Does Goins Bounce Back at the Plate? Does it Matter?

[Treeplant]

As great as he was with the glove, he was as bad with the bat this past series.

 

Seemed like he made a lot of progress by the end of the season at the plate that went out the window in the ALDS. Not only a lack of production, but he had some pretty awful looking at bats.

 

Does he bounce back at the plate this series or not?

 

And if he doesn't, will it matter?

[Boxcar]

Bounce back to what? Slightly less horribly s*****?

[Mozzer]

Bounce back to what? Slightly less horribly s*****?

 

In fairness he hit pretty well over the last few months. Obviously he has struggled badly in the playoffs - still a stud in the field.

[Jellz]

Probably, Royals pitching is worse and all righties. More concerned with Tulo's or Smoak's bat than Goins, as they're in the middle of the order

[Jonn]

As long as he plays defense nobody should give a s***. If he can start walking again I would take that though.

[Laika]

No.

No.

[Treeplant]

Bounce back to what? Slightly less horribly s*****?

 

Lol, touche. Well I believe he hit something like .290 in August/September, so he came into the playoffs hitting much better than he did to start the year.

 

My guess is that he'll calm down a bit after making it through this series, be a little more patient, and at least crank out a few hits this next series. To put a random number on it I'd guess he hits .195 this next series instead of .000 this past series.

[glory]

He's a utility player starting in place of an injured starter. Anything the Jays get out of him aside from his usual great defense would be nice.

[nextyear]

In my opinion, Ryan Goins was overwhelmed by being in the MLB playoffs. Initially he even had difficulty fielding, however, Goins played well defensively the last couple of games (especially the last game in Toronto) so I predict in the ALCS he will bat around .275 with a .350 OBS and SLG 0.400 and generally be average offensively (MLB average that is, which is quite good).

 

After getting only 1 walk and 1 run in 20 plate appearances, getting a hit or two a game and a few walks in the series will be a bonus along with his usual good defense.

 

Luckily Pillar's offense in the ALDS helped make up for Goins' lack of offense. If Pillar continues this way in the ALCS along with Goins being average the Blue Jays will once again start generating runs from the bottom of the lineup.

[Treeplant]

In my opinion, Ryan Goins was overwhelmed by being in the MLB playoffs.

 

Yeah this is exactly how I felt too.

[Stangstag]

In my opinion, Ryan Goins was overwhelmed by being in the MLB playoffs. Initially he even had difficulty fielding, however, Goins played well defensively the last couple of games (especially the last game in Toronto) so I predict in the ALCS he will bat around .275 with a .350 OBS and SLG 0.400 and generally be average offensively (MLB average that is, which is quite good).

 

After getting only 1 walk and 1 run in 20 plate appearances, getting a hit or two a game and a few walks in the series will be a bonus along with his usual good defense.

 

Luckily Pillar's offense in the ALDS helped make up for Goins' lack of offense. If Pillar continues this way in the ALCS along with Goins being average the Blue Jays will once again start generating runs from the bottom of the lineup.

 

Lol

[Mozzer]

He's a utility player starting in place of an injured starter. Anything the Jays get out of him aside from his usual great defense would be nice.

 

I disagree - if he can hit 250 and bring his defence he's a starter. Sure it helps this team can hide his bat, but that defence is as good as any Blue Jay ever.

[nonamejays]

he faced almost nothing but lefties and he blows against lefties. Typically he would not be playing in those situations, but it is what it is. Against the Royals, I'm expecting him to bounce back effectively. Even Revere, who is a great hitter, only had 1 hit on Hamels in game 2, a bunt hit in game 4 against Holland, and a game 5 hit that deflected off the pitcher (would have likely been out if Hamels didn't touch it).

 

Not worried one bit.

[Angrioter]

In fairness he hit pretty well over the last few months. Obviously he has struggled badly in the playoffs - still a stud in the field.

 

Maybe he's facing real pitching

[RealAccountant]

Goins had been getting a lot of easier pitches in the regular season but this is the playoffs. For pitchers every out matters. Even he has been scouted and pitchers have a plan for him.

 

Unlike the regular season where he also faces mediocre pitching in the playoffs he only faces high end quality pitching. He is simply out matched and I don't expect that to change

[TheHurl]

By wRC+

 

April - 83

May - 64

June - 33

July - 53

August - 151

Sept - 90

Oct - Not going to figure it out but really bad

 

I think what's obvious here is that April, May, June, July and October are outliers.

[labadee]

i certainly wouldnt be opposed to him getting a few hits.. but he's a stud at second base defensively and i like that

[crederer]

Bounce back to what? Slightly less horribly s*****?

 

Did you even watch the last quarter of the season? He was heads and tails better than before.

 

But that being said it's only been 5 games, I wouldn't say he's in a slump or anything. I'm sure he'll be fine and whatever he hits is just a bonus.

[Nafro]

Maybe he's facing real pitching

 

^This. I think not facing four lefties in five games, will see his hitting improve. I don't think he's as bad as the last series. I also don't think he's a 0.290 batter. With the defense he plays if we can get him to move runners, take a couple walks and get 4-5 hits in the series I think I would be very happy.

[Boxcar]

Did you even watch the last quarter of the season? He was heads and tails better than before.

 

But that being said it's only been 5 games, I wouldn't say he's in a slump or anything. I'm sure he'll be fine and whatever he hits is just a bonus.

 

Yeah I just don't s*** my pants when a s***** player has a hot month

[Deadpool]

I disagree - if he can hit 250 and bring his defence he's a starter. Sure it helps this team can hide his bat, but that defence is as good as any Blue Jay ever.

 

Nope. If he can hit .250 AND walk at the pace he was over the past month or so of the regular season, then he's arguably, possibly, as good as Travis, and in starter territory. I am less than sold that he has learned patience; I'm more likely to attribute that to the sample size. Goins with an OBP of ~.320 could be a decent everyday player, but I'd have to see that over any length of time to believe it was possible.

[Frenchsoup]

Almost 28 year old Ryan Goins and his 1.5 WAR is the definition of a guy you sell high on. Maybe we could get a year of Cashner or someone relate-able.

[Brenner]

The standard for Goins hitting is so low that he hit .250 with a .318 OBP and suddenly people are saying he hit well this year? He went from absolutely useless to just a normal bad hitter. With his defense he can be a useful player still and I am glad he is on the team. But perspectives are messing peoples views here, Tulo puts up the same stats and he's accurately seen as hitting terribly. Goins is terrible hitter who had one stretch of not being totally useless.

[Mozzer]

Maybe he's facing real pitching

Well he's always faced real pitchers. Maybe pitchers are better as a whole in the playoffs, but still... The guys outstanding in the field.

[Brownie19]

Couple of factors:

 

1. Pitching in the playoffs is significantly better than it is in the regular season.

2. He saw lefties almost exclusively.

3. Nerves/inexperience - which is natural.

 

It's so sad to see people jump back to the "Goins can't hit" stuff - cut the man some slack. He's worked his tail off all season, made some adjustments and showed tangible improvement as the season wore on. Can't you just appreciate that and cheer for the guy? I'm not sold that Goins is a full time major league starter either, but he played remarkable down the stretch for this team when the pair of Glass Joes (Tulo & Travis) hit the DL.

 

Who actually enjoys being the "I told you so" guy?

[Brownie19]

Goins wRC+ of 84 would have been 10th in the majors for qualified shortstops. 18th in the majors for qualified 2nd basemen. You add in his defense and he basically was the definition of an average middle infielder this year...

[Boxcar]

I don't think anyone denies that he's exceeded our wildest dreams and become a very adequate bench option but he was never anything more than that. He's not a good hitter and never has been. Travis was nearly a win better in half the games.

[Krylian]

Bounce back to what? Slightly less horribly s*****?

 

To having more than a .056 OPS. Maybe add 500-600 points to that.

[Brownie19]

By wRC+

 

April - 83

May - 64

June - 33

July - 53

August - 151

Sept - 90

Oct - Not going to figure it out but really bad

 

I think what's obvious here is that April, May, June, July and October are outliers.

 

 

wRC+ by month

 

Apr - 133

May - 100

June - 102

July - 58

Aug - 48

Sept - 139

 

I'm sure happy the Jays didn't dismiss September as an "outliner" when Joey Bats made adjustments in 2009...

[Boxcar]

To having more than a .056 OPS. Maybe add 500-600 points to that.

 

I remember when Vernon Wells went through an 0-20 something. It's not noteworthy and only magnified because of the playoffs.