doesn't. Assuming health, Chavez is probably worth 2 seasons of Hendriks directly. If we consider that picking up a guy like Chavez on the FA market probably costs 3 years @ ~10M per, then that makes it even nicer. I think this is a very nice deal for both teams.

[closetjaysfan]

For Hendricks, this cuts his family's flight time down to 15 hrs or so.

[o2cui2i]

1) I really liked Hendriks

 

2) I really hated the way Gibbons used Hendriks

 

3) If Gibbons is still going to use Hendriks as a mod up guy he might as well get traded.

 

4) if we made this trade because Gibbons refuses or doesn't know how to use players shouldn't it be Gibbons who is leaving?

[Laika]

Hendriks is good and all but he's also a glaring example of how easy it can be to find good relievers.

 

Toronto's need at SP and position on the win curve are factors that need to be considered here. It's not as simple as 4 years of this WAR vs 1 year of this WAR.

 

Jesse Chavez is also a cool dude. Skinny and tatted. Him and Osuna can chill and do whatever it is that Mexicans do. Smoke burritos?

[Orgfiller]

If history has taught us anything it's that the Jays will inexplicably reacquire Hendriks later on.

[ValiantJaysFan]

Shapiro probably sees this trade as a 13 million dollar savings for 2016. To me it is a subtle hint that the FO doesnt favor the free agent market.

 

Or clearing money off the books to sign someone.

[Spanky99]

This is very, very nice

 

Yes.

[Grant77]

You think it costs 2/20 to buy out his first two free agent years? A few million less would make be a lot more comfortable.

 

If Chavez is confident that he can put up another 2 WAR season, I don't see why he'd take any less.

 

I really don't know, though. If his value is less than 10 mil on the open market, then what did we just trade Hendriks for? 3 million in savings?

[burlingtonbandit]

Gibbons wasn't using Hendriks properly and keeping Gibbons around in what was an otherwise tumultuous off-season is probably a good move to give the players a sense of continuity and make them happy. Because of all this it's probably for the best to cash in a good player who might have been wasted again but that being said we have to be prepared for Oakland to make Gibby and the Jays looks silly if and when they do use Hendriks properly. Chavez is not nothing. He will contribute significantly but Hendriks will probably contribute more for Oakland. He might even do it as soon as year one.

 

If the Jays traded Sanchez it would of forced him to use Hendriks in the role. I think that is what makes me not like the trade. Sanchez likely still won't be able to get LHH out and be used in the 8th inning.

[Inklink]

For Hendricks, this cuts his family's flight time down to 15 hrs or so.

 

And gets a dirty Habs fan off the team.

[BTS]

If Chavez is confident that he can put up another 2 WAR season, I don't see why he'd take any less.

 

I really don't know, though. If his value is less than 10 mil on the open market, then what did we just trade Hendriks for? 3 million in savings?

 

Would you do 3/25?

[burlingtonbandit]

For Hendricks, this cuts his family's flight time down to 15 hrs or so.

 

Funny thing is his wife is Canadian so its likely worse for his family.

[Spanky99]

Now a big fatty, in...

 

Everything likely posted in this thread...

[Jonn]

Hopefuly LeCava or however you spell it isn't GM for much longer.

[Effit]

And gets a dirty Habs fan off the team.

 

Lol! I was waiting for someone to bring that up.

[KingKat]

this was a sell high on Hendriks for a guy with a better track record

 

understandable trade given the Jays circumstances

 

fair trade

 

I don't really see how this is a sell high on Hendriks. If he had been used as a closer and his value had been boosted that way, there would have been a sell high opportunity but as it is, it's actually a terrific buy low for the A's who recognized correctly that there was some seriously underused talent here. At worst, the A's have a terrific reliever that they could give way more leverage too than the Jays did or they might quite possibly have a starter of similar calibre to Chavez at less cost and with many more years of control. Chavez could work out fine for the Jays in his one season but the A's could end up with an absolute steal.

[nmrch]

Yeah they kinda do lol

 

If history has taught us anything it's that the Jays will inexplicably reacquire Hendriks later on.

 

lucking into a good reliever and finding one when you're looking for it is not the same thing. The Jays lucked into Hendriks but if they're looking to replace his production right now at 4 years of control they'll have a tough time finding it. How many relievers are out there that equivalent to Hendriks with 4 years of control that we can get for Drew Hutchison?

 

edit: should say one year of Drew Hutchison

[Angrioter]

interesting logic, how can you be a volatile reliever while only having relieved for a year? All RP's are volatile anyways, it doesn't mean you sell them for 10 cents on the dollar which is what the Jays did right now.

2013: Stevie Delabar ACE RELIVA

2014: Stevie Delabar s*** RELIVA

[Spanky99]

Hopefuly LeCava or however you spell it isn't GM for much longer.

 

LaCava dumn, dumn.

[burlingtonbandit]

If Chavez is confident that he can put up another 2 WAR season, I don't see why he'd take any less.

 

I really don't know, though. If his value is less than 10 mil on the open market, then what did we just trade Hendriks for? 3 million in savings?

 

FA SP market next year is pretty bad too. If he puts up a 2.5 Win season he could get over 50 million.

[glory]

Trade for Randall Delgado now. Derp Stewart is due for a bad trade.

[Jonn]

LaCava dumn, dumn.

 

His name is dumb.

[Rajais Mitten]

Don't mind the deal really. What I hope this means is that they are looking to focus more on obtaining a solid front line guy for the rotation. Looks to me that their thought behind this could have been that it would be easier to fill Hendriks role either in house or with some cheaper 1 year options instead of trying to sign someone to be that 5th starter.

[GD]

If history has taught us anything it's that the Jays will inexplicably reacquire Hendriks later on.

 

Probably for Erik Kratz.

[Grant77]

Would you do 3/25?

 

If we're committed to adding more rotation pieces, then probably not right now. If money is tighter than expected and he's the 4th starter, then yes. I think it would be good value for us.

[Spanky99]

I'd rather have Hendriks. I guess this confirms how s***** our rotation is going to look next year.

 

Stroman

Estrada

Dickey

Chavez

Hutchison

 

 

Yer dumn... Jonn.

[Jimcanuck]

I don't really see how this is a sell high on Hendriks. If he had been used as a closer and his value had been boosted that way, there would have been a sell high opportunity but as it is, it's actually a terrific buy low for the A's who recognized correctly that there was some seriously underused talent here. At worst, the A's have a terrific reliever that they could give way more leverage too than the Jays did or they might quite possibly have a starter of similar calibre to Chavez at less cost and with many more years of control. Chavez could work out fine for the Jays in his one season but the A's could end up with an absolute steal.

 

sure, either team could win the deal. thats baseball

 

steamer has chavez at 2.2 war, hendriks at 0.7 war in 2016

[KingKat]

If the Jays traded Sanchez it would of forced him to use Hendriks in the role. I think that is what makes me not like the trade. Sanchez likely still won't be able to get LHH out and be used in the 8th inning.

 

This trade doesn't necessarily mean that Sanchez won't get traded and possibly in a more interesting trade. Not saying it will happen but you have to kind of see how things play out before you attack the trade from that angle AND that's assuming that the A's wanted Sanchez in the first place. We have no idea how the A's value Sanchez. For all we know, they might be laughing at the Jays for giving so much more leverage to Sanchez than to Hendriks.

[Nafro]

lucking into a good reliever and finding one when you're looking for it is not the same thing. The Jays lucked into Hendriks but if they're looking to replace his production right now at 4 years of control they'll have a tough time finding it. How many relievers are out there that equivalent to Hendriks with 4 years of control that we can get for Drew Hutchison?

 

edit: should say one year of Drew Hutchison

 

Ben Rowan, Brady Dragmire, Blake McFarland?

[KingKat]

And gets a dirty Habs fan off the team.

 

I couldn't give a rat's ass about the Leafs but this absurd angle on the trade did come to mind almost immediately.