Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[G-Snarls]

Conner Green our best pitching prospect? Pretty gross

 

Yeah, we sure traded away lots of pitching over the last few years

[Brownie19]

Conner Green our best pitching prospect? Pretty gross

 

That's the way the Cubs built it. Pitching prospects fail at such a high rate.

[Terminator]

Conner Green our best pitching prospect? Pretty gross

 

I'd obviously like better pitching prospects than what we have but I'd much rather be hitter-heavy. TNSTAAPP

Edited July 25, 2017 by Terminator

[Krylian]

I can understand him dropping because his peripherals have not be SRF like this season, but how Greene and Maese rose above him is beyond me??

 

That's the thing. He hasn't been very SRF-ish, but it's not like we've had any breakout years aside from the obvious Top 2. SRF still has some of the highest upside in the organization imo.

[Krylian]

Ryan Borucki should be in that top 10.

 

He's probably #11.

[P2F]

Ryan Borucki should be in that top 10.

 

It's hard to put too much stock into his performance this far. He's been old for the levels he's been pitching at.

 

He's a guy, but not a dude yet.

[Slade]

It's hard to put too much stock into his performance this far. He's been old for the levels he's been pitching at.

 

He's a guy, but not a dude yet.

 

He's a dude, if it wasn't for TJS and the shoulder injury he dealt with he would probably be ahead of the curve. It's not like he's that old just turned 23 a couple months ago and now getting a taste of AA. .

 

 

I'd wager he contributes more to this organisation than Connor Greene ever does.

[THANOS]

That's the thing. He hasn't been very SRF-ish, but it's not like we've had any breakout years aside from the obvious Top 2. SRF still has some of the highest upside in the organization imo.

 

This is true. But even in a down year, he still looks better than Greene and Maese. Not sure why they're ahead of him.

[Jonn]

Conner Green our best pitching prospect? Pretty gross

 

No. #FakeNews

 

SRF is still nice. He had a really weird start to the season and couldn't get it goinf. I think he will finish the season strong. His last start was dominating after some mechanical adjustments. And he's healthy. I expect him to be up in the Top 5 by the start of next season.

[burlingtonbandit]

Does age even correlate that much with performance for pitchers? I feel like its more about the stuff. A 24 year old can see an uptick in velo at AA and all of a sudden be a prospect while a 19 year old may have the command to get single A hitters out but doesn't have the stuff to get out more advanced guys.

[wk680]

Does age even correlate that much with performance for pitchers? I feel like its more about the stuff. A 24 year old can see an uptick in velo at AA and all of a sudden be a prospect while a 19 year old may have the command to get single A hitters out but doesn't have the stuff to get out more advanced guys.

 

I think at every level (and more so as they move up) it's also about responding to the opposition when they adapt to what you are doing. For example, Estrada was successful for quite a while focusing on the 4SFB and an excellent CH. But now opponents have finally learned how to counter his approach, and he is scrambling to respond. Same goes for batters. The opposition is always looking for ways to counter their strengths and exploit their weaknesses. Those who are constantly adapting and trying to be 'unpredictable' have a better chance to succeed, especially at the highest level of competition.

[bones10]

That's the way the Cubs built it. Pitching prospects fail at such a high rate.

 

Whens the last time this team even had a good offensive prospect that produced at the major league level..

[THANOS]

I think at every level (and more so as they move up) it's also about responding to the opposition when they adapt to what you are doing. For example, Estrada was successful for quite a while focusing on the 4SFB and an excellent CH. But now opponents have finally learned how to counter his approach, and he is scrambling to respond. Same goes for batters. The opposition is always looking for ways to counter their strengths and exploit their weaknesses. Those who are constantly adapting and trying to be 'unpredictable' have a better chance to succeed, especially at the highest level of competition.

 

Yep! Max Scherzer is a perfect example of that. The guy is on record stating that he studies his peripherals religiously to find room for improvement.

[Jimcanuck]

The team can easily be competitive next year.

 

Any team can be competitive the next year. Realistically, for the Jays, chances are quite slim for 2018. Too many holes, too many aging players, limited farm help ATM.

[G-Snarls]

Alford activated off the DL

[THANOS]

Alford activated off the DL

 

Yes!! A silver lining.

[Bobthe4th]

Alford activated off the DL

 

Assigned to New Hampshire. Hope he gets recalled to the majors soon, still carrying 8 relievers and at this point in the season giving prospects playing time is more important.

[G-Snarls]

Assigned to New Hampshire. Hope he gets recalled to the majors soon, still carrying 8 relievers and at this point in the season giving prospects playing time is more important.

 

Yeah

 

I hope they don't wait until September to call him up

[Pendleton]

Assigned to New Hampshire. Hope he gets recalled to the majors soon, still carrying 8 relievers and at this point in the season giving prospects playing time is more important.

 

Definitely would go a long way in maintaining my interest in the rest of the season if we get to watch guys like Alford on a regular basis.

[GoldBull]

Fangraphs released the midseason KATOH and KATOH+ top 100 today.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/katohs-midseason-2017-top-100-lists/

 

KATOH+ (incorporates BA's midseason list)

Vlad Jr - 1

Bo - 23

KATOH

Vlad Jr - 3

Bo - 19

Danny Jansen - 83

[Dr. Dinger]

Vladito numero uno, dios mio!

[BTS]

Ronald Acuna #1 according to KATOH and #1 in my heart

[Dr. Dinger]

Ronald Acuna #1 according to KATOH and #1 in my heart

 

Acuna is legit sexy, I have prospect envy on that one. I remember last year thinking I might try to trade up to draft him, but then he got major helium and burst my bubble.

[Orgfiller]

Chris Mitchell seems like a real gem. I can't say I know if KATOH/KATOH+ does a good job at projecting future MLB'ers, but he seems very open to getting feedback and suggestions on how to improve his model and he explains with valid arguments why some guys may or may not appear out of place.

[AdamGreenwood]

Chris Mitchell seems like a real gem. I can't say I know if KATOH/KATOH+ does a good job at projecting future MLB'ers, but he seems very open to getting feedback and suggestions on how to improve his model and he explains with valid arguments why some guys may or may not appear out of place.

 

And he starts off with limitations about the model, instead of acting like it's the ultimate last word in prospect rankings.

[keggy]

Any team can be competitive the next year. Realistically, for the Jays, chances are quite slim for 2018. Too many holes, too many aging players, limited farm help ATM.

 

The front office needs to be a little more aggressive about plugging holes than they were this year. There's a happy medium between going all-in and giving Ryan Goins 300 AB.

 

If we minimize giving major playing time to below-replacement players, we can definitely field a competitive product without hurting the future.

[Terminator]

The front office needs to be a little more aggressive about plugging holes than they were this year. There's a happy medium between going all-in and giving Ryan Goins 300 AB.

 

If we minimize giving major playing time to below-replacement players, we can definitely field a competitive product without hurting the future.

 

I think signing a multi-position player or two would help a lot when it comes to giving so many ABs to the Ryan Goins's of the world.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think at every level (and more so as they move up) it's also about responding to the opposition when they adapt to what you are doing. For example, Estrada was successful for quite a while focusing on the 4SFB and an excellent CH. But now opponents have finally learned how to counter his approach, and he is scrambling to respond. Same goes for batters. The opposition is always looking for ways to counter their strengths and exploit their weaknesses. Those who are constantly adapting and trying to be 'unpredictable' have a better chance to succeed, especially at the highest level of competition.

 

I know what you mean but I think with Estrada its not about being figured out but rather he just isn't healthy and his command hasn't been good. The terrible defense has had the biggest impact on why his numbers aren't as good as the last 2 years.

[Spanky__99]

I know what you mean but I think with Estrada its not about being figured out but rather he just isn't healthy and his command hasn't been good. The terrible defense has had the biggest impact on why his numbers aren't as good as the last 2 years.

 

Was just going to post about his command being the problem.

[Spanky__99]

I think signing a multi-position player or two would help a lot when it comes to giving so many ABs to the Ryan Goins's of the world.

 

Lourdes will save us!