TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 One thing that the board was pretty unanimous on was that the large majority of us could see, easily, that Syndergaard seemed like a better guy to keep than Sanchez. We can't know for sure but seemed the organizational never really caught on to that. We don't necessarily know that. Maybe the Mets insisted on Thor over Sanchez and it was a deal-breaker otherwise. That trade was still f***ing stupid, and I hate so much that it happened. I never even wanted to give them d'Arnaud, but the moment Syndergaard's name came up, the phone should have been slammed shut. ********, terrible trade.
Daniel Labude Jays Centre Contributor Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Alexis Brudnicki #BlueJays also looking at #Padres James Shields. No top prospects off the table, all potentially up for grabs. AA just needs to go away...no trades...just let it go until the offseason.
Ambassador Ch0n Verified Member Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Alexis Brudnicki #BlueJays also looking at #Padres James Shields. No top prospects off the table, all potentially up for grabs. ........so now we're going to give up prospects for a guy on an inflated FA deal we could have just signed in the off -season? Classic. f*** this team.
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 No, the Blue Jays made Aaron Sanchez absolutely untouchable and were willing to move Syndergaard. It wasn't the Mets who insisted on Syndergaard. It looks pretty dumn, yes. Syndergaard dominated the minors at every stop and has outrageous stuff. It's difficult to see how the disconnect over his value occurred. It's idiotic that it was even a question of Syndergaard or Sanchez. I wouldn't have even done that trade if it was d'Arnaud and Nicolino (had he still been with the organization). And it's not like it took us years to figure out that it was a terrible trade, everybody could see it at the time. ........so now we're going to give up prospects for a guy on an inflated FA deal we could have just signed in the off -season? Classic. f*** this team. We couldn't have signed him in the offseason. I don't know why this fact seems to be so difficult for some of you to register, but free agents don't want to come here. They have to be forced against their will, and the only way to do that is through trade.
Abomination Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 ........so now we're going to give up prospects for a guy on an inflated FA deal we could have just signed in the off -season? Classic. f*** this team. This is the time of the year when "insiders" make up tons of s*** and hope some manages to stick and make them look like they actually have legit connections. I wouldn't put any stock into the general rumors.
Hipfan Verified Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Dickey for Noah was worse. Noah is good and handsome. No, the Loaiza trade was far worse. At least Dickey has provided some value over the past 2.5 seasons. Loaiza gave them nothing, absolutely nothing. And I'm not defending the Dickey trade at all, it was a terrible deal, but not as bad as that trade.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Gerry Fraley Philadelphia and Toronto both have scouts at Rangers game tonight. Tollerson
jays_fever Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Shields on a 4/80 contract wouldnt be TERRIBLE, but we better not give up prospects for the privilege to pay him that
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Shields on a 4/80 contract wouldnt be TERRIBLE, but we better not give up prospects for the privilege to pay him that And hopefully the Padres eat some of that money, which they will likely have to because of that awful contract.
CJ-Freeway Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Shields on a 4/80 contract wouldnt be TERRIBLE, but we better not give up prospects for the privilege to pay him that Lol they will most probably be asking for top prospects.
CJ-Freeway Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Martin just robbed Tex of a dinger. Sweet.
Ambassador Ch0n Verified Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 It's idiotic that it was even a question of Syndergaard or Sanchez. I wouldn't have even done that trade if it was d'Arnaud and Nicolino (had he still been with the organization). And it's not like it took us years to figure out that it was a terrible trade, everybody could see it at the time. We couldn't have signed him in the offseason. I don't know why this fact seems to be so difficult for some of you to register, but free agents don't want to come here. They have to be forced against their will, and the only way to do that is through trade. Easy nerdboy. Calm your mantits, concentrate on the tranny you have as your waifu-avatar, its gonna be okay. ;-)
Ambassador Ch0n Verified Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 This is the time of the year when "insiders" make up tons of s*** and hope some manages to stick and make them look like they actually have legit connections. I wouldn't put any stock into the general rumors. Hopefully this is the case.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 The only way acquiring Shields makes sense is if they can get him for nothing, or take a huge contract (Reyes) in return. Giving up prospects for him at a bloated FA salary would be the definition of insanity.
TilsonBritoFan Verified Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 ........so now we're going to give up prospects for a guy on an inflated FA deal we could have just signed in the off -season? Classic. f*** this team. True Dat. SD gets the cheap year, we pick up the tab on the rest? f*** that!
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Well, the Rays are trying to bury the Tigers, as they lead 3-0.
TilsonBritoFan Verified Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 It's idiotic that it was even a question of Syndergaard or Sanchez. I wouldn't have even done that trade if it was d'Arnaud and Nicolino (had he still been with the organization). And it's not like it took us years to figure out that it was a terrible trade, everybody could see it at the time. We couldn't have signed him in the offseason. I don't know why this fact seems to be so difficult for some of you to register, but free agents don't want to come here. They have to be forced against their will, and the only way to do that is through trade. I think money talks and if we outbid other teams we CAN get them to sign here. Shields got 10 million in year 1, then 21 million each of the next 3 years. If we are getting him we are going to be paying him $21 million every year we have him. Do you not think if we had offered him 4 years @ 21 million per ($84 million as opposed to the Padres 4 years, 75 million) that he would have considered it? I think he would have considered signing with us if we gave him an extra $9 million. Instead though, we'll let the Padres get him for the cheap season, AND we'll give up prospect porn.
ColdPint Verified Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 True Dat. SD gets the cheap year, we pick up the tab on the rest? f*** that! I can absolutely see us trading better prospects in exchange for SD picking up more salary....ya know, 'cause salary constraints and whatever. It's the Blue Jays way.
Abomination Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 I think he would have considered signing with us if we gave him an extra $9 million. Instead though, we'll let the Padres get him for the cheap season, AND we'll give up prospect porn. He was also basically going home signing with the Padres, which may have been worth a lot more to him than just the money.
flafson Verified Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 He was also basically going home signing with the Padres, which may have been worth a lot more to him than just the money. He should have asked for a no trade clause. That home discount is clearly smoke and mirrors.
BigBounceyBlueBalls Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Would the Astros do EE and buehrle for Carlos correa, Vincent Velasquez and Marwin Gonzalez ? Would it require money or a boyd pompey or tellez to seal the deal? Discuss!
HERPDERP Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Look at Correas numbers and project them over a full season. He's going to be an MVP candidate.
King Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Would the Astros do EE and buehrle for Carlos correa, Vincent Velasquez and Marwin Gonzalez ? Would it require money or a boyd pompey or tellez to seal the deal? Discuss! Astros say no
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Sorry if i am across as an *******. Its just that I really don't think much of this team and i'm strongly against AA being allowed to mortgage the future just to save his ass. And this run differential nonsense is being used a prime example to "go for it". I'm 99% sure that AA will be fired if we miss the playoffs, the new President and GM should be allowed to impose their own vision on the team and that means keeping the prospect cupboard filled and not saddling them with an old team that has no more than .500 potential. So in a way Rogers penny pinching has been helpful, AA can't make many trades with taking on atleast some salary so his ability to make trades is limited but you never know with him. What indications has AA give. You that he'll mortgage the future to 'save his ass?' Personally, I don't see it. Stupid trades now look bad for future resumes (not that he should be fired imo)
BigBounceyBlueBalls Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 To rich ? But wouldn't Buehrle and EE make them legit right now! What's the cost of a World Series ?
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Would the Astros do EE and buehrle for Carlos correa, Vincent Velasquez and Marwin Gonzalez ? Would it require money or a boyd pompey or tellez to seal the deal? Discuss! I'm not sure they do that for Velasquez alone. Good god
BigBounceyBlueBalls Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 The other question is why are our players seen as lesser of value to other teams in here? And other teams even rookies worth more? Just saying, always seems like that!
glory Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 AA won't mortgage the future because he likely can't take on much salary. There's not much he can do that would require gutting the system and getting a cheap rotation piece, unless the Carrasco rumor has any legs. It's going to end up being Fiers, someone like him (cheap), or standing pat.
BigBounceyBlueBalls Old-Timey Member Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 I'm not sure they do that for Velasquez alone. Good god Wow Debbie downer, fysmc! Now you just being a ass or retarded! Lol
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