Offseason Roster Thread

[Brownie19]

Nothing wrong with depth.

 

My wife keeps telling me this and asking me to find a way to add some.

[Spanky99]

lol

[Angrioter]

The Blue Jays have signed first baseman Casey Kotchman, second baseman David Adams and shortstop Jiovanni Mier to minor league contract with invitations to Major League Spring Training, writes Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet.

[blurnandez]

Wow, Casey Kotchman. Haven't heard that name in ages.

[Spanky99]

The Blue Jays have signed first baseman Casey Kotchman, second baseman David Adams and shortstop Jiovanni Mier to minor league contract with invitations to Major League Spring Training, writes Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet.

 

Posted right above you Ang.

[jaysfan2014]

Kotchman was once a top prospect for the Angels, and was great for the Rays.. but struggled to make contact. Low strikeout, decent BB rate, but no power. Good OBP skills in the minors, but his lack of power hurts, along with mediocre defense at 1B, hurts.

 

David Adams was also a top prospect in the Yanks organization, and almost netted the Yanks Cliff Lee at one time.. before injuries scuttled the deal. Has struggled through AAA in NY, BAL and MIA.

 

Jiovanni Maier was once a top prospect.. still young. Maybe he figures something out in the Jays org.

 

Basically, all three are Buffalo depth. But like with Collabello, you never know..

[KingKat]

Wow, Casey Kotchman. Haven't heard that name in ages.

 

Was last spotted in Toronto playing for Team U.S.A. in the Pan-Am games.

[BallsDeep]

@thekapman: Here are Cubs rumors I just talked about on @espn1000. Price might be heading back to Tor. $ might be too rich. Plus Tor might be his fav.

[dineke]

@thekapman: Here are Cubs rumors I just talked about on @espn1000. Price might be heading back to Tor. $ might be too rich. Plus Tor might be his fav.

 

lol suuuuuure

[L54]

@thekapman: Here are Cubs rumors I just talked about on @espn1000. Price might be heading back to Tor. $ might be too rich. Plus Tor might be his fav.

 

Sounds like someone who doesn't actually have any idea of the market playing the percentages and generating false rumors. There is a pretty good chance the Cubs don't see the value in adding a third ace for 30M a year.

 

BREAKING: I'm hearing that Ian Desmond to the Angles is unlikely. Sources say too many $. #mlb #angels

[King]

@thekapman: Here are Cubs rumors I just talked about on @espn1000. Price might be heading back to Tor. $ might be too rich. Plus Tor might be his fav.

 

And then, there is this

 

http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2015/11/23/source-toronto-far-and-away-david-prices-first-choice/

 

There has been plenty of speculation as to where star left-handed pitcher David Price will end up in free agency. Teams that have been reported to have interest in Price include the Chicago Cubs, Los Angeles Dodgers, San Francisco Giants and many others. However, they are not Price’s preferred choice.

According to a source with direct knowledge of the situation, Price and his agent, Bo McKinnis, have made it clear that playing in Toronto for the Blue Jays is “far and away [Price’s] first choice.”

Price loves Toronto and “relishes” the attention he is getting as a superstar, which he may not get elsewhere, making Toronto his top choice, the source said.

In free agency, Price is likely to land a contract north of $200 million and the Blue Jays, if they choose to sign Price, can afford him.

Price, 30, was acquired by the Blue Jays in a blockbuster trade before the July 31 trade deadline and in only 11 starts in Toronto, he flourished, going 9-1 with a 2.30 ERA and a 87/18 strikeout-to-walk ratio.

With both the Detroit Tigers and Blue Jays, Price had one of his best seasons, going 18-5 with a 2.45 ERA and a 225/45 strikeout-to-walk ratio.

It’s unclear how far talks with the two sides have gone, but if Price really wants to go to Toronto, the Blue Jays need to make it happen. Having a star pitcher of Price’s caliber at the top-of-the-rotation, combined with the Blue Jays’ offense, makes them a legitimate threat to advance deep in the playoffs yet again.

Stay tuned.

[Abomination]

Interesting. The tail end of a Price contract may hurt, but for the next few years he's pretty much a perfect fit.

[Dr. Dinger]

Interesting. The tail end of a Price contract may hurt, but for the next few years he's pretty much a perfect fit.

 

Possible solutions: Give him an opt-out after 3 years that he will surely exercise, or front-load the contract.

[dineke]

Ugh, now the fan base is going to rage even harder when they don't sign him thinking that Toronto is Price's first choice.

[Abomination]

Possible solutions: Give him an opt-out after 3 years that he will surely exercise, or front-load the contract.

 

It would have to be back-loaded at least some to fit in next year's (assumed) payroll, unless he received a healthy signing bonus that wasn't counted. An opt-out after 3 would probably be ideal though.

[Dr. Dinger]

It would have to be back-loaded at least some to fit in next year's (assumed) payroll, unless he received a healthy signing bonus that wasn't counted. An opt-out after 3 would probably be ideal though.

 

Yeah, just spit-balling, but maybe something like:

 

[TABLE=width: 225]

[TR]

[TD]2016[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$15,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2017[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$30,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2018[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$30,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2019[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2020[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2021[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2022[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$20,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2023[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$20,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD=align: right]$190,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

[Frenchsoup]

Yeah, just spit-balling, but maybe something like:

 

[TABLE=width: 225]

[TR]

[TD]2016[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$15,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2017[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$30,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2018[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$30,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2019[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2020[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2021[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2022[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$20,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2023[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$20,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD=align: right]$190,000,000.00[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

 

He's making 200 million + and deserves it.

[burlingtonbandit]

I wonder how much pressure agents and the MLBPA put on players to take the most money. Like say Toronto were to offer around $190 million like Dinger said and Boston offered him $230 million. Price said money isn't a big factor but I'd have to think his agent would be pissed at him taking $40 million less.

[Brenner]

It would have to be back-loaded at least some to fit in next year's (assumed) payroll, unless he received a healthy signing bonus that wasn't counted. An opt-out after 3 would probably be ideal though.

 

Year 1 - $20

Year 2 - $35

Year 3 - $45

Total 3 @ $100 with Opt Out

Years 4-7 - $30

 

Total 7 @ 220

 

That is a crap load of money. We would need to unload Ben Revere to free up money to find some RP, but would make us as much as a lock for the division as possible

[dineke]

ugh stop putting out these numbers. I want to throw up.

[Dr. Dinger]

Year 1 - $20

Year 2 - $35

Year 3 - $45

Total 3 @ $100 with Opt Out

Years 4-7 - $30

 

Total 7 @ 220

 

That is a crap load of money. We would need to unload Ben Revere to free up money to find some RP, but would make us as much as a lock for the division as possible

 

Either you front-load the deal OR give an opt-out, but not both. That would destroy any value we might get from his good years. Using this model, we'd pay $100M for about 15 WAR. If you're going to give him an opt-out, you back-load the contract a bit and try to get that 15 WAR for $60-70M, which would be a steal.

[John_Havok]

I wonder how much pressure agents and the MLBPA put on players to take the most money. Like say Toronto were to offer around $190 million like Dinger said and Boston offered him $230 million. Price said money isn't a big factor but I'd have to think his agent would be pissed at him taking $40 million less.

 

Look at the Cano situation right now. All anyone is talking about now is how Cano wants to get out of seattle and regrets not taking less money to stay with NY. Granted none of that is coming from Cano himself but rather "a source that is very close to Cano"... but you really do have to wonder sometimes how much union pressure there is on the players to always go for the maximum dollars vs takin less and being where u want to be. It's not like taking 20 million per year is all that differnet than 25 million in the grand scheme of things if taking the 20 million means playing in a city that you want to be in.

 

That being said, you can't let the owners use that willingness to take less to bend u over and toss it in dry.

[BTS]

Look at the Cano situation right now. All anyone is talking about now is how Cano wants to get out of seattle and regrets not taking less money to stay with NY. Granted none of that is coming from Cano himself but rather "a source that is very close to Cano"... but you really do have to wonder sometimes how much union pressure there is on the players to always go for the maximum dollars vs takin less and being where u want to be. It's not like taking 20 million per year is all that differnet than 25 million in the grand scheme of things if taking the 20 million means playing in a city that you want to be in.

 

That being said, you can't let the owners use that willingness to take less to bend u over and toss it in dry.

 

The Cano situation is a great example of why I hope the team walks away from Price. Two years into the deal and they owe him like 70-100M more than he'd currently get on the open market. This was a guy that Jays fans everywhere wanted Rogers to pony up for. A can't miss franchise talent with no real injury history. Two years later his contract might be the league's biggest albatross.

 

Stay away from $200+M mega-deals.

[Angrioter]

David Price for 7/200M is madness.

 

Shapiro, be reasonable!!

[John_Havok]

The way i see it, he's not Kershaw, so he shouldn't be paid like him.

 

I'd go 7/175 with the opt out after 3 years that was suggested earlier.

[burlingtonbandit]

Look at the Cano situation right now. All anyone is talking about now is how Cano wants to get out of seattle and regrets not taking less money to stay with NY. Granted none of that is coming from Cano himself but rather "a source that is very close to Cano"... but you really do have to wonder sometimes how much union pressure there is on the players to always go for the maximum dollars vs takin less and being where u want to be. It's not like taking 20 million per year is all that differnet than 25 million in the grand scheme of things if taking the 20 million means playing in a city that you want to be in.

 

That being said, you can't let the owners use that willingness to take less to bend u over and toss it in dry.

 

Yeah Cano is actually a really good example. I think at the same time players realize things can change so fast so that is usually why they take the money. Like look at the Marlins with Reyes and Buehrle, your entire life can be changed in 1 day.

 

But you do wonder in a player's mind if the difference between $175 million and $220 million is enough for them to go to their 2nd or 3rd choice. If there ever was a guy to do that Price would fit the *profile*. Lol if the guy is giving his teammates scooters and robes with $20 million per season imagine what he does with $200 million.

[Frenchsoup]

The Cano situation is a great example of why I hope the team walks away from Price. Two years into the deal and they owe him like 70-100M more than he'd currently get on the open market. This was a guy that Jays fans everywhere wanted Rogers to pony up for. A can't miss franchise talent with no real injury history. Two years later his contract might be the league's biggest albatross.

 

Stay away from $200+M mega-deals.

 

I don't think anyone on this board was saying we should give Cano a 9-10 year deal with draft pick comp. This is a true mega deal and albatross, but if you can get price for a 7-8 year deal, I think that is very reasonable with where Toronto is at, and pretty much seals up the AL east for the next couple of years.

[RealAccountant]

Price is an ace and will be an ace for at least 3-4 years. After that he will be servicable for another 2-3 years considering he is left handed.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but at $8 mil/WAR wouldnt he only have to be worth 25 wins for the deal to be fair? Not even accounting for the fact that the number will probably be 10 or 11 mil per war in a couple of years.

 

I think Price is a sure fire bet to attain 25 Wins in that time span.

[burlingtonbandit]

Speaking of contracts did anyone else notice Stroman retweeted this article. Article lists young players that would make sense to get extended. What would a realistic Stroman extenstion look like to have a couple of club options to buy out his FA years?

 

[BTS]

Price is an ace and will be an ace for at least 3-4 years. After that he will be servicable for another 2-3 years considering he is left handed.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but at $8 mil/WAR wouldnt he only have to be worth 25 wins for the deal to be fair? Not even accounting for the fact that the number will probably be 10 or 11 mil per war in a couple of years.

 

I think Price is a sure fire bet to attain 25 Wins in that time span.

 

So was Verlander. Pitching is never a sure bet to do anything.