Aaron Sanchez Reality Check Thread

[saskjayfan]

90/100 times in 2015 Estrada > Sanchez imo, maybe more..

 

In 2016/17 it might sway to Sanchez, but as of now clearly Estrada is better.

 

I'm curious, are you basing this off projections of others, your own opinion? Is your opinion based on statistical analysis or qualitative analysis? Are you weighting more of your opinions based on what you've seen from spring training, or last year when you saw him.

[Angrioter]

Aaron outing live http://www.strikeout.co/baseball/289351/1/baltimore-orioles-vs-toronto-blue-jays-live-stream-online.html

[McDude]

nice to see him tinkering with a slider... odd though on his interview yesterday on the fan, he said hes not working on any new pitches.

[Rotator]

still not missing bats but guys kept pounding the ball in the ground in front of home plate, making for some tough plays on defence.

[tercet]

Through 2 Innings

 

3 Full Counts,

1 Swinging Strike against schoop on a slider.

 

Given up hits on high fastballs and his curveball

Lots of grounders on sinker when its down/low..

 

So, so far Sanchez is pitching as expected!

[tercet]

3rd inning,,

 

Got to a fullcount vs delmon young before a grounder..

Struckout Parmlee on a swinging strike on his sinker down and away vs a LHB

[Laika]

SPRING

 

7.2 IP

4 K

2 BB

1 HR

17 groundouts

3 flyouts

 

Stats are meaningless but there they are. At least the GB rate is extreme (needs to be since he can't miss bats).

[Cyris]

Through 2 Innings

 

3 Full Counts,

1 Swinging Strike against schoop on a slider.

 

Given up hits on high fastballs and his curveball

Lots of grounders on sinker when its down/low..

 

So, so far Sanchez is pitching as expected!

So when Estrada gets lit up in the spring its just a small sample size, but you have enough information to rip Sanchez even tho he is getting guys out?

[tercet]

So when Estrada gets lit up in the spring its just a small sample size, but you have enough information to rip Sanchez even tho he is getting guys out?

 

Estraada has a history of being a good pitcher, Sanchez doesn't. Shut the f*** up and use common sense.

[tercet]

We know what Estrada is, and have a good idea of what Sanchez is (a work in progress)

 

If anyone honestly with a straight face thinks Sanchez is better pitcher then Estrada RIGHT NOW, you need rethink it clearly.

[HERPDERP]

We know what Estrada is, and have a good idea of what Sanchez is (a work in progress)

 

If anyone honestly with a straight face thinks Sanchez is better pitcher then Estrada RIGHT NOW, you need rethink it clearly.

 

I think he is.

 

Sanchez has enough movement on his fastball to be a passable 5th starter.

 

Estrada, despite a better arsenal, is a BP machine. I'm not a fan of his ability to give up the homer.

 

Estrada = Hendriks to me.

 

If anything, Estrada is just as much a WIP as Sanchez. He needs to figure out how to keep the homers down.

[tercet]

We all know that Sanchez can get groundballs with his sinker, but unfortunately he has no clue where that pitch is going. Good hitters will just let him walk himself to death, or wait for off-speed.

 

Yea Estrada gives up hr, he is a command/control pitcher that lives by with a fringy fastball/changeup. It has worked for him quite well in the past, unlike Sanchez past as a starter.

 

Sanchez might be a better starter then Estrada in the future, but right now clearly Estrada is better. If you think else wise, you are simply wrong.

[HERPDERP]

We all know that Sanchez can get groundballs with his sinker, but unfortunately he has no clue where that pitch is going. Good hitters will just let him walk himself to death, or wait for off-speed.

 

Yea Estrada gives up hr, he is a command/control pitcher that lives by with a fringy fastball/changeup. It has worked for him quite well in the past, unlike Sanchez past as a starter.

 

Sanchez might be a better starter then Estrada in the future, but right now clearly Estrada is better. If you think else wise, you are simply wrong.

 

Well the metrics don't look good for Estrada. Declining K rate, rising BB rate. His first two years in Milwaukee were good, true, but I'm not comfortable seeing the trend. Besides, a guy as homer-prone as Estrada will be disastrous in this division, especially with all these on base machines that we will have to face.

 

At least Sanchez has a worm killer that will limit extra bases and produce more opportunities for a DP.

[tercet]

Valid points, but in this case I would rather take more of a certain, than a huge wildcard that has high success of failure.

[Laika]

Best thing to do is give Estrada a chance, let Sanchez start in Buffalo, and if and when Estrada blows chunks, then you call up Sanchez.

 

Giving him the job out of the gate would be stupid. IMO. He's clearly still got a lot of s*** to work on.

[StroShow]

Well the metrics don't look good for Estrada. Declining K rate, rising BB rate. His first two years in Milwaukee were good, true, but I'm not comfortable seeing the trend. Besides, a guy as homer-prone as Estrada will be disastrous in this division, especially with all these on base machines that we will have to face.

 

At least Sanchez has a worm killer that will limit extra bases and produce more opportunities for a DP.

 

In Estrada's defence, he went from essentially being great in both cats to above average. Still a lot of swing and miss there and a decent chance to bounce back.

[shortstop]

Sanchez isn't going to Buffalo.

 

I'm not sure what's ultimately in his best interests right now. End of the day, Jays view him as a starter & want to, at some point, give him a chance of getting out there every 5th day.

 

But is it in his best interests to slot him in as the #5 right now?

 

My sense is probably not & he could use more seasoning and development time out of the bullpen.

 

Bullpen this year & legitimate shot at a rotation spot 2016 is imo how to handle Sanchez.

[Laika]

Sanchez isn't going to Buffalo.

 

I'm not sure what's ultimately in his best interests right now. End of the day, Jays view him as a starter & want to, at some point, give him a chance of getting out there every 5th day.

 

But is it in his best interests to slot him in as the #5 right now?

 

My sense is probably not & he could use more seasoning and development time out of the bullpen.

 

Bullpen this year & legitimate shot at a rotation spot 2016 is imo how to handle Sanchez.

 

I don't see how the bullpen helps him become a starter. He'd just throw 90% fastballs, with the odd stupidly gigantic curve. The guy needs to throw more pitches to work on his fastball command, and keep trying to come up with an average third pitch .

[shortstop]

I should add what's implied - the jays need to win & that's part of the equation why Sanchez will stay with the big club.

[burlingtonbandit]

If Sanchez can have a GB rate in the high 50s he won't need to strike out a ton of guys to be a good number 4/5. I think Martin helps bring the BBs down.

[tercet]

If Sanchez can have a GB rate in the high 50s he won't need to strike out a ton of guys to be a good number 4/5. I think Martin helps bring the BBs down.

 

Sanchez had 4 full counts today, and Martin did well giving him some extra strikes, but he still walks too much, and is flirting with disaster.

[shortstop]

I don't see how the bullpen helps him become a starter. He'd just throw 90% fastballs, with the odd stupidly gigantic curve. The guy needs to throw more pitches to work on his fastball command, and keep trying to come up with an average third pitch .

 

 

fair enough. But can you imagine the scenario where the jays send him to buffalo instead of helping the big league club? I don't. The question this spring training is not if Sanchez will make the big league roster but whether it's as a starter or out of the bullpen.

 

Assuming he's already made the big league roster, imo, the best spot for him to work on his command/mechanics/repertoire is out of the bullpen vs. the pressures of being a starter.

[TheHurl]

Best thing to do is give Estrada a chance, let Sanchez start in Buffalo, and if and when Estrada blows chunks, then you call up Sanchez.

 

Giving him the job out of the gate would be stupid. IMO. He's clearly still got a lot of s*** to work on.

 

What if Sanchez is blowing chunks in Buffalo in that scenario?

[BTS]

I should add what's implied - the jays need to win & that's part of the equation why Sanchez will stay with the big club.

 

Unless his ERA hovers around 4.5, which it probably will.

[Laika]

Sanchez only has 34 AAA innings, and 100.1 innings in AA/AAA. His peripherals were terrible at those levels too. I think it's pretty dumb to just give him a spot on the team because he throws hard and his ERA was shiny in the bullpen last summer.

 

Also, if they keep him down in Buffalo for a couple of months they effectively get another year of control out of him, I think (because his service time will be less than 3.000 years after 2017).

[Laika]

What if Sanchez is blowing chunks in Buffalo in that scenario?

 

Call up someone else, lol.

[tercet]

sanchez only has 34 aaa innings, and 100.1 innings in aa/aaa. His peripherals were terrible at those levels too. I think it's pretty dumb to just give him a spot on the team because he throws hard and his era was shiny in the bullpen last summer.

 

Also, if they keep him down in buffalo for a couple of months they effectively get another year of control out of him, i think (because his service time will be less than 3.000 years after 2017).

 

but he throws hard bro - "random hockey puck fan who knows nothing about baseball (which is 90% of jays fan)"

[tercet]

Unless his ERA hovers around 4.5, which it probably will.

 

Cmon bro, he ain't gonna be that good

[shortstop]

Unless his ERA hovers around 4.5, which it probably will.

 

 

that's fair BTS - 'stay' in my sentence should be changed to 'start'

[CHRIS]

Sanchez only has 34 AAA innings, and 100.1 innings in AA/AAA. His peripherals were terrible at those levels too. I think it's pretty dumb to just give him a spot on the team because he throws hard and his ERA was shiny in the bullpen last summer.

 

Also, if they keep him down in Buffalo for a couple of months they effectively get another year of control out of him, I think (because his service time will be less than 3.000 years after 2017).

 

Well, what should happen and what will happen are very different things. I don't see any way this team sends down Sanchez, and not because his ERA was shiny last year, but because it was VERY shiny.