CrackerJack Verified Member Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 It goes a bit beyond that. Cito pretty much single-handedly drove Shaun Green and John Olreud out of town because they didn't hit the way he wanted them to. Guy was a giant *******, and his ego was f***ing huge. The core of the championship teams loved playing for Cito. Flags fly forever.
CrackerJack Verified Member Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Thanks for mentioning that book. I'll see about finding Francona's book when I have a chance. Bet Francona would probably be saddened at what his former club has become (although the Indians haven't been great either.. more due to poor spending on guys like Swisher and Bourn.) Francona's book also has good insight on the whole chicken and beer in the clubhouse ordeal (which he didn't oppose.)
GD Old-Timey Member Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Cashman arrived at the sabermetrics party very late ... he made numerous horrendously awful and laughable big ticket pitching acquisitions after Cone, Clemens, Wells moved on (as Torre's biography highlights.) But he got there. Still waiting on AA. Must be a long line at the buffet.
CrackerJack Verified Member Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 But he got there. Still waiting on AA. Must be a long line at the buffet. well, given that AA gave Russell Martin the biggest FA contract in Blue Jays history he probably was looking at more than Russell's career batting average and RBIs ...
Maahfaace Verified Member Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 well, given that AA gave Russell Martin the biggest FA contract in Blue Jays history he probably was looking at more than Russell's career batting average and RBIs ... AA definitely uses all tools at his disposal, he just over enjoys catching lightning in a bottle
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Why should he. Gibbons knows long term job security can be attained by staying at .500. There is no reason to do better. No Motivation. No incentive. Thats why Dubrount will stay in tonight until he blows it.
BigCecil Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Play Smoak, FYSMC The only reason you are remotely justified in playing Colla with his D liabilities is if he hits...a lot. So why does Gibby think Colla will hit Gray better than Smoak LH?
glory Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Let's rag on Cito Gaston some more and ignore what's going on today. It's more fun.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Let's rag on Cito Gaston some more and ignore what's going on today. It's more fun. Or DV went yard whore? Sense and sensibility...Toe-Rag.
Daniel Labude Jays Centre Contributor Posted July 23, 2015 Author Posted July 23, 2015 Wow...the shitbag manager cost us another game. Well I guess if we end 10 games below .500 we can all say...a good manager would have made this team .500 lol
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Edwin was pure dogshit tonight. He had RISP for 3 of his at bats tonight and did dick all. If he had come through with a base hit in any of those situations, we would have won. Edwin has been a huge disappointment this year and i'm not sure if he should bat cleanup anymore.
LTR Verified Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Edwin looks like 2010-2011 Edwin, that's about all I have to say about that.
thatoneguy Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 That smirk on his Gibbons' face after the Colabello didn't scoop that throw from JD f***ing pissed me off.
flafson Verified Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Wow...the shitbag manager cost us another game. Well I guess if we end 10 games below .500 we can all say...a good manager would have made this team .500 lol Why do you say that? Because Smoak didn't play at first? If that's your argument, what is your take on Valencia hitting a home run?
CJ-Freeway Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Edwin was pure dogshit tonight. He had RISP for 3 of his at bats tonight and did dick all. If he had come through with a base hit in any of those situations, we would have won. Edwin has been a huge disappointment this year and i'm not sure if he should bat cleanup anymore. I agree. He's become a joke. All he had to do in the 9th was to hit a lazy fly ball for us to win it.
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 The in game management last night was one of the worst in this 22 year drought. Citis had worse but then again not much was expected from.him
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 The in game management last night was one of the worst in this 22 year drought. Citis had worse but then again not much was expected from.him Oh relax.
labadee Verified Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 every time the jays lose, this thread gets longer by a few pages lol
BigCecil Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Edwin looks like 2010-2011 Edwin, that's about all I have to say about that. He has really struggled. (for him). Earlier on I thought it was injury related but now it just seems teams throw him breaking s*** away and he isn't getting to it or laying off. When they come in he is missing it often. He is still a threat.
TBJ12 Verified Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 every time the jays lose, this thread gets longer by a few pages lol As it should. Not saying last nights game was on Gibby, but this team need to find a way to win close games in a hurry.
Daniel Labude Jays Centre Contributor Posted July 23, 2015 Author Posted July 23, 2015 Why do you say that? Because Smoak didn't play at first? If that's your argument, what is your take on Valencia hitting a home run? With proper defense fundamentals at first and Smoak hitting with men on baae instead of Colabello we would have won easily. Valencia homered but as often with this team....offense alone isnt enough to win
Governator Community Moderator Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 You have some serious problems, one is a making something trivial seem like something important. But why should I expect rational thought from someone with a frowning spiderman outfit as his avatar? Let me help you
Frenchsoup Verified Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 i missed the game last night any big mistakes by Gibbons? Obviously the lineup card was s***, but in game decisions?
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 i missed the game last night any big mistakes by Gibbons? Obviously the lineup card was s***, but in game decisions? Not really.. it was mostly bad luck last night. And of course, that play at the end of the game would've likely scored, no matter who plays 1B.
CrackerJack Verified Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 So why does Gibby think Colla will hit Gray better than Smoak LH? well, Gray does a bit better against LH batters and Smoak is 1 for 12 (with 6 Ks) vs Gray. oh, and big game winning rbi by Cola today!
BigCecil Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 well, Gray does a bit better against LH batters and Smoak is 1 for 12 (with 6 Ks) vs Gray. oh, and big game winning rbi by Cola today! lol. Give me a break. Gray's career stats are virtually even on splits - Smoak this year hasn't been Smoak of past and he gives you better D. He might have even picked the JD throw. This season Colla is hitting LHP better than RHP although he has held his own against both. Don't cherry pick Smoaks past stats to compare when most of Colla's stats come from independent f***ing ball. I have no issue with Colla starting today against LHP when he isn't on the field, aside from the fact I like Smoaks D at 1B over Edwin. Yup he got a great hit today.
CrackerJack Verified Member Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Great win by the Gibber! pinch hitting Carrera for Valencia ... sticking with Cola for yet another game winning knock ... exceptional use of the pen etc. etc.
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