Alex Anthopoulos Departing

[nonamejays]

Apparently Francona has an opt-out clause that was triggered when Shapiro left(?). I would love it if Francona comes here

 

That would work for me as well. Francona's one of my favourite coaches in the MLB.

[Grant77]

Quit calling the Price trade terrible, please. He went 9-1 with a 2.30 ERA in a ton of innings, helping to lead us to the division title. Norris is the cost of a pitcher of his caliber, not egregious at all.

[fatcowxlive]

Jamie Campbell so far has been the most optimistic on the radio so far. Hes bringing up a lot of good points.

 

He just said that most of the people online that are outraged are bandwagoners that hopped on this year

[KingKat]

What if all these trades AA made were already with the knowledge that Rogers was going with Shapiro and it was a last ditch effort on his part to win. If the Jays don't win last year AA does not have many prospects for another GM job

 

This seems possible.

[KingKat]

Lott has been chiming in... https://twitter.com/LottOnBaseball

 

Says that got into a power struggle that he was bound to lose.

[fatcowxlive]

Quit calling the Price trade terrible, please. He went 9-1 with a 2.30 ERA in a ton of innings, helping to lead us to the division title. Norris is the cost of a pitcher of his caliber, not egregious at all.

 

lol

 

I agree with you, no one can really be against the Price deal. He was the turning point of year. The last time we had someone like him on the mound was Halladay. If that trade wasn't made we wouldn't have won the division

[HERPDERP]

before the trade deadline the Toronto payroll was not much more than KC. Also when did NY become a small market?

 

4 teams in the bottom half of the league were under the Jays and made the post season

 

http://deadspin.com/2015-payrolls-and-salaries-for-every-mlb-team-1695040045

[fatcowxlive]

Campbell knows who to jerk off from this point forward. Can't wait for Wilner now. Would love to see him quickly become the new man's pet boy

 

Wilner was on earlier, wasn't too happy with the situation.

[HERPDERP]

Jamie Campbell so far has been the most optimistic on the radio so far. Hes bringing up a lot of good points.

 

He just said that most of the people online that are outraged are bandwagoners that hopped on this year

 

My outrage more stems with the purported comments that Shapiro ripped into AA for trading away blue chips, which leads me to believe that Shapiro wants to run this team differently.

 

I think AA is replaceable. He's not great, not terrible, but above average. Right now I don't see anyone better than him as a candidate. But I'm more mad at what this means in terms of team direction.

[BTS]

lol

 

I agree with you, no one can really be against the Price deal. He was the turning point of year. The last time we had someone like him on the mound was Halladay. If that trade wasn't made we wouldn't have won the division

 

Rentals in general are inefficient wastes of assets.

[Boxcar]

Well he wasn't 'fired' but I know what you're saying . I hope you're wrong though, I hope Rogers told him not to f*** up the team and go into a rebuilding mode. AA in 5 years cleaned up JP Riccardi's mess, rebuilt the farm, and constructed a team that won the AL East and took it to Game 6 of the ALCS. If we do worse this year people will be after Shapiro's head. He's in a high pressure situation IMO

 

JP Ricciardi had better teams for the payroll he was given than pretty much any team AA put on the field. It's ridiculous that people are completely ignoring the implications payroll has on the quality of the team.

[KingKat]

Campbell knows who to jerk off from this point forward. Can't wait for Wilner now. Would love to see him quickly become the new man's pet boy

 

I thought that was interesting from Wilner: I can also confirm that Anthopoulos is not leaving for another job with more money and/or power. All GM jobs are filled.

[KingKat]

Wilner is pinning pretty hard for Lacava.

[Dr. Dinger]

Rentals in general are inefficient wastes of assets.

 

Yeah, but Norris pretty much sucks.

[fatcowxlive]

My outrage more stems with the purported comments that Shapiro ripped into AA for trading away blue chips, which leads me to believe that Shapiro wants to run this team differently.

 

I think AA is replaceable. He's not great, not terrible, but above average. Right now I don't see anyone better than him as a candidate. But I'm more mad at what this means in terms of team direction.

 

I wouldn't be. I think in the long-term the team is going to benefit and I think the idea of a team teardown is out of the picture completely. We should be in contention for next season, but at a different way than AA would have gone about it. Probably less trading of the farm and more trading of older hitters for younger pitching. I also think we won't be making many moves on the FA market.

 

I wonder if we trade Bautista or EE... Aren't they 10/5 players?

[Yorkshire Blue Jay]

I don't see how you can blame Shapiro. If you're brought into a job, and will be judged on your ultimate success, don't you want to be comfortable with the decisions the people working below you are making? It's clear that Shapiro didn't agree with some of the things AA wanted to do.

 

The blame for AA leaving, should be placed squarely on Rogers shoulders. They put AA and Shapiro in an untenable situation. Odds are that Rogers wanted to clean house back in June, when the team was struggling, and they brought in Shapiro to do so...but not right then, but in November. The problem with that, is that they let the old regime, Beeston and AA, continue in their jobs, which they did, turned this whole thing around, and now this situation is clusterf***.

 

If you want to bring in someone to clean house, then bring in someone in to clean house. If not, dont. Dont bring in someone, and let the former occupants of the house build it into a multimillion dollar mansion.

 

Its a lose lose situation, and doing business the way they did, Rogers is solely responsible for coming out losers.

 

If Shapiro `scolded` AA for the deadline moves that put us into a Gm 6 of the ALCS AND put our average attendance into the top 3 or 4 in all of baseball for the last 2 months.

 

IMO he fully deserves some criticism, and makes me a little sceptical for what he sees for the Toronto Blue Jays going forward.

[TDotttt2005]

Wilner was on earlier, wasn't too happy with the situation.

 

Wilner Is it Early? ‏@Wilnerisitearly 41m41 minutes ago

 

Please excuse my absence from Twitter. Head just exploded trying to figure out how to reconcile my love for Alex and spin this as pro Rogers

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[TheHurl]

If Shapiro `scolded` AA for the deadline moves that put us into a Gm 6 of the ALCS AND put our average attendance into the top 3 or 4 in all of baseball for the last 2 months.

 

IMO he fully deserves some criticism, and makes me a little sceptical for what he sees for the Toronto Blue Jays going forward.

 

He will not be a fan friendly GM IMO. Other than he's open, honest and on MLB radio every other day

[HERPDERP]

I wouldn't be. I think in the long-term the team is going to benefit and I think the idea of a team teardown is out of the picture completely. We should be in contention for next season, but at a different way than AA would have gone about it. Probably less trading of the farm and more trading of older hitters for younger pitching. I also think we won't be making many moves on the FA market.

 

I wonder if we trade Bautista or EE... Aren't they 10/5 players?

 

They are both 10/5. I can't see either of them being traded unless we are tanking hard at the deadline AND they will be going to competitive teams. Kind of like the Halladay situation.

[fmradioguy]

Lawis saying Shapiro is going to tear down this team. How do you tear down a team that just went to ALCS and is coming back with the best offense in baseball

 

Horrible if true

 

If Shapiro is now the defacto GM, and was hired with the intention of having him doing some or all of the GM duties in addition to his role as president, that to me is an indication that Rogers liked what he did with the tribe in that role. In which case, given his history, I also don't think Shapiro was brought in to manage a $130 million payroll. Shapiro doesn't do David Price-esque signings. Or trades for that matter. Price is gone and I'm prepared for a major shakeup of the major league roster, starting with Jose. If the Jays are going back (again) to relying on prospects and young players, Shapiro was the wrong guy. Can anybody really look at his history with Cleveland and say he was good at building a farm system?

 

On a side note, thought this is some really good insight into Shapiro's mind.

 

[Inklink]

Beeston with the drag bunt as he leaves.

[TDotttt2005]

If Shapiro `scolded` AA for the deadline moves that put us into a Gm 6 of the ALCS AND put our average attendance into the top 3 or 4 of all of baseball for the last 2 months.

 

IMO he fully deserves some criticism, and makes me a little sceptical for what he sees for the Toronto Blue Jays going forward.

 

Sure you can be skeptical based on some of this news coming out, but my point is that both of these men were put into a situation that was not going to work. I suspect that Rogers expected this season to go like the other 15 they've overseen, and they Jays would be out of the playoffs, Shapiro would step in as the savior, fire AA, Gibby, clean house, and bring in his new staff to rebuild the thing. Except, because they did things how they did, they let AA stay in the job to turn things around, and set up the power struggle. They would've looked even more stupid to cut off the legs of Shapiro before he even started on the job...so it had to go down like this.

[KingKat]

He will not be a fan friendly GM IMO. Other than he's open, honest and on MLB radio every other day

 

Are you assuming he's taking over GM duties or was that a typo?

[Boxcar]

Wilner is pinning pretty hard for Lacava.

 

Wilner should keep his mouth shut. At some point, realize you are just a casual with the luckiest job in the world and stop acting like some knowledgeable analyst.

[fatcowxlive]

JP Ricciardi had better teams for the payroll he was given than pretty much any team AA put on the field. It's ridiculous that people are completely ignoring the implications payroll has on the quality of the team.

 

Riccardi? Most of the core players he had like Wells/Rios/Halladay were there from before him. He was good at constructing BPs but do you remember the teams we used to roll out there? His drafting was horrible too, Jenkins over Trout? Romero over Tulo? Russ Adams??? JP was trash

[TheHurl]

Are you assuming he's taking over GM duties or was that a typo?

 

I don't believe that there is much of a difference in positions these days.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

LaCava would be a convenience hire, but he seems solid and would have the loyalty of the staff. I love Francona as manager. Francona, LaCava and Shapiro means we come out ahead, definitely. And watch for Rogers to mitigate this PR disaster with some big name signings.

 

Hey, do any of you think Price's agent talked to Shapiro and said Gibby was awful, and I want to sign, but only if he's gone?

[CHRIS]

Jamie Campbell so far has been the most optimistic on the radio so far. Hes bringing up a lot of good points.

 

Which radio are you watching on?

[Yorkshire Blue Jay]

Sure you can be skeptical based on some of this news coming out, but my point is that both of these men were put into a situation that was not going to work. I suspect that Rogers expected this season to go like the other 15 they've overseen, and they Jays would be out of the playoffs, Shapiro would step in as the savior, fire AA, Gibby, clean house, and bring in his new staff to rebuild the thing. Except, because they did things how they did, they let AA stay in the job to turn things around, and set up the power struggle. They would've looked even more stupid to cut off the legs of Shapiro before he even started on the job...so it had to go down like this.

 

Why would anyone be scolded for making moves that invigorated the fanbase that moved our attendance to an elite level and the team to a game or 2 from the WS. Daniel Norris and Jeff Hoffman `could` be very good but likely will be no more than average starters but we were 2015 AL East Champions and IMO wouldn`t have been without those moves.

[BTS]

If Shapiro is now the defacto GM, and was hired with the intention of having him doing some or all of the GM duties in addition to his role as president, that to me is an indication that Rogers liked what he did with the tribe in that role. In which case, given his history, I also don't think Shapiro was brought in to manage a $130 million payroll. Shapiro doesn't do David Price-esque signings. Or trades for that matter. Price is gone and I'm prepared for a major shakeup of the major league roster, starting with Jose. If the Jays are going back (again) to relying on prospects and young players, Shapiro was the wrong guy. Can anybody really look at his history with Cleveland and say he was good at building a farm system?

 

On a side note, thought this is some really good insight into Shapiro's mind.

 

 

Almost every player on Clevelands's roster was either drafted or acquired as a prospect. What killed him was that Cleveland's payroll hasn't left the bottom-10 in 13 years, and often sat bottom-5. He was basically given Friedman's TB mandate.

 

If Rogers is going to have payroll in the bottom-5, he's probably not going to be very successful. But AA wouldn't have been able to function in that context either.