Awful Carrasco Trade Ideas Thread

[G-Snarls]

I think it depends on the team need. Cleveland, for instance, has a strong need for DRS in the outfield, so Pillar would carry more value to them than other teams.

 

I just read an interesting article on jaysjournal about potential trade proposals to acquire Carrasco/Salazar, and, although they undervalued them, they made an interesting point about us taking on the $17.5M contract of Chris Johnson as well, to lower the cost of the deal. I think taking on Johnson's 2-yr deal which projects to be $9M/yr of dead money could actually help us land Carrasco for cheaper.

 

How weird would it be if the Jays first move was a trade with Cleveland before Shapiro even gets a new general manager. I bet MLB wouldn't like that very much.

[THANOS]

How weird would it be if the Jays first move was a trade with Cleveland before Shapiro even gets a new general manager. I bet MLB wouldn't like that very much.

 

It would be weird for sure, but I think it would be a fair deal, especially since Antonetti would not want to disrespect Shapiro and vice versa. Cleveland has a need for controllable young players at DH/1st (with Santana coming off the books after 2016), OF (they were awful in DRS there), and 3rd. Their payroll was also their highest since 2001, so cutting or spreading their resources better may be their goal.

 

I think Pillar, Colabello, and Urena (switch him to 3rd) for Carrasco and Johnson ($17.5M of dead money over 2 seasons), could actually get it done.

[BTS]

It would be weird for sure, but I think it would be a fair deal, especially since Antonetti would not want to disrespect Shapiro and vice versa. Cleveland has a need for controllable young players at DH/1st (with Santana coming off the books after 2016), OF (they were awful in DRS there), and 3rd. Their payroll was also their highest since 2001, so cutting or spreading their resources better may be their goal.

 

I think Pillar, Colabello, and Urena for Carrasco and Johnson ($17.5M of dead money over 2 seasons), could actually get it done.

 

Not even close.

[THANOS]

Not even close.

 

You don't think taking on Chris Johnson's dead contract wouldn't lower Carrasco's value a lot?

 

Maybe add Tellez.

[BTS]

You don't think taking on Chris Johnson's dead contract wouldn't lower Carrasco's value of lot?

 

Not really. If you're trading an elite player like Carrasco you're not going to significantly water down your return to save $17M or whatever.

[THANOS]

Not really. If you're trading an elite player like Carrasco you're not going to significantly water down your return to save $17M or whatever.

 

I think you underestimate the impact that can have on small market penny pinching teams. Johnson projects to have negative WAR by steamer next year at $9M, and to a team that would rather sit around a sub $80M payroll, that could be greatly tying their hands up.

 

If you add in the controllable years of one of Hutch/Sanchez and perhaps Tellez, I think that would certainly be considered.

[BTS]

It's kind of amazing how much Chris Johnson's 2013 looks like Chris Colabello's 2015. What an awful extension that was.

[THANOS]

It's kind of amazing how much Chris Johnson's 2013 looks like Chris Colabello's 2015. What an awful extension that was.

 

It's absolutely putrid and resembles 11% of their payroll, and if the budget is closer to their average the past 10 years, then it could be closer to 15%. That's why I think taking that on could help us get Carrasco for less.

[BTS]

It's absolutely putrid and resembles 11% of their payroll, and if the budget is closer to their average the past 10 years, then it could be closer to 15%. That's why I think taking that on could help us get Carrasco for less.

 

Or they could just eat the cash and trade him for like Puig or something instead of Pillar, some spare parts, and enough cash to sign Mike Pelfrey.

[THANOS]

Or they could just eat the cash and trade him for like Puig or something instead of Pillar, some spare parts, and enough cash to sign Mike Pelfrey.

 

True, they could do that, but regardless I think one of Carrasco/Salazar is traded this off-season, I just hope it's to us.

[Jimcanuck]

Pillar, Osuna, Alford might get it done.

 

Who hangs up first?

[BTS]

Pillar, Osuna, Alford might get it done.

 

Who hangs up first?

 

That's probably the most fair proposal yet.

[Jimcanuck]

That's probably the most fair proposal yet.

 

but if i'm shapiro i don't do it

[Stangstag]

I'd offer Goins, Colabello, Revere, and their choice between Kawasaki or Diaz.

 

Not sure if that's an overpay though.

[Dr. Dinger]

Pillar, Osuna, Alford might get it done.

 

Who hangs up first?

 

I'm guessing they both hang up at roughly the same time after saying goodbye politely.

[Dr. Dinger]

I really wonder why Cleveland is so eager to trade one of their 3 aces. In any case, clearly their area of need is OF, so I'm guessing they'd ask for Pompey or Alford, and probably both.

[Jimcanuck]

Last season was Alford's 1st real pro season. He carried a 150 wRC across A and A+ after averaging TEN (10) games of pro baseball the previous 3 seasons.

 

He dropped his K rate to 19.2% in A+.

 

This guy has superstar potential.

 

Hope the Jays hang on.

[Dr. Dinger]

Last season was Alford's 1st real pro season. He carried a 150 wRC across A and A+ after averaging TEN (10) games of pro baseball the previous 3 seasons.

 

He dropped his K rate to 19.2% in A+.

 

This guy has superstar potential.

 

Hope the Jays hang on.

 

Ok, but to play devil's advocate, he hasn't really shown any power. It would be nice to keep him, sure. He could have Brantley-esque upside. But if he can land us a legit ace on a cheap contract, he's gone.

[McDude]

Pillar, Osuna, Alford might get it done.

 

Who hangs up first?

 

Thats a steal for the jays IMO

[Krylian]

Alford, Sanchez, SRF, Urena

[King]

Stroman + Pillar + Osuna

[Jimcanuck]

Stroman + Pillar + Osuna

 

Not sure I would do Stro straight up for Carrasco, considering their respective ages ie. Carrasco at peak, Stro a few years from his

[Jimcanuck]

Thats a steal for the jays IMO

 

No. Pillar and Osuna likely match Carrasco in WAR over the remaining life of his contract, and Alford profiles as an elite OF, consistent 3 WAR or greater.

 

It's a tough one for the Jays to make IMO.

[BTS]

Not sure I would do Stro straight up for Carrasco, considering their respective ages ie. Carrasco at peak, Stro a few years from his

 

Same years of team control though (I think). You can't consider Stroman's free agent years as assets.

[Jimcanuck]

Same years of team control though (I think). You can't consider Stroman's free agent years as assets.

 

I'm not

[GD]

Same years of team control though (I think). You can't consider Stroman's free agent years as assets.

 

Doesn't Stroman have a couple more years of control?

[burlingtonbandit]

I really wonder why Cleveland is so eager to trade one of their 3 aces. In any case, clearly their area of need is OF, so I'm guessing they'd ask for Pompey or Alford, and probably both.

 

They probably think Carrasco is at his peak value. There are real injury concerns with him and if they don't think they will win the division this year maybe they try to be better in 2017. Brantley is out 5-6 months IIRC so maybe they factor that into their decision making.

[Dr Negative]

I think the only way we are getting Carrasco is if incoming Transport Minister Marc Garneau declares the moon Canadian territory, sells it to Rogers, and then Rogers subsequently spin it off in a deal for Carrasco.

[GD]

They probably think Carrasco is at his peak value. There are real injury concerns with him and if they don't think they will win the division this year maybe they try to be better in 2017. Brantley is out 5-6 months IIRC so maybe they factor that into their decision making.

 

As opposed to every other pitcher, ever

[dineke]

I'd be sad if they trade their first great homegrown player since halladay even if it was for carassco.