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Overall he has been very good over last 15 starts. Have we now established "the Dickey effect" is a thing?

 

I don't think you were on the board when this was published back in 2013 so here you go.

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I'm tired of reading about the "Dickey effect", especially as it pertains to the playoffs.

 

David Price is starting Game 1. Deal with it.

 

If Dickey makes the playoff rotation it will be because he is one of the best 3 or 4 starters, not because of some "effect" that may reduce the ERA of the starting pitcher who follows him by 0.46. In one game, in real life, in real time, that rounds down to 0 runs saved. Zero.

 

Talk to me about something that freaking matters.

Posted
I'm tired of reading about the "Dickey effect", especially as it pertains to the playoffs.

 

David Price is starting Game 1. Deal with it.

 

If Dickey makes the playoff rotation it will be because he is one of the best 3 or 4 starters, not because of some "effect" that may reduce the ERA of the starting pitcher who follows him by 0.46. In one game, in real life, in real time, that rounds down to 0 runs saved. Zero.

 

Talk to me about something that freaking matters.

 

It messes with the timing of SOME batters. The reason why Cito didn't start some of his players when playing against a knuckler.

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It messes with the timing of SOME batters. The reason why Cito didn't start some of his players when playing against a knuckler.

 

Well if Cito did it...

Posted
It messes with the timing of SOME batters. The reason why Cito didn't start some of his players when playing against a knuckler.

 

These guys don't take batting practice or hit the cages between games to re-adjust?

 

If there is a dickey effect, it would be in game when the bullpen comes in.

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Cito has won 2 back to back MLB championships. How many have you won Hurly?! #back2back

:P

 

Back to back Premier League championships. Would have had a third if it weren't for that pesky Greenwood.

 

For the record my books have the Jays opponents scoring 3.34 runs this year when playing the Jays in a second straight after a Dickey start..

Posted
Cito did do it, of course, in 91. It was a rousing success, as I recall.

 

And how many Knuckleballer's did the Jays face in 1991?

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Don't know. I'm talking about Candiotti over Guzman

 

I knew what you were talking about (Key was the correct choice for game one though IMO), but the original discussion on Cito was how he would sit certain hitters against knuckleballers or the day after knuckleballers to keep their timing. To the best of my knowledge Candiotti was only knuckleball pitcher in the league in 91

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I knew what you were talking about (Key was the correct choice for game one though IMO), but the original discussion on Cito was how he would sit certain hitters against knuckleballers or the day after knuckleballers to keep their timing. To the best of my knowledge Candiotti was only knuckleball pitcher in the league in 91

 

Also Charlie Hough

  • 1 month later...
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Didn't like the decision to go with RA over Price for a bunch of reasons. Regardless we got the W.

 

But RA delivered again, and was surprised he got the yank when he did but Choo had 2 hits off of him so a short leash.

 

Nice job RA in your first ever playoff game.

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Didn't like the decision to go with RA over Price for a bunch of reasons. Regardless we got the W.

 

But RA delivered again, and was surprised he got the yank when he did but Choo had 2 hits off of him so a short leash.

 

Nice job RA in your first ever playoff game.

 

I completely agree. I hear about Dickey starting and I go "oh s***". And then he does this. Same thing with Estrada yesterday. Truly the Dangerfield of my baseball world at least...

 

If we come back to win this thing, the biggest edge we may have is that our #3 and #4 are so much better than their's

  • 7 months later...
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http://i.imgur.com/FhlRX4L.gif

 

 

Bump. RA doesn't get much love and drives most of us nuts in every start. But 3 earned runs in his last 21 IP and pitching better. We are going to need him (and other) when they send Sanchez back to the pen. Lets hope he keeps it rolling.

Posted (edited)
The Dickey Rocks! I've always been a supporter, I understand the frustration when he gets lit up, but the guy is so valuable. Edited by Spanky99
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The Dickey Rocks! I've always been a supporter, I understand the frustration when he gets lit up, but the guys is so valuable.

 

My thinking exactly.:D

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Thing is, his value now is not what the jays needed it to be. They wanted (foolishly) to gave an ace calibre guy leading the rotation at a below market price.

 

What they got was a mid to backend innings eater at maybe market value at best when you consider the Dickey effect, which is somewhat offset having to carry Thole.

Posted
Thing is, his value now is not what the jays needed it to be. They wanted (foolishly) to gave an ace calibre guy leading the rotation at a below market price.

 

What they got was a mid to backend innings eater at maybe market value at best when you consider the Dickey effect, which is somewhat offset having to carry Thole.

 

He's been better than that, but the Thole factor is quite real. Plus, a lot of folks thought we were getting a cy calibre guy at 12 million per, he has still brought way more value then his contract, problem is we through a s*** tonne of value out the window on spects, 1 of which it's disgustingly lopsided, it still isn't R.A.'s fault. He's been excellent, in that vacuum.

  • 5 months later...
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I realize its heresy in these here parts to praise the guy given the ace price we paid to get him vis a vis how he has performed.

 

We will forever think of RA negatively when Noah blows away another hitter.

 

When you look at his numbers aside from chewing up IP they aren't impressive.

 

BUT his last 10-12 starts have been solid (one when he was dealing with loss of his Father) and when we needed a big start on enemy turf last night he gave it.

 

Like most, watching him pitch usually pisses me off, but he has pitched well enough to think you almost have to pick up that 2016 option just to get the innings out of him.

 

Keep it rollin' RA. Thanks.

 

Goodbye RA Dickey.

 

The Dickey era is all over. What a tenure!

 

http://images.bigcartel.com/product_images/166392271/Dickey_on_Dickey.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&h=1000&w=1000

Posted (edited)

Took a couple days after the sting of Gm 5 to leave for me, but I started this thread and wanted to end it.

 

You weren't what we what we paid for. You cost us Thor and only gave us 6 WAR.

 

But you chewed up many decent starts and genuinely seemed like you had a lot of smarts.

 

You brought us Thole and the worst playoff hammering in our history. Who knew Cliff Pennington had such a decent fastball?

 

A seemingly very nice guy, who forever could not shake the cost of bringing him here. There were moments that transcended our general hatred of the trick pitch that made you famous; prolonged your career and got you a NL Cy Young award. Your acquisition permanently scarred AA's reputation with many, and offset some of the brilliance of moves that he made like JD deal.

 

Sincerely, wish him well in his future path but the time here, even at a much reduced cost, has come to end I hope. Thanks for the memories and a class approach regardless of the adversity that you faced on the bump and with the fan base.

Edited by BigCecil

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