Offseason Roster Thread

[Jimcanuck]

i wouldn't give up on a 23 yr old with an elite fastball and improving control, and i'm sure the Jays FO hasn't either. a 3rd pitch and he's at least a solid MLB starter

[Terminator]

Interesting that Hernandez gets 1.25 Million and up to 2 Million total with incentives if he makes the team. Opt out on March 28. Wonder if they'll put him in the bullpen and see if the stuff players a bit better. He's always had a substantial platoon split so might be better in the pen.

 

Ah I see, he has an opt out. Perhaps he could be the long man.

[BigCecil]

i wouldn't give up on a 23 yr old with an elite fastball and improving control, and i'm sure the Jays FO hasn't either. a 3rd pitch and he's at least a solid MLB starter

 

You can't give up on Sanchez. He just has to be used properly until or if he gains better command. A 3rd pitch might help but his BB/K rate is about more than that. As a starter he just put too many guys on base and was constantly flirting with inevitable disaster.

[Jimcanuck]

You can't give up on Sanchez. He just has to be used properly until or if he gains better command. A 3rd pitch might help but his BB/K rate is about more than that. As a starter he just put too many guys on base and was constantly flirting with inevitable disaster.

 

the BB rate was trending strongly down through his 2015 starts. a 3rd pitch (cutter? change?) and the K rate goes up a couple of notches. and he doesn't need command, he just needs control (in or near the strike zone) with his movement.

[BigCecil]

the BB rate was trending strongly down through his 2015 starts. a 3rd pitch (cutter? change?) and the K rate goes up a couple of notches. and he doesn't need command, he just needs control (in or near the strike zone) with his movement.

 

Hey. I hope you are right and it happens. I'm just not that confident. He had stretches in the pen where he lost a lot of movement when his command and/or control kept leaving the ball up in the zone and giving up hard contact.

[TheHurl]

This is probably in another thread but Mexico has asked for Estrada, Osuna and A.A. Ron Sanchez to play in the WBC qualifier in March

[Laika]

Sanchez?

 

I mean I knew he had a taco name but that's still surprising.

[KingKat]

Sanchez?

 

I mean I knew he had a taco name but that's still surprising.

 

Does Sanchez even know whether or not his birth father is Mexican? How did team Mexico find out? That's a weird one to say the least.

 

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/report-team-mexico-wants-three-blue-jays-for-wbc-qualifier/

[Laika]

Eligibility for the WBC is extremely loose.

 

I think to play for team Italy you just need to like pasta and not be allergic to olive oil

[TheHurl]

Eligibility for the WBC is extremely loose.

 

I think to play for team Italy you just need to like pasta and not be allergic to olive oil

 

come on now, name still has to end in a vowel...oh wait Chris Cooper slipped in there. Never mind!

Edited December 21, 2015 by TheHurl

[DuckDuckGose]

Has anyone given thought to adding Profar as a buy low depth guy? I've been infatuated with him for a long time and see a chance to take a chance on him. Obviously, he'd bump Goins as the primary backup MIF'er but I'm quite alright with that and keeping Goins as some kind of defensive replacement and depth guy for when injuries hit. Anyone have a sense of what it would take? I know Texas has been looking at OF'ers all off-season and the Jays have a few attractive ones.

[Spanky__99]

Has anyone given thought to adding Profar as a buy low depth guy? I've been infatuated with him for a long time and see a chance to take a chance on him. Obviously, he'd bump Goins as the primary backup MIF'er but I'm quite alright with that and keeping Goins as some kind of defensive replacement and depth guy for when injuries hit. Anyone have a sense of what it would take? I know Texas has been looking at OF'ers all off-season and the Jays have a few attractive ones.

 

Texas wouldn't move him now.

[DuckDuckGose]

Texas wouldn't move him now.

 

There was a report earlier today that they've been talking to teams about him. No deal was made so I don't think they're too motivated to make something happen but by all accounts they're listening which is why I brought it up.

[Spanky__99]

There was a report earlier today that they've been talking to teams about him. No deal was made so I don't think they're too motivated to make something happen but by all accounts they're listening which is why I brought it up.

 

They want to move Andrus, where did that report come from? He'd be expensive, they wouldn't move him if the price is low as you think.

[Spanky__99]

Just read the report, they aren't moving him, teams are calling on him.

[RealAccountant]

Last night I dream Aaron Sanchez was 12-2 at the all star break with a sub 2 era and was going to start for the American League

[DuckDuckGose]

Just read the report, they aren't moving him, teams are calling on him.

 

I believe it was Jon Heyman who came out with the report today but there have been others throughout the off-season. As you had said it seems like they'd prefer to move Andrus. That being said if they're listening there is a chance he gets moved.

[BallsDeep]

Bob McCown ‏@FadooBobcat 5h5 hours ago

Toronto Blue Jays player budget at $145 M...confirmed.

[Ziggyy108]

Bob McCown ‏@FadooBobcat 5h5 hours ago

Toronto Blue Jays player budget at $145 M...confirmed.

 

according to Bob's sources, Lebron James was going to come to Toronto as well.

[burlingtonbandit]

according to Bob's sources, Lebron James was going to come to Toronto as well.

 

And payroll was going to be "significantly down" this year a mere month and a half ago lol

[glory]

I'd trust a bum on the street before I trust McCown's "sources".

[Spanky__99]

McCown s*** talks to much, I hope he's right here. An extra 5 million would be excepted if that's there number.

[SAAviour]

What are we at now, $135. 10 mil to spend?

My new boi Shapiro is playing this well, wait for it then sign a couple bargain bin free agents.

There already seems to be too many free agents and not enoug teams with money to spend on them.

[RealAccountant]

^ I think Shapiro is done. If you consider the minor free agents he signed probably have been promised around $2Mil each if they make the team, that brings up to $140. He doesn't seem to be the type if guy who is going to max out at the start of the year.

 

The bullpen right now is

 

Chavez

Delabar

Loup

Cecil

Sanchez

Osuna

Whoever makes it from the minor deals

 

That is not a very good pen. It has 1 elite reliever and 1 good closer but that's about it. Sanchez was getting exposed in the playoffs and the more he pitches the more he is going to get hit. They really needed to resign Lowe instead of giving the money to Smoak and Saunders. Adding Lowe would have given us a better late inning option that Sanchez plus the possibility of having Osuna compete for the 5th rotation spot.

 

Maybe the plan is to move Revere now but I can't see a team trading a good reliever for him especially considering how over valued pitching is in the FA market. I see him possibly moving Revere for a B prospect then using the money to sign from what's left. They should really sign another late inning arm and see if Osuna can start.

[SAAviour]

Didn't Sanchez give up no runs in the playoffs? Or was that just a dream I recently had?

[TBJ12]

He gave up the go ahead run in game 6 of the ALCS if im not mistaken.

[Jimcanuck]

Last year this time the board elite was calling Sanchez a bust, a gas-can.

 

This year, they say he's a valuable reliever or 6th on the SP depth chart.

 

Me, I still say he figures it out and becomes a top flight SP by the time he is 26 (that's 3 years from now, btw)

[Governator]

 

Me, I still say he figures it out and becomes a top flight SP by the time he is 26 (that's 3 years from now, btw)

 

Just at the time when he becomes a free agent? Perfect.

[GD]

Last year this time the board elite was calling Sanchez a bust, a gas-can.

 

This year, they say he's a valuable reliever or 6th on the SP depth chart.

 

Me, I still say he figures it out and becomes a top flight SP by the time he is 26 (that's 3 years from now, btw)

 

Nope, lol

[DuckDuckGose]

^ I think Shapiro is done. If you consider the minor free agents he signed probably have been promised around $2Mil each if they make the team, that brings up to $140. He doesn't seem to be the type if guy who is going to max out at the start of the year.

 

The bullpen right now is

 

Chavez

Delabar

Loup

Cecil

Sanchez

Osuna

Whoever makes it from the minor deals

 

That is not a very good pen. It has 1 elite reliever and 1 good closer but that's about it. Sanchez was getting exposed in the playoffs and the more he pitches the more he is going to get hit. They really needed to resign Lowe instead of giving the money to Smoak and Saunders. Adding Lowe would have given us a better late inning option that Sanchez plus the possibility of having Osuna compete for the 5th rotation spot.

 

Maybe the plan is to move Revere now but I can't see a team trading a good reliever for him especially considering how over valued pitching is in the FA market. I see him possibly moving Revere for a B prospect then using the money to sign from what's left. They should really sign another late inning arm and see if Osuna can start.

 

So Hutch is making the team as the 5th SP? I think you're more likely to see Cecil, Osuna, Sanchez and Delabar get the high leverage innings. Loup, Schultz, Biagini, and Tepera round it out. That's pretty good.

 

Let's also remember that Osuna is not in the competition for a starting job. He threw a career high 69IP last year and needs to build a lot of innings before moving to the rotation.