Blue Jays to hire Mark Shapiro as new president/CEO following 2015

[JPArenshitia]

Hearing the way people keep saying his last name is starting to get on my nerves.

[Stangstag]

Hearing the way people keep saying his last name is starting to get on my nerves.

 

Same haha

[Virgil_Hiltz]

Interesting that he isn't coming to Toronto until the offseason. Thought Beeston would show him the ropes the next couple of months to get a fast track.

 

Beeston will probably ask to hang around for $200,000/month to show Shapiro the ropes.

Shapiro hopefully will politely decline.

Let Shapiro be Shapiro!

[Statman]

lmao anyone know that Shapiro's brother in law is Eric Mangini the football coach?

 

Mangini's drafts were responsible for two consecutive AFC championship appearances. He was so underrated by the casual football fan.

[GD]

Quick breakdown of Shapiro's history.

 

http://www.breakingblue.ca/2015/08/31/mark-shapiro-named-successor-to-president-role/

[reedjohnsonfan]

Quick breakdown of Shapiro's history.

 

http://www.breakingblue.ca/2015/08/31/mark-shapiro-named-successor-to-president-role/

 

Poor moves: how about giving Hafner an extension into his 30s? I remember that being an awful signing.

[JPArenshitia]

Same haha

it sounds so ridiculous. watching brady on sportsnet now, and he says it every 3 seconds.

[TheHurl]

Interesting that he isn't coming to Toronto until the offseason. Thought Beeston would show him the ropes the next couple of months to get a fast track.

 

an upcoming Indians and Jays playoff matchup will be way more interesting. Yes I'm just saying this as I have 3 Indians AL and World Series bets.

[Dick_Pole]

Interesting that he isn't coming to Toronto until the offseason. Thought Beeston would show him the ropes the next couple of months to get a fast track.

 

LOL Beeston will give him a detailed map of the Rogers Center and the keys to the whiskey drawer and that'll be pretty much all Shapiro needs from him.

[TheHurl]

Quick breakdown of Shapiro's history.

 

http://www.breakingblue.ca/2015/08/31/mark-shapiro-named-successor-to-president-role/

 

work on that one a little more. Maybe a chart of his best and worst transactions. Discuss that he has never give a 5 year deal (which fits into the Jays ownership well). Getting an article out quickly is great...but keep working on it to get a really good article.

[reedjohnsonfan]

work on that one a little more. Maybe a chart of his best and worst transactions. Discuss that he has never give a 5 year deal (which fits into the Jays ownership well). Getting an article out quickly is great...but keep working on it to get a really good article.

 

Gomes/Kipnis 6 years (according to Jeff Blair, I didn't check).

[GD]

work on that one a little more. Maybe a chart of his best and worst transactions. Discuss that he has never give a 5 year deal (which fits into the Jays ownership well). Getting an article out quickly is great...but keep working on it to get a really good article.

 

The depth of the article was a conscious decision

[GD]

Gomes/Kipnis 6 years (according to Jeff Blair, I didn't check).

 

Antonetti

[TheHurl]

work on that one a little more. Maybe a chart of his best and worst transactions. Discuss that he has never give a 5 year deal (which fits into the Jays ownership well). Getting an article out quickly is great...but keep working on it to get a really good article.

 

I just read what I said and realized what an ass I came off as. Not my intention at all, and I'm a GD fan. Just would love to see you and Breaking Blue stepping outside the traditional box of reviews (especially on executives).

[reedjohnsonfan]

Antonetti

 

my mistake

[GD]

I just read what I said and realized what an ass I came off as. Not my intention at all, and I'm a GD fan. Just would love to see you and Breaking Blue stepping outside the traditional box of reviews (especially on executives).

 

Not at all. I'll PM you

[TheHurl]

Gomes/Kipnis 6 years (according to Jeff Blair, I didn't check).

 

Sorry meant free agent deals. Those deals just extended controllable years. Biggest free agent deals of his era are the Swisher and Bourn deals. Biggest one to a free agent pitcher was a two year deal to Wood in 2008.

[burlingtonbandit]

Mangini's drafts were responsible for two consecutive AFC championship appearances. He was so underrated by the casual football fan.

 

football coaches don't draft players.

[CanuckofChicago]

I know most of you are excited that Paul Beeston is finally leaving. However, I personally feel no ill words towards the man. I remember meeting him twice and actually having a in-person and phone conversation with the man after I wrote to him explaining the terrible time my wife and I had a Chicago White Sox and Blue Jays game this past season. He personally called me and my wife in Chicago and offered to give us two premium tickets to a game in Toronto or Chicago for any game, since him and Reinsdorf are friends.

 

When I was the phone with him, he was nice, apologetic, and actually wanted my input on how to make the experience better, but still I could imagine him sitting at his desk with his feet on the desk - with no socks, drinking a scotch and chomping on a cigar.

 

Sooner or later everyone will start hating on Mark Shapiro and it will begin again.

[Ziggyy108]

football coaches don't draft players.

 

lol ......

 

not even close.

 

Pete Carroll has full control in Seattle. He even had the power to hire the GM to work with him (John Schneider) ... He is involved in every single roster decision and draft pick.

 

Also Chip Kelly has similar control

[fireballW]

i don't think there's any evidence at all that aa puts stock in analytics. In fact, there's every reason to believe that he doesn't.

 

smh

[Statman]

football coaches don't draft players.

 

To the casual fan that is the perception but even Tannebaum admitted Mangini was largely responsible for Darrell Revis as well as Vernon Golston, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, and David Harris.

 

That core was awesome and Rex Ryan was the one to credit for their success which was unfortunate.

[TheHurl]

Sorry meant free agent deals. Those deals just extended controllable years. Biggest free agent deals of his era are the Swisher and Bourn deals. Biggest one to a free agent pitcher was a two year deal to Wood in 2008.

 

Found an article on their biggest deals.

 

http://www.letsgotribe.com/2014/12/16/7344883/cleveland-indians-free-agent-signing-history

 

The list below does not include extensions or contracts given out to re-sign players, only to guys coming from other team. This list includes every contract worth more than $15 million total or (in one case) $10 million per year, plus the team's first big free agent contract, signed 38 years ago.

 

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Michael Bourn: 4 years, $48 million (February 15, 2013)

 

Bourn was expected to sign for more than this, but the draft-pick compensation tied to him hurt his value. In the first two years of this deal, Bourn has played in 236 games and hit .260/.315/.360 (92 OPS+). That modest line isn't too far from what he was hitting before, but there's been a huge decline in Bourn's defense and base stealing. He's gone from being considered one of the best center fielders in baseball to below average defensively, and from averaging more than 50 steals a year to totaling only 33 of them for the Indians. He has 2.8 WAR*to date with Cleveland.

 

*All WAR figures cited in this post are the Baseball-Reference version.

 

Nick Swisher: 4 years, $56 million (January 3, 2013)

 

Swisher was coming off four consecutive seasons with an OPS+ of at least 120 and at least 23 home runs. In his first season with the Tribe, a strong finish put him not far from those figures (115 OPS+ and 22 home runs). He fell apart in 2014 though, missing more than 60 games due to injuries and posting one of the worst batting lines in baseball, and playing poor defense when put in the field. Through the first two years of this deal, he's batting .231/.316/.386 (99 OPS+), and has totalled 2.7 WAR

 

Kerry Wood: 2 years, $20.5 million (December 10, 2008)

 

Oof. Wood, whose injury history had turned him from a very starter into perhaps a very good reliever, was signed to be the Tribe's closer. (It was well understood that this was a risky move at the time.) He stayed reasonably healthy, but did not pitch well. He appeared in 81 games (with 28 saves), posting an ERA of 4.80 (ERA+ of 87). He totaled -0.2 WAR with the Indians, who traded him at the deadline in 2010 just to be free of some of the money they still owed him.

 

Juan Gonzalez: 1 year, $10 million (January 9, 2001)

 

Gonzalez famously turned down an 8-year, $140 million tract offer from Detroit prior to 2000, then had a down (and injury shortened) year and wound up settling for this deal when he hit free agency instead. He hit .325/.370/.590 (148 OPS+) with 35 home runs in his season with the Indians, worth 4.4 WAR, making him well worth the money.

 

Ellis Burks: 3 years, $19.5 million (November 19, 2000)

 

Burks was 36 was the Indians signed him, but coming off a huge year for San Francisco, and playing in a time when hitting well into one's late 30s was not uncommon. Burks didn't match his peak production, but did well for the Indians, hitting .287/.364/.520 (133 OPS+), while mostly serving as the team's DH. Injuries limited him to only 317 games over those three years, but he still totaled 7.5 WAR.

 

Chuck Finley: 3 years, $27 million (December 16, 1999)

 

Finley threw 437 innings for the Tribe in 74 starts. His ERA with the team was 4.59, which was good for a 102 ERA+ in those days. He had 5.8 WAR with the Indians, 4.5 of it in his first season with the team, before being below average the rest of the way. He was traded to St. Louis in July of 2002, with Coco Crisp coming back in the deal.

 

Roberto Alomar: 4 years, $30 million (December 1, 1998)

 

The Indians hit the jackpot with this one, as Alomar (already a 9-time All-Star) turned in the best three-year stretch of his career upon joining the team. He hit .323/.405/.515 (134 OPS+) for the Tribe, while also stealing 106 bases (in just 122 attempts) and winning three more Gold Gloves and finishing in the top four of the AL MVP voting twice. He was traded before the final year of the contract, for a package that didn't pan out. He totaled 20.3 WAR in his three years, and he placed 36th on our countdown of the greatest players in franchise history.

 

Kenny Lofton: 3 years, $24 million (December 8, 1997)

 

Lofton has been traded to Atlanta less than nine months earlier, but both sides were happy to reunite. Lofton was not quite as potent as he had been before, but was still very good. In the three years of this deal he hit .286/.381/.422 (104 OPS+) while stealing 109 bases (in 132 attempts) and playing good defense in center field. He was worth 14.9 WAR in those three years. (The Indians then exercised a team option for 2001, which proved to be a down year for Kenny).

 

Wayne Garland: 10 years, $2 million (November 19, 1976)

 

The first free agent contract the Indians gave out was (at the time) a whopper. Garland pitched 282.2 innings in his first year with the team, with a 3.60 ERA (110 ERA+), so they certainly got their money's worth that season, but Garland played only another four years after that, each of them hampered by injuries. He retired following the 1981 season, but the Tribe was only halfway through paying him. His full numbers for the life of the contract: 613.1 innings, a 4.50 ERA (89 ERA+), 3.3 WAR.

 

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Looking at these deals, I see four big wins (Lofton, Alomar, Burks, Gonzalez), two big busts (Garland and Wood), one minor bust (Finley, though if you factor in that the Indians were able to acquire Crisp for him, it looks pretty good), and two that cannot officially be called yet (Swisher and Bourn), both of which seem likely to end up in the big bust department. Meanwhile, we're approaching 14 years since the club's last high-cost free agent success.

[burlingtonbandit]

lol ......

 

not even close.

 

Pete Carroll has full control in Seattle. He even had the power to hire the GM to work with him (John Schneider) ... He is involved in every single roster decision and draft pick.

 

Also Chip Kelly has similar control

 

Yeah I shouldn't of said it like that. Obviously Belichek and Carroll do but Mangini didn't. Anyways not going to derail the thread over this.

[Statman]

Yeah I shouldn't of said it like that. Obviously Belichek and Carroll do but Mangini didn't. Anyways not going to derail the thread over this.

 

Mangini DID have say! Tannebaum was even on record saying this.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I am absolutely sickened by the news of Mark Shapiro coming to Toronto. The guy was an inept GM who for some inexplicable reason was promoted to President in Cleveland. He lived off the Bartolo Colon trade for years. I have absolutely no idea why the Jays would target him as the successor to Beeston. I fear a statement move like firing AA will happen sometime in the off season. This is a sad day for Blue Jays fans who are so excited about the legitimate WS contender that we now have. Shapiro can only screw this up.

 

I'm sickened by the 15-20,000 people who now come to games and pretend they're diehards and in the same breath say they haven't been to a MLB game in 22 years.

[FFantasy]

I'm sickened by the 15-20,000 people who now come to games and pretend they're diehards and in the same breath say they haven't been to a MLB game in 22 years.

 

Who cares, suck it up.... people want to enjoy a good thing and skip all the hardship. It's less rewarding that way but I still can't blame 'em.

[o2cui2i]

I'm sickened by the 15-20,000 people who now come to games and pretend they're diehards and in the same breath say they haven't been to a MLB game in 22 years.

 

sheeple are what they are... in their minds they have always been fans but that's because they don't really know what a fan does. They are a fan of the hype and people who are fans of hype are always fans of hype.

 

next shiny thing will take them out of baseball.

 

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm83lhmxmx1qi4ns0o1_500.gif

[BigCecil]

I'm sickened by the 15-20,000 people who now come to games and pretend they're diehards and in the same breath say they haven't been to a MLB game in 22 years.

 

Don't get this. Its not like this doesn't happen in almost every MLB city in any almost any sport when teams win.

 

When I was in Anaheim last week a bunch of scalpers approached me to sell me tickets for Friday night. I said "they must be going fast with Price on the bump". One guys response was: "LAA fans are too stupid to know the pitchers so it doesn't matter".

 

Casual fans are the vast majority of the fan base. They chase winners and so does the corporate money for entertaining clients.

 

I just hope some of them stick around to become better more educated, loyal baseball fans based on the excitement Jays generated for this great game. Its good for the Jays and good for baseball to have the stands packed.

Edited August 31, 2015 by BigCecil

[TwistedLogic]