Offseason Roster Thread

[Frenchsoup]

FFS, what if any pitcher blows his arm out? He's been a starter his entire pro career until this year. Can you imagine if the Sox had done the same s*** that you're proposing with Chris Sale?

 

The kid has about 190 innings in his 4-5 year career you retard.

[Frenchsoup]

Also did Chris Sale have TJ? I don't think so.

[Captain Adama]

The kid has about 190 innings in his 4-5 year career you retard.

 

This makes absolutely no difference. But what do I know? I'm just a retard.

 

You should play it safe and keep him <70 IP, and no throwing 95+ and for god's sake, make sure he doesn't masturbate so violently!

[Captain Adama]

Also did Chris Sale have TJ? I don't think so.

 

The guy throws hard and has a s***** delivery. Everyone was counting down the days until he would go under the knife.

[Boxcar]

This makes absolutely no difference. But what do I know? I'm just a retard.

 

Hah! Retard!

[Frenchsoup]

The guy throws hard and has a s***** delivery. Everyone was counting down the days until he would go under the knife.

 

Ok so nothing has changed and you want to pump his innings up? Just be happy with what he can give us out of the pen. I shouldn't have called you a retard, i apologize.

[Captain Adama]

Hah! Retard!

 

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[glory]

Osuna's innings per year

2011: 19.2 (MEX)

2012: 43.2

2013: 42.1

2014: 35.1 (minors and AZFL)

2015: 78.0 (reg and post season)

 

If they stretch him out, he'll have to be on a 100-120 inning limit, or thereabouts. I'd ignore the critics and just put him in AAA next season. They burned an option on him already, but regardless, let him work on his secondary stuff while being in an environment where his innings/pitch count can be controlled. Expecting John Gibbons to show any type of restraint with a young pitcher would be like putting a loaded gun in the hands of a monkey and expecting no one to get shot. Keep Osuna away from Gibby in 2016 if you plan to stretch him out. Stretching him out in the Majors when he spent an entire year throwing fastballs in the pen would be foolish.

 

I'm not sure about Hendriks in the rotation. He's a great reliever regardless of how the manager uses him. Just give him more of a role in the pen next season and see what happens. But if they want to see if his velocity spike can be somewhat sustained in longer outings, then give it a shot.

[Laika]

Osuna's innings per year

2011: 19.2 (MEX)

2012: 43.2

2013: 42.1

2014: 35.1 (minors and AZFL)

2015: 78.0 (reg and post season)

 

If they stretch him out, he'll have to be on a 100-120 inning limit, or thereabouts. I'd ignore the critics and just put him in AAA next season. They burned an option on him already, but regardless, let him work on his secondary stuff while being in an environment where his innings/pitch count can be controlled. Expecting John Gibbons to show any type of restraint with a young pitcher would be like putting a loaded gun in the hands of a monkey and expecting no one to get shot. Keep Osuna away from Gibby in 2016 if you plan to stretch him out. Stretching him out in the Majors when he spent an entire year throwing fastballs in the pen would be foolish.

 

I'm not sure about Hendriks in the rotation. He's a great reliever regardless of how the manager uses him. Just give him more of a role in the pen next season and see what happens. But if they want to see if his velocity spike can be somewhat sustained in longer outings, then give it a shot.

 

There's really no point in treating a guy with that much caution. They would probably cap his innings at some # so that in 2017 he would be prepared to pitch an entire season. So, 160 innings or so.

 

And obviously if he runs out of gas or feels anything weird they would pull the plug.

 

They aren't going to use 3 seasons to get a guy up to speed when they only control him for six. Pitching is dangerous as it is - if he goes pop, oh well. Tap the next guy on the butt.

[Abomination]

Osuna's innings per year

2011: 19.2 (MEX)

2012: 43.2

2013: 42.1

2014: 35.1 (minors and AZFL)

2015: 78.0 (reg and post season)

 

If they stretch him out, he'll have to be on a 100-120 inning limit, or thereabouts.

 

Keep in mind those are only the official game action innings. Many of these guys throw a lot more in extended spring, etc.

[THANOS]

There's really no point in treating a guy with that much caution. They would probably cap his innings at some # so that in 2017 he would be prepared to pitch an entire season. So, 160 innings or so.

 

And obviously if he runs out of gas or feels anything weird they would pull the plug.

 

They aren't going to use 3 seasons to get a guy up to speed when they only control him for six. Pitching is dangerous as it is - if he goes pop, oh well. Tap the next guy on the butt.

 

This. I think Osuna starts in our rotation next year, and, based on LaCava's words, he won't have an innings limit. I think that means 140-160 could be expected before he gets tired and goes into the bullpen. I think, unless Sanchez masters 2 other pitches this off-season, he'll be traded or starting in AA/AAA next season to attempt to fix him. Hendriks could end the year as a starter in Osuna's spot in the rotation, with Osuna taking his place in the bullpen.

[glory]

There's really no point in treating a guy with that much caution. They would probably cap his innings at some # so that in 2017 he would be prepared to pitch an entire season. So, 160 innings or so.

 

And obviously if he runs out of gas or feels anything weird they would pull the plug.

 

They aren't going to use 3 seasons to get a guy up to speed when they only control him for six. Pitching is dangerous as it is - if he goes pop, oh well. Tap the next guy on the butt.

 

An approach where they limit him but improvise how they use him over the full season (like skipping starts once in a while, limit him when he shows signs of fatigue, etc) would be a good approach. I just don't know how many innings you can realistically expect out of him next season when he spent an entire year in the pen throwing primarily a fastball and has a career high 78 innings.

 

You're right I was probably being overly cautious with the innings, though.

[THANOS]

An approach where they limit him but improvise how they use him over the full season (like skipping starts once in a while, limit him when he shows signs of fatigue, etc) would be a good approach. I just don't know how many innings you can realistically expect out of him next season when he spent an entire year in the pen throwing primarily a fastball and has a career high 78 innings.

 

You're right I was probably being overly cautious with the innings, though.

 

I think, pending any injuries, he could nail 130-160 innings before feeling fatigue, and then just chuck him into the bullpen the rest of the season. It's basically what Cleveland did with Carrasco in 2014.

[burlingtonbandit]

BOCA RATON, Fla. – The Toronto Blue Jays are fully cognizant of the opportunity before them in 2016, understand there’s no being half-pregnant with a roster in win-now mode, and are looking to move decisively to make next year count.

 

So ignore the background noise about a looming payroll rollback, and forget the silly notions of dealing one of Jose Bautista or Edwin Encarnacion, both entering walk years, or trying to flip the just-acquired Troy Tulowitzki, even if their no-trade clauses didn’t render the idea moot anyway.

 

What the competitive window looks like in 2017 and beyond is in some ways to be determined, but the Blue Jays are focused on taking steps to get the pitching help needed for a return run at the post-season during baseball’s annual GM meetings at Boca Raton Resort and Club.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-focused-on-taking-the-steps-to-make-2016-count/

[THANOS]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-focused-on-taking-the-steps-to-make-2016-count/

 

I think the best read I get from this is that free-agency will be how we fill most of our needs, and would only consider trading Revere, Colabello, or maybe Sanchez this off-season. Maybe we could see one of Price, Greinke, or Zimmerman seriously pursued after all?

Edited November 11, 2015 by THANOS

[burlingtonbandit]

I think the best read I get from this is that free-agency will be how we fill most of our needs, and would only consider trading Revere, Colabello, or maybe Sanchez this off-season. Maybe we could see one Price, Greinke, or Zimmerman seriously pursued after all?

 

I think Price to the NL is a forgone conclusion at this point. Kuma, Samardzja and Kennedy seem the more likely options. I really can't see the Jays outbidding the Dodgers for Greinke.

[fireballW]

Love Quentin. Guy was an offensive monster. I think he can probably still hit.

 

I wonder. I know he was changing his swing because he thought it put too much pressure on his body. I'm with you, always loved him. It would he a pretty big risk to trade EE to accompany him though. I can't see him playing 1B.

[fireballW]

There's really no point in treating a guy with that much caution. They would probably cap his innings at some # so that in 2017 he would be prepared to pitch an entire season. So, 160 innings or so.

 

And obviously if he runs out of gas or feels anything weird they would pull the plug.

 

They aren't going to use 3 seasons to get a guy up to speed when they only control him for six. Pitching is dangerous as it is - if he goes pop, oh well. Tap the next guy on the butt.

 

Yay. People are really finally coming around on this topic. Pitchers are babied more now and still get injured way more than ever. Have them pitch. If they get injured then they get inured. Use them while they are healthy, if they miss a year for tjs then it is what it is.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

So why not do it in reverse with Ousana have him start in the pen, first two months then send him down to the minors stretch him out and bring him up to finish the season as a Starter ?

[Atothe]

Pompey-pillar-alford will catch anything in the outfield

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Everything maybe anything not so sure!!! Lol

[Governator]

So why not do it in reverse with Ousana have him start in the pen, first two months then send him down to the minors stretch him out and bring him up to finish the season as a Starter ?

 

Why burn 30+ innings on his arm that could be better spent starting 4 or 5 games for you? Just start him, use him till he's notably gassed and find a replacement. I think we would get a lot more value out of him starting 18+ games and a full season the following year. We have Osuna/Sanchez/Hendriks/Hutchison that are likely fighting for 1 spot, assuming we do grab a couple of FA arms. In an ideal world, Hutchison breaks out in Spring Training and Osuna starts in AAA.

[Rajais Mitten]

So why not do it in reverse with Ousana have him start in the pen, first two months then send him down to the minors stretch him out and bring him up to finish the season as a Starter ?

 

Personally I think if they decide to have him start it has to be from the start of the season for a couple of reasons. First being if it doesn't work you can easily slide him back into the pen because I rather not lose him for a week or two during the season only to have it backfire and have to put him back into the pen anyways. Second thing is this gives him a spot for certain from the get go, anyone we sign will obviously not be removed from the rotation for Osuna. Which leaves you with Hutchison (if he is still with us). If during that time you decide to send Osuna to the minors to stretch him out and Hutchison and everyone else is killing it you really can't touch anyone at that time.

[Jimcanuck]

Yes if Osuna is a starter in 2016, it has to be from the get go, and he will have time to prepare from the day pitchers report in Feb.

 

There is injury risk yes, but every decision is risk/reward.

 

I'm not convinced Osuna's stuff will play out over multiple innings, but the potential reward is worth the risk.

 

He can always be moved back to the bullpen if batters tee up the 2nd time through the order or he begins to tire by the 4th inning.

[RealAccountant]

Moving Osuna just creates another hole. Hendrik's is the guy who ought to get the first shot at starting.

 

I would say that if Estrada accepts then resign Lowe. That way this is what the rotation will look like

 

Dickey

Stroman

Estrada

Hutch

Hendrik's

 

And the late inning pen

 

Osuna

Sanchez

Cecil

Lowe

Another LHP specialist

[L54]

That rotation is gross. Another starter is required. Heading into the season with Hendriks as your 5 means the offseason was a failure.

[King]

Ben Nicholson-Smith ‏@bnicholsonsmith 1m1 minute ago

#Jays' LaCava values good clubhouse guys, but acknowledges "you may want to take a shot at someone who's not a choirboy" if there's talent.

[CHRIS]

Just start the kid in AA and see how it goes. At the end of the year if we need him in the pen for the stretch run, bring him up. If we don't need him (somehow), just leave him alone. And next year have him in the AAA rotation or the MLB rotation depending on how this year goes.

 

I would love to see the offseason that allows us to keep Osuna in the minors all year.

 

I get the idea that he's more valuable in the rotation than in the pen, and I like him there eventually for sure, but with 2016 potentially being the last season with both JB and EE, I'm a little tempted to keep him either in the bullpen or in the rotation in some creative manner. I'm hesitant to spend an extra 4M on a guy that does what Osuna does, when by that claim, Osuna does the same job for peanuts.

 

I think it's a real balancing act trying to capitalize on where we are in the competitive curve and also look ahead.

[burlingtonbandit]

Pompey-pillar-alford will catch anything in the outfield

 

also wouldn't hit anything at the plate.

[RealAccountant]

also wouldn't hit anything at the plate.

 

Alford will hit. Kid is country strong