Fuentes: BlueJays showing strong interest in Mike Fiers.

[GD]

Guys, Pillar had a nice 1st half but to automatically assume he's a better defender than Gomez is a serious homer call. Pillar's career UZR/150 in CF is 9.2 thru 772 innings, Gomez is 14.7 in over 7000 innings.

 

I wonder what Albert Almora's will be.

[jays4life19]

Will Venable + Ian Kennedy would be my targets. Fills our need for a SP and a left handed bat. Won't cost a shitload either as both are rentals.

[jays_fever]

it's a year and half of gomez jesus

 

1.5 years of an elite player+ 2 draft picks + I think 4 years of Mike Fiers is worth that. You're kidding yourself if you think its not

[LTR]

Calling up Pompey is the best overall choice at the moment

 

Pompey is no where near ready.

[Daniel Labude]

1.5 years of an elite player+ 2 draft picks + I think 4 years of Mike Fiers is worth that. You're kidding yourself if you think its not

 

Fiers has not thrown more than 120 ish innings in the big leagues in any season yet. Not worth what you think he is.

[Daniel Labude]

Pompey is no where near ready.

 

I think he is close. Definitely in a better place than he started the season.

[Dr. Dinger]

I wonder what Albert Almora's will be.

 

Actually Pillar is a pretty good comp for his skillset. 50-55 hit, 45 pow, 55 speed, 60 D.

[jays_fever]

Fiers has not thrown more than 120 ish innings in the big leagues in any season yet. Not worth what you think he is.

 

But Jeff Hoffman who couldnt even strike out high A ball players as a 22 year old is the next Halladay right?

[LTR]

Actually Pillar is a pretty good comp for his skillset. 50-55 hit, 45 pow, 55 speed, 60 D.

 

60 D? Come on dude... Pillar is a 70 D, maybe higher. And you can't even look at UZR the SSS is not large enough.

[Daniel Labude]

But Jeff Hoffman who couldnt even strike out high A ball players as a 22 year old is the next Halladay right?

 

So Fiers is the next Halladay...lol

[jays_fever]

So Fiers is the next Halladay...lol

 

[Dr. Dinger]

60 D? Come on dude... Pillar is a 70 D, maybe higher.

 

Dumn.

[GD]

Actually Pillar is a pretty good comp for his skillset. 50-55 hit, 45 pow, 55 speed, 60 D.

 

His scrapiness is like a 65 best, Pillar's is 80 grade. Meh.

[GD]

The day we trade Hoffman I'm gonna take LTBF off IL just to watch his meltdown. Can't wait

[Orgfiller]

So Fiers is the next Halladay...lol

 

Way to completely miss the point. Fiers strikes out nearly a batter per inning at the big league level while Hoffman struggles to get 6 K/9 as an older player against much inferior competition.

 

Odds are easily against Hoffman ever becoming as good as Fiers is right now, and a lot of that is just from the usual attrition rate for pitching prospects.

[Frenchsoup]

Way to completely miss the point. Fiers strikes out nearly a batter per inning at the big league level while Hoffman struggles to get 6 K/9 as an older player against much inferior competition.

 

Odds are easily against Hoffman ever becoming as good as Fiers is right now, and a lot of that is just from the usual attrition rate for pitching prospects.

 

So are we asking ourselves would we do Hoffman for Fiers straight up? I'd prob do that.

[Dr. Dinger]

So are we asking ourselves would we do Hoffman for Fiers straight up? I'd prob do that.

 

LOL holy f***. No... god no. Never in a million years.

[GD]

So are we asking ourselves would we do Hoffman for Fiers straight up? I'd prob do that.

 

Is it fair? Depending on Fiers' control maybe, without looking at his stats and maybe if he has like 4 years of control, but in terms of market value we could get so much more.

 

Edit: Overlooking him no it's not fair

[Daniel Labude]

Way to completely miss the point. Fiers strikes out nearly a batter per inning at the big league level while Hoffman struggles to get 6 K/9 as an older player against much inferior competition.

 

Odds are easily against Hoffman ever becoming as good as Fiers is right now, and a lot of that is just from the usual attrition rate for pitching prospects.

 

I understand the point. I just don't agree with it. If we trade Hoffman it needs to be for an ACE. Not the equivalent pitcher as Estrada.

[Orgfiller]

So are we asking ourselves would we do Hoffman for Fiers straight up? I'd prob do that.

 

Yeah that's not happening, but if you were to get an elite player in Gomez as part of a package then you need to have Hoffman available.

[Frenchsoup]

Is it fair? Depending on Fiers' control maybe, without looking at his stats and maybe if he has like 4 years of control, but in terms of market value we could get so much more.

 

Edit: Overlooking him no it's not fair

 

Fair enough, i also trust Fiers to stay healthier. Gets k's only throwing 90 is nice. Hoffman throwing 95-97 coming off tj is a major health concern.

[Dr. Dinger]

Would you trade Hoffman and Sanchez for Sonny Gray?

 

1000 times over, yes.

[BigCecil]

Can't acquire Gomez. It would upset team morale. Gomez/Pillar each want CF.

 

Pillar would have to STFU and move over to LF and give us an insane upgrade in outfield defense.

 

You don't just move a guy who has been one of the best (if not the best) CFs in the game to LF.

 

Pillar has been very good but that guy in TB has been THE best. We are .500 and in a race and our OF depth and D is one the reasons we cant break through. Cant worry about Pillar's ego. We are already too worried about Reye's psyche.

 

Move Pillar to left and give Saunders some ABs against RHP when he comes back.

[Angrioter]

Hoffman doesn't reaches his prospect value yet. We will trade him next year for Carlos Carrasco or Salazar

[Daniel Labude]

Would you trade Hoffman and Sanchez for Sonny Gray?

 

Yep, I'd even trade Hoffman and Norris for Sonny Gray.

[LTR]

Dumn.

 

What is with this s*** lately.

[GD]

Kevin Kiermaier is a god

[Gorlak]

Starting to get concerned AA will need to overpay with prospects because he is forced to go after players not getting paid.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah that's not happening, but if you were to get an elite player in Gomez as part of a package then you need to have Hoffman available.

 

Gomez really doesn't fit in with the Jays. Sure he's a nice player but for the cost you could get someone who will give you more value.

[Orgfiller]

Gomez really doesn't fit in with the Jays. Sure he's a nice player but for the cost you could get someone who will give you more value.

 

We don't really know what the cost would be, and who could we realistically say that we can trade for that is better? It's nice to think that hypothetically every player is available for a fair package, but a lot of high value players simply aren't on the block.