Roberto Osuna or Noah Syndergaard in 5+ years?

[Boxcar]

Fortino's

 

Why would people go out of their way to not shop at Loblaws? This is why I have that idiot on ignore.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Boxcar, thank you I for one am Glad you have me on ignore!

 

Kindly then to not talk about or respond to things said by me!

 

Fair is fair you are a idiot, I agree!

 

Ps FYSMC have a nice day!

[Praxis]

Back on the subject of Syndergaard, interesting story by the CBC:

 

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-will-they-regret-dealing-prospects-for-r-a-dickey-1.3078434

 

Current results: 84% say it was a bad trade. No s***.

[LTR]

Back on the subject of Syndergaard, interesting story by the CBC:

 

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-will-they-regret-dealing-prospects-for-r-a-dickey-1.3078434

 

Current results: 84% say it was a bad trade. No s***.

 

Hindsight is 20/20 but even without Syndergaard it's a bad trade.

 

By the end of this year d'Arnaud may have already out-WAR'd Dickey in his time with the Mets.

 

Not to mention d'Arnaud and Syndergaard could have saved the Blue Jays $119M (Martin + Dickey's contracts).

 

Not to mention years of control.

 

Not to mention we have to carry this otherwise useless catcher in Thole.

[TheHurl]

Hindsight is 20/20 but even without Syndergaard it's a bad trade.

 

By the end of this year d'Arnaud may have already out-WAR'd Dickey in his time with the Mets.

 

Not to mention d'Arnaud and Syndergaard could have saved the Blue Jays $119M (Martin + Dickey's contracts).

 

Not to mention years of control.

 

Not to mention we have to carry this otherwise useless catcher in Thole.

 

Not to mention it really left us with JPA as our number 1 catcher

[Smokey]

"It comes down to how you evaluate R.A. and that is going to define the results of this trade. We see him as a front-of-the-rotation starter," said Anthopoulos. "He's won the Cy Young and he's pitched like one the past three years."

 

"There's just so much overwhelming evidence and data that points to him continuing to have this success. He's gotten better every single year... he's had ERAs below three two of the last three years."

 

"Right now we feel we're so close to contention that this was a deal we needed to make because it's not just about one season. This allows us to put a contending team together for an extended run."

 

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[flafson]

It's not a horrible trade by any means, we could have done a lot worse.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Am I remembering right? They traded Syndergaard instead of Sanchez because they were higher on Sanchez at the time. If they had traded Sanchez instead it might have been ok.

[LTR]

Am I remembering right? They traded Syndergaard instead of Sanchez because they were higher on Sanchez at the time. If they had traded Sanchez instead it might have been ok.

 

I doubt Sanchez was ever higher, it's just something they have to say.

[Smokey]

It's not a horrible trade by any means, we could have done a lot worse.

 

And JPA is not a horrible player, he could have been a lot worse.

[LTR]

And JPA is not a horrible player, he could have been a lot worse.

 

This is the first I've heard about JPA not being horrible.

[Smokey]

This is the first I've heard about JPA not being horrible.

 

lol

 

Straight from the horses mouth...

 

Interesting, so when JP has a plus year on defense he sucks big time, when he has a plus year on offense, he's just below average.

On the other hand, if it means that JP can have a plus glove and we all know about his potential with the bat, there is no way in hell that AA will give him up.

 

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/1496-2013-less-productive-players?p=132010&viewfull=1#post132010

[o2cui2i]

"My gut says he's good"

 

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ftfy

 

 

Alex Andhisfloppyass will always go with his gut.... which means Gyros today.

[KingKat]

Not to mention it really left us with JPA as our number 1 catcher

 

Which might have turned out o.k. if AA had not also traded Gomes. That was a lot of f***in' faith to put in JPA.

[KingKat]

Am I remembering right? They traded Syndergaard instead of Sanchez because they were higher on Sanchez at the time. If they had traded Sanchez instead it might have been ok.

 

Synder was who the Mets wanted.

[o2cui2i]

Which might have turned out o.k. if AA had not also traded Gomes. That was a lot of f***in' faith to put in JPA.

 

when Gomes was traded everyone except for the chicks JPA was banging and that matt harvey handicapped kid knew JPA was a steaming stack of s***. How did AAs gut not know?

[Governator]

How did AAs gut not know?

 

Gyros with extra tzatziki and a diet pepsi got in his way.,

[o2cui2i]

Gyros with extra tzatziki and a diet pepsi got in his way.,

 

he might miss trades, but I'm sure he doesn't miss many meals.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

How many innings can Osuna pitch realistically this year?

[flafson]

lol

 

Straight from the horses mouth...

 

 

 

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/1496-2013-less-productive-players?p=132010&viewfull=1#post132010

 

That was 2 years ago :/

[Boxcar]

I doubt Sanchez was ever higher, it's just something they have to say.

 

According to reliable sources, Aaron Sanchez was the only prospect they deemed untouchable in any trade.

[Boxcar]

That was 2 years ago :/

 

Though a relevant example of terrible analysis on your part. The Dickey trade was horrifyingly bad from the second it was announced, even if Dickey had been an average arm to this point.

[Smokey]

That was 2 years ago :/

 

But you have a habit of putting lip stick on a pig and deceiving yourself into believing that you "could have done worse". The reality, however, is that this trade was huge miscalculation by this FO and is arguably AA's worse move to date. He himself claimed that this trade will be defined by how they evaluate Dickey and that they see him as a frontline starter who will help them contend for an extended period. They basically thought they're buying a ferrari and ended up with a Honda and you're like 'at least we didn't get stuck with a Kia'.

[flafson]

Though a relevant example of terrible analysis on your part. The Dickey trade was horrifyingly bad from the second it was announced, even if Dickey had been an average arm to this point.

 

You weren't going to get a CY Young starter with ~4 years of control for nothing.

Would you make the same argument if Syndergaard suddenly became John Stilson?

 

Besides, it wasn't much of an analysis, all i was trying to say at the time was that when JPA sucked on defense, his offense was ok and when he sucked on offense, his defense was ok.

If you put those two together, it tells you that either he will figure it out or he won't and fail bad. Sadly, he failed.

[flafson]

But you have a habit of putting lip stick on a pig and deceiving yourself into believing that you "could have done worse". The reality, however, is that this trade was huge miscalculation by this FO and is arguably AA's worse move to date. He himself claimed that this trade will be defined by how they evaluate Dickey and that they see him as a frontline starter who will help them contend for an extended period. They basically thought they're buying a ferrari and ended up with a Honda and you're like 'at least we didn't get stuck with a Kia'.

 

Yup, that's a good way of putting it.

And sorry for lip sticking our own players, i tend to want them to succeed and i may be biased cause of it. Happens.

[KingKat]

But you have a habit of putting lip stick on a pig and deceiving yourself into believing that you "could have done worse". The reality, however, is that this trade was huge miscalculation by this FO and is arguably AA's worse move to date. He himself claimed that this trade will be defined by how they evaluate Dickey and that they see him as a frontline starter who will help them contend for an extended period. They basically thought they're buying a ferrari and ended up with a Honda and you're like 'at least we didn't get stuck with a Kia'.

 

Worst trade of his tenure? I might only be the third worst trade of that offseason after the Marlins deal and the Indians deal.

[BTS]

You weren't going to get a CY Young starter with ~4 years of control for nothing.

Would you make the same argument if Syndergaard suddenly became John Stilson?

 

Besides, it wasn't much of an analysis, all i was trying to say at the time was that when JPA sucked on defense, his offense was ok and when he sucked on offense, his defense was ok.

If you put those two together, it tells you that either he will figure it out or he won't and fail bad. Sadly, he failed.

 

It was a CY starter with one year of control. That's what the Mets were selling.

[flafson]

It was a CY starter with one year of control. That's what the Mets were selling.

 

No, the deal was based on them letting AA negotiate with Dickey, if there was no extension, there was no deal.

[Boxcar]

No, the deal was based on them letting AA negotiate with Dickey, if there was no extension, there was no deal.

 

They are pretty stupid for paying extra for that privilege.

[King]

when Gomes was traded everyone except for the chicks JPA was banging and that matt harvey handicapped kid knew JPA was a steaming stack of s***. How did AAs gut not know?

 

Matt Harvey always thought JPA was a good player.