Fuentes: BlueJays showing strong interest in Mike Fiers.

[The Cats Ass]

When did he get cut - back in college or something?

 

2005 while in college.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=58617

[LTR]

I can't get too excited about Mike Fiers.

 

I think the Blue Jays should give Felix Doubront a chance. He has a better win-loss record than Mike Fiers and the strikeouts per nine innings aren't that different - http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/doubrfe01.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fiersmi01.shtml

 

PS: Marco Estrada has comparable stats to Fiers and better win loss record - http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/estrama01.shtml . I think Estrada is a better comparison to Fiers than Doubront since both Estrada and Fiers pitched in Milwaukee.

 

I'm surprised the Indian's haven't demoted Kluber, his win-loss record is not good.

[nextyear]

In spite of whether people use wins and losses, or one of the other 100 possible stats, Estrada is just as impressive as Fiers. Doubront isn't far off.

 

I would rather the Blue Jays forget about Fiers and go with what they have. Sanchez will be back soon, in the bullpen.

[BTS]

In spite of whether people use wins and losses, or one of the other 100 possible stats, Estrada is just as impressive as Fiers. Doubront isn't far off.

 

I would rather the Blue Jays forget about Fiers and go with what they have. Sanchez will be back soon, in the bullpen.

 

No. There are very valid reasons for believing that Fiers is better than Estrada or Doubront.

[TwistedLogic]

Shields and Hamels - controllable BUT expensive.

 

Jose Quintana and Alex Wood - controllable BUT expensive in terms of prospects.

 

Gallardo, Haren, Colon, Leake - Not controllable, particularly sexy, or cheap in terms of $$, but wouldn't cost a very good prospect.

 

"Colon Leake" is all you need to know about that last list.

 

He's very good but from what I've read (on this forum) his mechanics are awful and a big red flag.

 

Didn't people say that about Chris Sale?

 

Gomez really doesn't fit in with the Jays. Sure he's a nice player but for the cost you could get someone who will give you more value.

 

Acquiring Gomez would be like acquiring Donaldson.

 

There's a good chance that there is no better player available on the market, and there's a chance that you won't have to pay them nearly what he's worth.

 

If the Jays can pick up Gomez for a justifiable rate, they should do everything they can to make it happen. Picking up Fiers with him would also be a very solid move, considering that he's probably undervalued by the market for his age and general obscurity.

[magits]

What would it take to pry Greinke away from the Dodgers?

 

I'd give Hoffman, Pentecost, Nay, Labourt, Tirado, and Danny Barnes.

[BTS]

What would it take to pry Greinke away from the Dodgers?

 

I'd give Hoffman, Pentecost, Nay, Labourt, Tirado, and Danny Barnes.

 

The Dodgers wouldn't trade him.

[GD]

@TL I'd still be terrified to acquire Chris Sale. I'd do it in a f***ing heartbeat but every start would be a minor heart attack, to be honest.

[GD]

The Dodgers wouldn't trade him.

 

They probably would and then they'd resign him in the offseason it'd be hilarious

[BTS]

They probably would and then they'd resign him in the offseason it'd be hilarious

 

I legit don't think they'd move him for any prospect at this point. Winning a WS matters more than anything else, and it's hard to see a scenario where the probability of that happening this year doesn't drop with a Greinke trade.

[GD]

I legit don't think they'd move him for any prospect at this point. Winning a WS matters more than anything else, and it's hard to see a scenario where the probability of that happening this year doesn't drop with a Greinke trade.

 

Greinke for prospects, de Leon for Hamels. Maybe, who knows. Greinke's value must be ridiculous on his scoreless streak right now.

[RealAccountant]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/jays-have-no-intention-of-trading-snider-drabek.html

[flafson]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/jays-have-no-intention-of-trading-snider-drabek.html

 

I wish we had a crystal ball on all our prospects...

[BTS]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/jays-have-no-intention-of-trading-snider-drabek.html

 

Doesn't matter. He wouldn't have re-signed here anyway.

[intentional wok]

I legit don't think they'd move him for any prospect at this point. Winning a WS matters more than anything else, and it's hard to see a scenario where the probability of that happening this year doesn't drop with a Greinke trade.

 

Agreed. The Dodgers' Win Now mode looks pretty unshakeable. I can't think of a (reasonable) deal that would convince them to part with Greinke at this point, even if it were some kind of long term super haul. And then there's their direct rival, the Giants, who make it all look so damn easy.

[TwistedLogic]

The Dodgers wouldn't trade him.

 

If they got offered a package like that they might. He's probably going to opt-out of his deal at the end of the year, and I don't see Friedman and Zaidi as the kind of guys that will hand out a premium long-term extension to a 32 year old pitcher. They could trade away Greinke for a king's ransom and then easily pursue Hamels, who's on a much better deal right now than what Greinke will sign for. The Dodgers are one of the few teams that can absorb the entire Hamels contract and pay less to acquire him. RoS, the dropoff from Greinke to Hamels is probably negligible, but they'd get future insurance on the Hamels contract, and make a small fortune in prospects.

[GNick49]

Big fan, he'd be a strong addition. If we could get a package of Gomez + Fiers + KRod, then we could really justify giving up long-term assets like Norris or Hoffman.

 

IF Sanchez is going to pen doubt he will acquire KRod

[Atothe]

They probably would and then they'd resign him in the offseason it'd be hilarious

 

Exactly he has an opt out and then price himself out

[glory]

IF Sanchez is going to pen doubt he will acquire KRod

 

Yeah Sanchez to the pen seems to signal that trading for pen help is not going to happen. It doesn't need to. Pen is fine. It's the rotation that needs help, hence the Fiers talk.

 

AA going for a cheap as hell rotation option means he probably has no money to play with, despite what is being said in the media. That's a good thing. Limits the amount of damage he can do in a trade.

[intentional wok]

Yeah Sanchez to the pen seems to signal that trading for pen help is not going to happen. It doesn't need to. Pen is fine. It's the rotation that needs help, hence the Fiers talk.

 

AA going for a cheap as hell rotation option means he probably has no money to play with, despite what is being said in the media. That's a good thing. Limits the amount of damage he can do in a trade.

 

While I don't doubt the amount of money is probably less than he's letting on, AA going after cheaper SP options could also just be a result of there being very few first- or second-tier SPs who won't leave the team at the end of September (or October). Not sure any one SP, no matter how good, pushes the Jays over the top anyway, so it's probably better to grab a guy who can be and continue to be a piece of a re-tooled rotation for 2016 and on.

 

At this point, anybody who can fill the IP gaps that are going to be left by Buehrle and Dickey is going to be a target (especially Dickey; any good excuse to not exercise his option is fine by me).

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Interesting article on Fiers when he first started pitching in the majors...

 

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/7/9/3146765/michael-fiers-versus-the-radar-gun-how-is-he-winning

 

88 mph fastball, crafty, etc., sounds like MB v2

[Boxcar]

Interesting article on Fiers when he first started pitching in the majors...

 

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/7/9/3146765/michael-fiers-versus-the-radar-gun-how-is-he-winning

 

88 mph fastball, crafty, etc., sounds like MB v2

 

Jesus Christ

 

Hmm, unsure if I should sig. I like mine now.

[jayswin11]

We should trade Reyes to the Dodgers for Crawford, Rollins and $$$

[BigCecil]

Greinke for prospects, de Leon for Hamels. Maybe, who knows. Greinke's value must be ridiculous on his scoreless streak right now.

 

No doubt. Some GMs love to buy high even when it is certain that that level of performance cannot be maintained.

 

With Gomez talk, heard anything on Saunders. Done for yr?

[Gorlak]

Yeah Sanchez to the pen seems to signal that trading for pen help is not going to happen. It doesn't need to. Pen is fine. It's the rotation that needs help, hence the Fiers talk.

 

AA going for a cheap as hell rotation option means he probably has no money to play with, despite what is being said in the media. That's a good thing. Limits the amount of damage he can do in a trade.

 

Having no money means you have to pay more in talent, so it causes much more damage to the teams future. That's what the Dickey trade was.

[glory]

Having no money means you have to pay more in talent, so it causes much more damage to the teams future. That's what the Dickey trade was.

 

I meant he wouldn't be able to make a trade at all, hence limiting damage.

 

He is ready to overpay for something to placate the fans/try to save his job. If he has no money, then the chances of finding a rotation upgrade making 500k is very slim. Fiers might be the only realistic guy I can think of that fits that mold and who is realistic trade candidate. If he has no money, then it's more likely he stands pat, which is what he should do rather than trade more prospects to field a .500 team.

[jaysblue]

Interesting article on Fiers when he first started pitching in the majors...

 

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/7/9/3146765/michael-fiers-versus-the-radar-gun-how-is-he-winning

 

88 mph fastball, crafty, etc., sounds like MB v2

 

Fiers actually can strike people out with his crafty stuff.

[Angrioter]

 

Fiers actually can strike people out with his crafty stuff.

 

Brad Mills won Strikeout category at AAA.

[leaffie]

He is ready to overpay for something to placate the fans/try to save his job."

 

And how do you know this?

[jaysblue]

Brad Mills won Strikeout category at AAA.

 

Last time I checked, theres a difference between pitching in the MLB vs. AAA.