Sorrow Verified Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 I'll leave it where it's been since he did the Marlins trade at disapprove.
jayswin11 Verified Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 I'm trying real hard but I still can't forgive the Dickey deal.
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 Top 17 GM i would say. He's very average but he's no Amaro Jr.
BTS Community Moderator Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 5.5 years on the job 19 games under 0.500 despite competitive payroll under 0.500 at the break in the third 'all in' season that has so far resulted in a max of 83 wins Disapprove. Thanks for Donaldson though.
Daniel Labude Jays Centre Contributor Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 Overall bad, but he has had some good moments
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 Who would approve. 6 years and no playoffs in sight. Still remember the 2010 season opener and how much excitement there was, with Snider playing full time and all the guys coming up Sigh
glory Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 In the post-Gillick era, JP Ricciardi was the best GM in franchise history. That says something. AA is not Gord Ash bad, but he's not good, either. Just be thankful for Donaldson, and now put the keys in another GM's hands to see if he can right this ship one way or another.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 Really wish we could see who voted for what
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 In the post-Gillick era, JP Ricciardi was the best GM in franchise history. That says something. AA is not Gord Ash bad, but he's not good, either. Just be thankful for Donaldson, and now put the keys in another GM's hands to see if he can right this ship one way or another. JP Riccardi left a mess when he was fired. Remember the bottom-ranked farm? AA did clean it up.. but that 2012 trade caused me to give him a neutral mark. And JPR was the one who picked garbage like Russ Adams, David Purcey and Ricky Romero over better talent..
glory Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 JP Riccardi left a mess when he was fired. Remember the bottom-ranked farm? AA did clean it up.. but that 2012 trade caused me to give him a neutral mark. And JPR was the one who picked garbage like Russ Adams, David Purcey and Ricky Romero over better talent.. JPR built much better teams, though. His MLB moves were fine. His drafting sucked. AA is the opposite, and when your calling card is drafting, and you proceed to make the type of trades he made in 2012-13, then that's pretty much the end of the road.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 i picked 'neither approve or disapprove'... he's not the worst GM out there and the Marlins and Mets trades were more Beest than AA, IMO
Ehjays Verified Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 Disapprove, But I did like the Donaldson trade and still can't believe he unloaded Wells saving close to 100million
S33n Verified Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 Really wish we could see who voted for what Didn't mean to thank your post, I'm slightly buzzing. I voted for disapprove.
ElNik2013 Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 I voted for neither approve nor disapprove. I'm really more concerned with those above him. Just look at that gong show last off season in trying to replace Beeston. I mean, that was incompetence and trust me I know because it takes one to know one. I really just hope he doesn't do something dumb to try to save his job. I'd hold him in higher regard if he left the team as is and was even able to get a couple decent prospects for guys like Buehrle, Cecil, Loup and maybe a couple others.
Frenchsoup Verified Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 I voted for neither approve nor disapprove. I'm really more concerned with those above him. Just look at that gong show last off season in trying to replace Beeston. I mean, that was incompetence and trust me I know because it takes one to know one. I really just hope he doesn't do something dumb to try to save his job. I'd hold him in higher regard if he left the team as is and was even able to get a couple decent prospects for guys like Buehrle, Cecil, Loup and maybe a couple others. This. I liked all his moves in the offseason -not trading Navarro. The Kratz deal last year still bugs the s*** out of me though.
ElNik2013 Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 I'm generally happy with what's in the farm and at the MLB level. If he were to be fired now or in the offseason, I think he'd be leaving a better franchise than when he took it over. It's interesting that Bautista's emergence may have changed this F/O's plan to do a major tear-down, but who really knows.
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 This. I liked all his moves in the offseason -not trading Navarro. The Kratz deal last year still bugs the s*** out of me though. And yet Kratz still can't get an MLB job. KC took Butera over him, and the Red Sox didn't want him either. He has yet to pass backup C Jesus Sucre on the depth charts.. Hey, it got us Valencia, a decent bench player vs. lefties. And we got Hendriks back on waivers..
flafson Verified Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 I approve of his actions, could be better but could be a lot worse.
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 I'm generally happy with what's in the farm and at the MLB level. If he were to be fired now or in the offseason, I think he'd be leaving a better franchise than when he took it over. It's interesting that Bautista's emergence may have changed this F/O's plan to do a major tear-down, but who really knows. I remember how horrid the Jays system was back in 2009/2010.. check out this article from 2009 from our farm system back then under JPR.. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8609 Travis Snider is basically a journeyman now, and whatever happened to Scott Campbell? And boy did JPA bust...
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 I remember how horrid the Jays system was back in 2009/2010.. check out this article from 2009 from our farm system back then under JPR.. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8609 Travis Snider is basically a journeyman now, and whatever happened to Scott Campbell? And boy did JPA bust... WTF difference does it make if they dont win anyways. I dont understand why you use a million ways to judge AA AND the jays when you need only look at wins-losses
closetjaysfan Verified Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 Its hard to blame a lot of the fails on AA. Overall, you have to remember this is the least attractive division for pitchers in MLB... and toronto is the least attractive city. Offensively, we have one of the best in team history. Defensively the worst. Fielding has been terrible, but much of that is due to injury and some is due to Gibbons. SP has been bad, RP has been average but misused. We should have had a better outfield, but we were counting on Saunders to replace Melky and at the time everyone thought that was genius. now, im thinking we would all love melky. Pompey was really the only bad call, but Pillar has played better than Pompeys best projections. As for pitching, there were plenty of marque names this winter, but big contracts. It would have been great to get Scherzer but at that cost? and would he even want to play here? The one move he did make is working out (estrada). in all, it seems kinda early in the season to call it.... i want to see what happens after july when teams start talking trade. If we are still in it by then.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 I'm in the disapprove camp, though admittedly the needle has swung from strongly approve to disapprove over the past 3 seasons. The brilliant trade to unload wells was the high water mark for me. Then it started to go backwards 24 hours later when he traded Napoli for a bad closer. Right there it started to become apparantthat his player valuation system was flawed. He did well to exploit the comp picks before mlb closed that loophole. But then he traded for overpriced talent and gave away way too much for a f***ing 37 year knuckleballer because he'd won a Cy Young....and the Florida trade was further proof that his valuations were suspect. He completely ignored the free agent market when it could help the club. Starting pitching has been the biggest need for 3 years and there's been nothing done about it except trying to catch lightning in a bottle year after year for rotations spots 4 through 8, when he should have been focusing on improving spots 1 through 3. Too many spots in the past 3 years have gone to replacement level or lower players when they're supposedly trying to contend. From year 3 on, it's been basically knowing what needs to be done, but never getting it done. Theres been good moves since then, Ala Donaldosn, Martin and Travis. But complete failure in addressing the teams pitching needs is once again the anchor weighing down the team. For me, if he doesn't swing something before deadline that improves the teams pitching in a meaningful way, it's probably time to cut ties.
SAAviour Verified Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 For me, if he doesn't swing something before deadline that improves the teams pitching in a meaningful way, it's probably time to cut ties. I agree unfortunately. The worst part is thanks to the teams play I don't think trading significant prospects for a rental makes any sense now so AA has painted himself into a corner and needs to find a contollable pitcher. I won't vote until July 31st but the clock is ticking and AA knows it. And remember, the grass is not always greener on the other side, be careful what you wish for. I'm scared who they would replace AA with!
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 I agree unfortunately. The worst part is thanks to the teams play I don't think trading significant prospects for a rental makes any sense now so AA has painted himself into a corner and needs to find a contollable pitcher. I won't vote until July 31st but the clock is ticking and AA knows it. And remember, the grass is not always greener on the other side, be careful what you wish for. I'm scared who they would replace AA with! True, but there's trades out there for more than just rentals. He just has to pull the trigger even if it means giving up someone he doesn't want to.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 Neither approve or disapprove, I want to see what happens at the deadline and seasons end.
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 I like the position player core and the farm system so I approve
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 WTF difference does it make if they dont win anyways. I dont understand why you use a million ways to judge AA AND the jays when you need only look at wins-losses This analogy is like judging a starting pitcher based solely on wins and losses...
nonamejays Verified Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 If there was a way to keep the drafting focus that AA has, and his occasional ninja move like Wells and Donaldson, that would be great. However, he has a propensity for not addressing problems on the roster at all. The bullpen was looking like it was going to be a disaster this year at the same time last year. What did AA do? not a damn thing. I know pen arms are the most volatile part of a team and you can usually get by with throwing random crap at the wall, something will stick. However, you usually need 1 or 2 good relievers regardless that you know you can count on. We did not have that. It also didn't help that the Jays lost two good starters in Stroman and Happ. With Dickey falling off a cliff, now the Jays only have 2 starters that are of any quality on a major league roster and they are a #3 (Bueherle) and a #4/5 (Hutchison). The jays needed a 2B ever since Hill was here, and that wasn't addressed until this year. Just very very slow to address any problems in the roster at all.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 This analogy is like judging a starting pitcher based solely on wins and losses... A GM who has been on the job for six years and his high water mark in wins was with the team he inherited minus Roy Halladay (2010....meaning that team may have been capable of better if they kept Roy) is not doing his job. Of course you judge him on wins, especially since he shitcanned the future to win in 2013-15.
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