Offseason Roster Thread

[glory]

What about Cliff Lee? Alvarez has the former Jays connection (really don't get why Miami didn't tender him aside from being an organization run by monkeys), but Lee has the Shapiro connection. Not sure if Lee would be a typical flier since his top level game is so great. Thoughts on if he makes sense and what he'd cost? Or am I just blowing smoke?

 

As far as affordable SP depth is concerned, Lee would be on the top of my list if his medicals check out. It's exactly the type of move the Jays can afford to make now that they have added depth to the rotation. Whether Lee would sign with Toronto is the question. Maybe the Shapiro connection will help.

[Jonn]

Please sign Maeda.

 

What makes you think Shapiro would be willing to throw that much money at him? Dodgers will get him.

[GD]

Now that Maeda and Lee are out there, I'm not as thrilled about Chavez.

 

Still like the Happ signing, though. I guess we can always trade Dickey but I still don't think he gets what he's worth in a trade.

[BTS]

What makes you think Shapiro would be willing to throw that much money at him? Dodgers will get him.

 

Absolutely nothing.

[agrushcow]

As far as affordable SP depth is concerned, Lee would be on the top of my list if his medicals check out. It's exactly the type of move the Jays can afford to make now that they have added depth to the rotation. Whether Lee would sign with Toronto is the question. Maybe the Shapiro connection will help.

 

Yeah I wouldn't bring his name up if it weren't for the Shapiro connection. If he wants to win and he has a good relationship with Shapiro, we wouldn't be the most outlandish of pairings. Lee has been medically cleared and is pitching without issues according to a report from today.

[King]

DBacks will get Maeda

[burlingtonbandit]

Now that Maeda and Lee are out there, I'm not as thrilled about Chavez.

 

Still like the Happ signing, though. I guess we can always trade Dickey but I still don't think he gets what he's worth in a trade.

 

The Chavez trade is one you make in February if you don't have the SP depth. Making that trade in November made little sense when there was still the entire offseason.

 

I would think most people on the board wouldn't do that trade today if we still had Hendriks.

[P2F]

The Chavez trade is one you make in February if you don't have the SP depth. Making that trade in November made little sense when there was still the entire offseason.

 

I would think most people on the board wouldn't do that trade today if we still had Hendriks.

 

Hendriks is a reliever - albeit a good one - and therefore is anything but irreplaceable. Good relievers pop up all the time, year-to-year.

 

There's nothing wrong with acquiring proven, solid back-end rotation depth in November, February, April, July - any time of the year. The trade was fine, and it certainly does not prevent the Jays from making a subsequent, and more significant, addition to their rotation. Depth is a good thing.

[burlingtonbandit]

Hendriks is a reliever - albeit a good one - and therefore is anything but irreplaceable. Good relievers pop up all the time, year-to-year.

 

There's nothing wrong with acquiring proven, solid back-end rotation depth in November, February, April, July - any time of the year. The trade was fine, and it certainly does not prevent the Jays from making a subsequent, and more significant, addition to their rotation. Depth is a good thing.

 

If it was 1 year of Hendriks for 1 year of Chavez I would agree but Hendriks had 3 more years of control and was making nothing. As it stands right now the Jays need a bullpen arm like Hendriks.

[Frenchsoup]

Now that Maeda and Lee are out there, I'm not as thrilled about Chavez.

 

Still like the Happ signing, though. I guess we can always trade Dickey but I still don't think he gets what he's worth in a trade.

 

Maybe we could fill our backup C and utility inf depth with a trade of Dickey.

[DerangedIdoit]

The Chavez trade is one you make in February if you don't have the SP depth. Making that trade in November made little sense when there was still the entire offseason.

 

I would think most people on the board wouldn't do that trade today if we still had Hendriks.

 

Chavez is probably traded by then. With a new GM its conceivable that Atkins trades Chavez back for bullpen relief to a desperate team without the negative press. All the while signing guys like Cliff Lee and co.

[Atothe]

We could've had Yu darvish

[Stangstag]

We could've had Yu darvish

 

I remember those dark times... False reports and all

[burlingtonbandit]

Chavez is probably traded by then. With a new GM its conceivable that Atkins trades Chavez back for bullpen relief to a desperate team without the negative press. All the while signing guys like Cliff Lee and co.

 

Not gonna happen. Front Offices hate to admit to mistakes.

[Boxcar]

Chavez is probably traded by then. With a new GM its conceivable that Atkins trades Chavez back for bullpen relief to a desperate team without the negative press. All the while signing guys like Cliff Lee and co.

 

Signing Lee makes Chavez even more necessary IMO. You can't rely on him for anything and having a swingman who can give you quality starts has been quite a boon for this team in years with rotation questions (Villanueva, Estrada, Tallet, Downs)

[Brownie19]

The Chavez trade is one you make in February if you don't have the SP depth. Making that trade in November made little sense when there was still the entire offseason.

 

I would think most people on the board wouldn't do that trade today if we still had Hendriks.

 

The issue with waiting to fill their obvious hole (SP'ing) is the longer you wait, the more desperate you become - it's not a good position to be in. I actually like how they've filled that hole early in the offseason as they now have the opportunity to look at all avenues for improving the team (without having a glaring hole staring them in the face).

[SaskJaysFan_2]

The Chavez trade is one you make in February if you don't have the SP depth. Making that trade in November made little sense when there was still the entire offseason.

 

I would think most people on the board wouldn't do that trade today if we still had Hendriks.

 

If you have one hole in the rotation, you can wait. If you have three you sign who you can know, and then hope to upgrade later. It`s not like you can have enough starting pitching.

 

Hutch in AAA would be fantastic to start the season.

 

I am interested in both Lee and Meada. A lot. I`ll bet Lee can still be a quality 3-4 pitcher. Meada, who knows.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Aaaahhh i see you have never seen one of the best movies ever created.... Shame on you

 

Seriously a really, really excellent movie.

 

I also liked the Natural and Field of Dreams, as baseball movies go.

[burlingtonbandit]

The issue with waiting to fill their obvious hole (SP'ing) is the longer you wait, the more desperate you become - it's not a good position to be in. I actually like how they've filled that hole early in the offseason as they now have the opportunity to look at all avenues for improving the team (without having a glaring hole staring them in the face).

 

I don't have a problem with acquiring SP depth, just that they gave up way too much to get him. Seems like if LaCava waited a little longer they could of got Chavez or a similar pitcher for less than Hendriks.

[Brownie19]

I don't have a problem with acquiring SP depth, just that they gave up way too much to get him. Seems like if LaCava waited a little longer they could of got Chavez or a similar pitcher for less than Hendriks.

 

Of Chavez might already be on another team....you have no idea if LaCava could have waited at all.

[Spanky99]

If it was 1 year of Hendriks for 1 year of Chavez I would agree but Hendriks had 3 more years of control and was making nothing. As it stands right now the Jays need a bullpen arm like Hendriks.

 

How many times have you mentioned this now, brah? 15-20 times, I'm guessing the over.

[burlingtonbandit]

How many times have you mentioned this now, brah? 15-20 times, I'm guessing the over.

 

might be approaching 30. Good chance of 50 by the time April comes around.

[DerangedIdoit]

Signing Lee makes Chavez even more necessary IMO. You can't rely on him for anything and having a swingman who can give you quality starts has been quite a boon for this team in years with rotation questions (Villanueva, Estrada, Tallet, Downs)

 

Cliff Lee AND Co. meaning there would be corresponding moves to the bullpen and even the rotation.

[dineke]

We're getting Cliff Lee?

[Spanky99]

might be approaching 30. Good chance of 50 by the time April comes around.

 

Hah!

[Spanky99]

We're getting Cliff Lee?

 

WooHoo!

[Spanky99]

Maeda and Lee, trade EVERYONE!!!

[Boxcar]

So let's see would SD do a deal for Shields if we give them Dickey Thole and Goins and no money?

 

They want a SS and Dickey Thole is one and done! Plus they save on payroll.

 

Let's give them Dickey and Thole and Revere and Goins and Ricky Romero and John Gibbons and Cliff Pennington!! LOL !

[Atothe]

Maeda isn't touching Tanaka money correct?

[Spanky99]

Maeda isn't touching Tanaka money correct?

 

Close, he's just as good.