Aaron Sanchez Reality Check Thread

[TRM]

Aaron Sanchez

“It’s not like my command is bad, they’re competitive walks,” Sanchez says. “Don’t get me wrong, there are some four-pitch walks, but being able to throw my curveball for a strike and put out people with my curveball is probably the biggest thing I wanted to work on this year, because I feel like my changeup and my fastball are pretty much there every night.”

 

 

“I want people to beat me with my best stuff, that’s everybody’s thought process,” says Sanchez. “Getting cheap hits on my off-speed was frustrating at the beginning, but I understood the big picture. This whole process since I’ve been drafted is looking at the whole big picture and yeah, maybe it’s slower and I still may be in high-A, but there’s been a plan since the day I signed and it’s about sticking to it.”

 

In past years the curveball has been more of a finishing pitch for Sanchez—an “0-2 hammer punch-out curve,” as he describes it—while this season he incorporated a slower version of it in the 79–84 range that finishes in the zone. The difference, he explains, is in “the release point.”

 

“I was trying to make it too nasty, and taking a step back, and letting it do the work out front is what’s helped me,” he continues. “It was always a good curveball, I just could never throw it for a strike, so nobody would respect it. They were sitting fastball. Now that I can throw that, it’s getting me through five, six, seven innings.”

 

This is the only kind of walk that is acceptable. I like the attitude of this guy.

[Gorlak]

Aaron Sanchez

“It’s not like my command is bad, they’re competitive walks,” Sanchez says. “Don’t get me wrong, there are some four-pitch walks, but being able to throw my curveball for a strike and put out people with my curveball is probably the biggest thing I wanted to work on this year, because I feel like my changeup and my fastball are pretty much there every night.”

 

 

“I want people to beat me with my best stuff, that’s everybody’s thought process,” says Sanchez. “Getting cheap hits on my off-speed was frustrating at the beginning, but I understood the big picture. This whole process since I’ve been drafted is looking at the whole big picture and yeah, maybe it’s slower and I still may be in high-A, but there’s been a plan since the day I signed and it’s about sticking to it.”

 

In past years the curveball has been more of a finishing pitch for Sanchez—an “0-2 hammer punch-out curve,” as he describes it—while this season he incorporated a slower version of it in the 79–84 range that finishes in the zone. The difference, he explains, is in “the release point.”

 

“I was trying to make it too nasty, and taking a step back, and letting it do the work out front is what’s helped me,” he continues. “It was always a good curveball, I just could never throw it for a strike, so nobody would respect it. They were sitting fastball. Now that I can throw that, it’s getting me through five, six, seven innings.”

 

Yikes...

[TRM]

You guys don't deserve Sanchez being good this year.

 

Agreed. It's you and me together on this one Jonn.

 

They just hate us cause they aint us.

[ElNik2013]

The fact that both Stroman and Hutchison either developed a new pitch or improved their existing pitch (es) gives me some hope that someone in the blue jays coaching staff's doing some good work at the MLB level.

[GD]

Agreed. It's you and me together on this one Jonn.

 

They just hate us cause they aint us.

 

Too far

Edited March 20, 2015 by GD

[Laika]

You guys don't deserve Sanchez being good this year.

 

At this point, every Blue Jays fan, no matter how disloyal, deserves the moon.

 

sigh

[TheHurl]

Bro, the masses have no idea who you are. Lots of work to do.

 

once they figure out who he is...he'll disappear for 8 months.

[saskjayfan]

30 ip samples out of the bullpen with no SwStr yaaaaaaaa!

 

I hope you see the irony in your post..lol.

[Laika]

I hope you see the irony in your post..lol.

 

this comeback deserves more than thanks. props for making GD look like a tool.

[BTS]

I hope you see the irony in your post..lol.

 

Not really ironic. If you're going to look at anything in a 30 IP sample, swinging strikes isn't a bad place to start. Saying that 'his ERA over a 30 IP sample isn't informative, especially when he didn't induce any swinging strikes' is a valid argument.

[GD]

I hope you see the irony in your post..lol.

 

Quick question: how quickly does ERA become reliable versus SwStr?

 

E: what BTS said

 

P.S. NJH is dumn

[saskjayfan]

Not really ironic. If you're going to look at anything in a 30 IP sample, swinging strikes isn't a bad place to start. Saying that 'his ERA over a 30 IP sample isn't informative, especially when he didn't induce any swinging strikes' is a valid argument.

 

you're assuming I'm just a casual fan who's a dumn dumn who doesn't understand advanced baseball statistics. Old Gordie scoffs at me for me judging a guy off of 30 innings because that would be ridiculous as it's not statistically significant and at the same time references a stat within the same sample size. That's f***ing ironic. His swinging strike percentage could be 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. What did 30 innings as a reliever tell you what his swinging strike percentage will be as a starter this? Absolutely nothing.

 

Why do I want Sanchez as a starter? I want him as a starter, because with my own 2 eyes, I've seen the ball come out of his hand and I like the way it looked. He's got something special if he can develop. I expect him to have ups and downs this year, but you take changes on kids with superior talent. That doesn't mean the talent always comes to fruition, but I don't for the life of me know how any of you f***ing genius' know what Sanchez is going to be as a player next year or 3 or 5 years from now because it's not that easy to project. You're not as smart as you think you are.

Edited March 20, 2015 by saskjayfan

[saskjayfan]

Quick question: how quickly does ERA become reliable versus SwStr?

 

E: what BTS said

 

P.S. NJH is dumn

 

I don't give a flying f*** about ERA, because that's not why I like the kid. I like the break on his curveball, the velocity, the movement. You're assuming I'm over the moon and pumped about the kid because he posted a tidy era last year. That assumption is incorrect

[Orgfiller]

If anything, his poor swinging strike as a reliever should be even more concerning as a starter. In relief he can afford to throw a little bit faster and doesn't have to face the same hitters for a second time.

[BTS]

If anything, his poor swinging strike as a reliever should be even more concerning as a starter. In relief he can afford to throw a little bit faster and doesn't have to face the same hitters for a second time.

 

Yeah. It's really hard to see Sanchez being effective as a starter right now. He's not going to be able to come out and pump gas for 100 pitches, and even when he only had to do it for 25 pitches he was far from dominant. I think we'll see Cosart numbers this year.

[Laika]

Yeah. It's really hard to see Sanchez being effective as a starter right now. He's not going to be able to come out and pump gas for 100 pitches, and even when he only had to do it for 25 pitches he was far from dominant. I think we'll see Cosart numbers this year.

 

So 2.1 fWAR? That would be f***ing excellent.

[BTS]

So 2.1 fWAR? That would be f***ing excellent.

 

I thought his xFIP was about a quarter of a run higher than it is was.

[TRM]

So 2.1 fWAR? That would be f***ing excellent.

 

This is what I said two pages ago. God, keep up.... simpleton.

[King]

http://i.imgur.com/ST8taYy.png

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[Laika]

I thought his xFIP was about a quarter of a run higher than it is was.

 

yeah it is was fine

[Laika]

Would you guys trade Sanchez for Hamels right now straight up if Rogers came out and said they could support the payroll increase?

 

of course?

[King]

Would you guys trade Sanchez for Hamels right now straight up if Rogers came out and said they could support the payroll increase?

 

edit: obviously Philly wouldnt do this, I'm just curious what majority thinks

 

yes

[King]

I have a feeling not all will agree

 

time to lock this thread, then

[BTS]

Would you guys trade Sanchez for Hamels right now straight up if Rogers came out and said they could support the payroll increase?

 

edit: obviously Philly wouldnt do this, I'm just curious what majority thinks

 

Anyone who says no is dumn.

[Laika]

This is what I said two pages ago. God, keep up.... simpleton.

 

no, you said 2 even

[saskjayfan]

Would you guys trade Sanchez for Hamels right now straight up if Rogers came out and said they could support the payroll increase?

 

edit: obviously Philly wouldnt do this, I'm just curious what majority thinks

 

even people like me who are hopeful of Sanchez would do that trade in a heartbeat.

[TRM]

Anyone who says no is dumn.

 

I wouldn't.

[glory]

Would you guys trade Sanchez for Hamels right now straight up if Rogers came out and said they could support the payroll increase?

 

edit: obviously Philly wouldnt do this, I'm just curious what majority thinks

 

Knowing that the organization is willing to screw around with Castro, I'd be willing to move both he and Sanchez for Hamels. One is destined to be a reliever (Sanchez), and the other is going to get his development screwed up by the org. Hamels instantly makes the team better.

[BTS]

I wouldn't.

 

Your dumn.

[TRM]

Your dumn.

 

I know