John Gibbons Thread (+ Venting)

[o2cui2i]

I was so puzzled at the game today. Gibbons feels it's important to use Sanchez and Lowe with a 9-4 lead though in a close 3 run game he decides to turn to Hawkins and Tepera? I'm lost for words right now.

 

And Lowe is used instead in the 8th in a blowout when the game was far out of reach.

 

You're telling me losing 5-2 in the 7th and holding the score isn't as important as using Sanchez and Lowe with a 9-4 lead yesterday. Ugh

 

why is Terpera even on the roster? dude was a flaming sack of s*** all year. couldn't even make the team with the 40 man in the beginning of sept and then he's a playoff arm? lol

[BTS]

I was so puzzled at the game today. Gibbons feels it's important to use Sanchez and Lowe with a 9-4 lead though in a close 3 run game he decides to turn to Hawkins and Tepera? I'm lost for words right now.

 

And Lowe is used instead in the 8th in a blowout when the game was far out of reach.

 

You're telling me losing 5-2 in the 7th and holding the score isn't as important as using Sanchez and Lowe with a 9-4 lead yesterday. Ugh

 

I don't really have a problem with Hawkins being brought in. He's been a quality arm. I just don't understand how Tepera came in with the season on the line. It should have been Lowe or Osuna for a hail mary chance at keeping the lead at 3.

[tercet]

lolz

[jaysblue]

I don't really have a problem with Hawkins being brought in. He's been a quality arm. I just don't understand how Tepera came in with the season on the line. It should have been Lowe or Osuna for a hail mary chance at keeping the lead at 3.

 

I guess though Hawkins hasn't been that great as of late. It's not the end of the world. And with Gibbons always leaning on Sanchez, Lowe and Osuna, you would have thought using them to hold the score in a 5-2 game was as or more important than using them with a 9-4 lead.

[JohnnyLonghorn]

Then Gibby decides to send him out for the 9th just to completely burn out his arm for tomorrows game.

[glory]

Osuna, Sanchez, Lowe in a blowout.

 

Hawkins and Tepera in a 3-run game.

 

Gibbons in a nutshell.

[candymartinez]

When Lowe came in the Jays win expectancy was 0% (rounding down obviously). How can you justify burning through one of your best relievers there when you have to win the next three games?

 

(and variance has nothing to do with that)

[jaysblue]

why is Terpera even on the roster? dude was a flaming sack of s*** all year. couldn't even make the team with the 40 man in the beginning of sept and then he's a playoff arm? lol

 

Like BTS said, you need to use an arm like Lowe or Sanchez in that situation with the bases loaded to get the strikeout since they give you the best chance in getting one.

 

This isn't a regular season game, it's the postseason. It's inexcusable using Tepera in that situation.

[Treeplant]

[Professional Hitter]

Like BTS said, you need to use an arm like Lowe or Sanchez in that situation with the bases loaded to get the strikeout since they give you the best chance in getting one.

 

This isn't a regular season game, it's the postseason. It's inexcusable using Tepera in that situation.

 

Btw, when was the last time Tepera was used in a game before this - like 3 weeks ago? How do you bring a guy that cold in a situation like that??

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Gibbons:

 

http://i.imgur.com/OWyUeqJ.gif

 

http://i.imgur.com/G6hyuP5.gif

[Daniel Labude]

lmfao

 

This was the worst managed game of the season and now you want to start patting your back? Yeah you can gtfo with that.

 

With the s*** I took for the majority of the year....yep, gonna pat myself on the back

 

 

http://media.giphy.com/media/mn1cym1jiJOUg/giphy.gif

 

[closetjaysfan]

It is pretty simple. We lose Cecil with roster restrictions in place and Gibbons real Achilles heal gets exposed: Complete inability to manage the bullpen. He has an offense that only requires him to write down the names of his marquee players at the beginning of the game with the only real decision making limited to cola vs. smoak. Perhaps his only real true responsibility, subbing out pitchers at the right moment, he utterly sucks at. He is equally bad at knowing who to put on the mound.

[bronson44]

It's no wonder the Jays have scored so much this season in that shag-carpeted, glorified miniature golf course you call a ball park. Ha Ha....You look like a feminist team. Signed kc fan.

 

uhh ok

[Boxcar]

It's no wonder the Jays have scored so much this season in that shag-carpeted, glorified miniature golf course you call a ball park. Ha Ha....You look like a feminist team. Signed kc fan.

 

Little known fact: It's called a ballpark because it is a ballpark.

[TilsonBritoFan]

Managers don't usually have a tonne of influence. This team usually scored a bunch of runs and managing it to win is easy when u put up crooked numbers. Gibby was no help there.

 

But we had a horrible, putrid record in 1 run games, and that's where managers can make their mark.

 

If your team wins 93 games but is like 10-27 in 1 run games it means you have an amazing lineup but a s***** manager.

 

Gibby kills me. Nice guy but a goof. This team with Madden would have won 100 games this year.

[BTS]

Managers don't usually have a tonne of influence. This team usually scored a bunch of runs and managing it to win is easy when u put up crooked numbers. Gibby was no help there.

 

But we had a horrible, putrid record in 1 run games, and that's where managers can make their mark.

 

If your team wins 93 games but is like 10-27 in 1 run games it means you have an amazing lineup but a s***** manager.

 

Gibby kills me. Nice guy but a goof. This team with Madden would have won 100 games this year.

 

*Maddon

[jaysblue]

Managers don't usually have a tonne of influence. This team usually scored a bunch of runs and managing it to win is easy when u put up crooked numbers. Gibby was no help there.

 

But we had a horrible, putrid record in 1 run games, and that's where managers can make their mark.

 

If your team wins 93 games but is like 10-27 in 1 run games it means you have an amazing lineup but a s***** manager.

 

Gibby kills me. Nice guy but a goof. This team with Madden would have won 100 games this year.

 

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XYQIffoJ--/18hgli8d2ks8qjpg.jpg

[BTS]

Also, the team was 15-28 in 1-run games.

 

Also, they won fewer 1-run games than any other team in the league, and still won 93 games. That means that they tended to win games by more than one run. Only this forum would get on the manager for winning games by a large margin more often than any other team in the league.

[Trouba95]

Where's pickoff22? I want to know where he stands with Gibby now.

[TilsonBritoFan]

Also, the team was 15-28 in 1-run games.

 

Also, they won fewer 1-run games than any other team in the league, and still won 93 games. That means that they tended to win games by more than one run. Only this forum would get on the manager for winning games by a large margin more often than any other team in the league.

 

If u could pick the top 25 players in baseball and create a super team, put Gibby in charge, they'd probably win 140 games yet have a below .500 record in one run games. And Gibby would deserve zero credit for the blowout wins.

 

AA gave him the best team in paper. He's able to win in cruise control most of the time. But in one run games when the decisions matter most he turns it into one of the worst teams in baseball.

[CHRIS]

But in one run games when the decisions matter most he turns it into one of the worst teams in baseball.

 

I think the problem with looking at 1-run game records and forming conclusions from that is that there are so many different ways to arrive at that scenario, without the game being a super stressful chess match. I don't think that a win in those scenarios necessarily equates to successful managing, and vice-versa. If the Royals had scored two more runs in the 9th of game 3, the Jays would have won 11-10. Within the lazy analysis of 1-run-wins-means-good-managing, that game would have been a tick in Gibby's favour.

 

I remember a study a while back that looked at Bobby Cox's record in 1-run games from one season to the next. In one season he had one of the best records, the next season he had one of the worst. It's just so random.

 

Gibby, like most managers, makes a lot of dubious moves. Yesterday he certainly Gibbed the most I've ever seen him Gibb, and he deserves scrutiny for that. In general though, it's quite possible that next season (assuming that he's around) the team's record in 1-run games might do a complete reversal for various reasons, and very little of that change will have anything to do with any "improvement" in Gibby's managerial style.

[pickoff22]

Where's pickoff22? I want to know where he stands with Gibby now.

 

Gibby has made a few questionable decisions in the ALCS. It doesn't help having a weak pen, but when that's the case you need to optimize it's use and he hasn't done that so far this series. Yesterday's use of Tepera was beyond questionable, I don't see how that can be rationally explained - not just because of the use of Tepera in a bases loaded situation but also the fact he hasn't pitched in 3 weeks. Not fair to him. Lowe was his only real other option, and he tried to explain that he wanted to save him, but in a 3 run game I don't agree. I will/have defended Gibby when he takes unwarranted criticism, but I have no issue being critical of a decision when it calls for it.

[HERPDERP]

so thank god I did not watch the game, but can someone explain to me why Gibby went to Mark Lowe in this game?

 

Why couldn't he have used Loup?

[candymartinez]

so thank god I did not watch the game, but can someone explain to me why Gibby went to Mark Lowe in this game?

 

Why couldn't he have used Loup?

 

Loup wasn't there.

 

I seriously would have went to Pennington way earlier.

[pickoff22]

so thank god I did not watch the game, but can someone explain to me why Gibby went to Mark Lowe in this game?

 

Why couldn't he have used Loup?

 

Loup wasn't available, got a phone call before game and had to leave (assume death in family, though not announced). Only real other option was Lowe unless you're bringing in Sanchez or Osuna already at that stage. However Lowe was a much much better option.

[EMK19]

so thank god I did not watch the game, but can someone explain to me why Gibby went to Mark Lowe in this game?

 

Why couldn't he have used Loup?

 

Loup wasn't available due to family issues again.

[EMK19]

I hope AA has learned the lesson here concerning the depth of the roster... He covered most of the areas well at the deadline but he did overlook the depth of LHP's in the pen by having too much faith in Cecil to remain healthy rest of the way and hoping that Loup somehow comes around after a bad start. Of course this current Loup situation isn't anyone's fault but even if he pitched he wouldn't exactly have been reliable to anyone's eyes outside a LOOGY situation anyway.

 

One of Hawkins/Lowe at the deadline should have been a lefty instead... Maybe we should have kept around Phil Coke, lol.

[KingKat]

It a combination of Loup not being available and Tepera failing miserably in his attempt to eat innings.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

This whole thing with Loup is so frustrating. If his family issues are this serious he should not have been kept on the roster. Having Hutch for a blowout game like last night would've been huge.