Around Baseball 2015

[o2cui2i]

44 days 18 hours and 19 minutes until spring training...... way too long

[GD]

Khris Davis of the Brewers will reportedly be dealt. Interesting target.

[Grant77]

i can't decide which is worse:

 

1) Stro for Miller

 

2) d'Arnaud and Thor for Dickey

 

Thor is more valuable than Stro and Miller combined.

[Stangstag]

Thor is more valuable than Stro and Miller combined.

 

I would argue that. Stro and Synd are pretty even, Synd is probably worth a bit more than Stro.

[Boxcar]

I would argue that. Stro and Synd are pretty even, Synd is probably worth a bit more than Stro.

 

Syndergaard is a much better pitcher than Stroman. How can you argue that they are even?

[Olerud363]

Syndergaard is a much better pitcher than Stroman. How can you argue that they are even?

 

According to fangraphs Syndergard has been worth 3.1 WAR in 150 innings, Stroman 3.5 WAR in 157 innings. Syndergard is projected for 4.1 WAR next year, Stroman for 3.4.

 

I can't imagine two players being any closer statistically... That's why one would argue they are even.

 

Stuff wise, build, there may be differences. You could argue that Syndergaard is much, much likelier to hold up... though steamer doesn't think there is much difference near term. Not sure if height is part of steamer.

 

Stroman is 1 year 4 months older... but he made his debute at almost exactly the same age as Syndergard, rooky seasons were very close.

 

The argument for Syndergard is health... which is fair. Performance wise they are very close, even minor league numbers are close.

[Laika]

Rooky

[Olerud363]

Rooky?? Have no idea if this comment is directed to me....

 

If Stroman looked like Roy Halladay (not just pitched like him circa 2001-2007) nobody would blink when you compared him to Syndergaard.

 

So the "you crazy, Syndergaard way, way better" comments are probably based on Syndergard's size and body type... which may be sound reasoning. I don't know.

[KingKat]

Rooky?? Have no idea if this comment is directed to me....

 

It's just a comment on your spelling. It's rookie.

[Olerud363]

It's just a comment on your spelling. It's rookie.

 

Fair enough... I suck at spelling and grammar.... I am sure there is a circuit missing... I did the SATs in highschool and got a pretty lopsided score... 750 550 or something.

[HERPDERP]

I'll take Thor over Stroman simply due to the body difference (I know).

 

I'm more comfortable with Thor throwing 200 innings in a season than Stroman. I think the former would last longer.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

So the Angels have needs in LF and at 2b hmmmmm!

 

Would Revere and Travis be acceptable for Skaggs and Cj Wilson ?

 

Or for just Skaggs would Revere/Goins package work?

 

Discuss!

[burlingtonbandit]

So the Angels have needs in LF and at 2b hmmmmm!

 

Would Revere and Travis be acceptable for Skaggs and Cj Wilson ?

 

Or for just Skaggs would Revere/Goins package work?

 

Discuss!

 

That first proposal is gross. I would easily do the 2nd proposal but I don't think the Angels would.

[GD]

That first proposal is gross. I would easily do the 2nd proposal but I don't think the Angels would.

 

lol

[Boxcar]

That's the first time I've ever seen BBBB make a somewhat realistic trade proposal.

[TheHurl]

That's the first time I've ever seen BBBB make a somewhat realistic trade proposal.

 

He's on path to be a future Barney. He just needs to join Greenwood's Special Fantasy Olympics league.

[Laika]

I'll take Thor over Stroman simply due to the body difference (I know).

 

I'm more comfortable with Thor throwing 200 innings in a season than Stroman. I think the former would last longer.

 

I think Stroman has a slightly cleaner and generally more athletic delivery.

 

The injury risk that comes with being short is probably overrated and possibly non-existent.

 

I mean, shorter guys might have to use more effort and dirtier mechanics in order to throw hard, which could cause injury, but that's a different primary cause.

[Dr. Dinger]

I think Stroman has a slightly cleaner and generally more athletic delivery.

 

The injury risk that comes with being short is probably overrated and possibly non-existent.

 

I mean, shorter guys might have to use more effort and dirtier mechanics in order to throw hard, which could cause injury, but that's a different primary cause.

 

I'm going to totally throw out injury risk since they've both been very healthy so far. Syndergaard has a lot more velo and Ks. I like Stroman a lot, but 5 years from now when they both start slipping in velo, I'd rather have Syndergaard.

[Laika]

I'm going to totally throw out injury risk since they've both been very healthy so far. Syndergaard has a lot more velo and Ks. I like Stroman a lot, but 5 years from now when they both start slipping in velo, I'd rather have Syndergaard.

 

Stroman has more pitchability, better command/control (better balance through his delivery too), and more tricks in his bag of pitches. He also has a work ethic and personality that rises above anyone else's. There are some things on his side too, in terms of aging gracefully.

 

We'll see.

[HERPDERP]

I think Stroman has a slightly cleaner and generally more athletic delivery.

 

The injury risk that comes with being short is probably overrated and possibly non-existent.

 

I mean, shorter guys might have to use more effort and dirtier mechanics in order to throw hard, which could cause injury, but that's a different primary cause.

 

I was going to talk about being able to survive the rigors of a full season (and not so much about injury), but then I read a sabr article that pretty much s*** on my face

 

http://sabr.org/research/does-pitcher-s-height-matter

 

tldr: Height doesn't matter.

[P2F]

I was going to talk about being able to survive the rigors of a full season (and not so much about injury), but then I read a sabr article that pretty much s*** on my face

 

http://sabr.org/research/does-pitcher-s-height-matter

 

tldr: Height doesn't matter.

 

I remember reading that article a few years ago. It's a great read.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

He's on path to be a future Barney. He just needs to join Greenwood's Special Fantasy Olympics league.

 

It might be too simple in concept to be a proving ground for the bigs, I get bored easy! One year leagues don't prove much of worth to the established leagues or do they?

[CHRIS]

I'm going to totally throw out injury risk since they've both been very healthy so far. Syndergaard has a lot more velo and Ks. I like Stroman a lot, but 5 years from now when they both start slipping in velo, I'd rather have Syndergaard.

 

I think I would almost pick the opposite. I feel like Stroman with the number of pitches he throws could get further with reduced velocity than Syndergaard.

 

That said, I wish we had both of them.

[King]

It might be too simple in concept to be a proving ground for the bigs, I get bored easy! One year leagues don't prove much of worth to the established leagues or do they?

 

Gotta start somewhere, Big B.

[King]

Live baseball, good quality --> http://streaming.lidom.com/

[Effit]

i was going to talk about being able to survive the rigors of a full season (and not so much about injury), but then i read a sabr article that pretty much s*** on my face

 

http://sabr.org/research/does-pitcher-s-height-matter

 

tldr: Height doesn't matter.

 

HDMH!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

cf

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

That first proposal is gross. I would easily do the 2nd proposal but I don't think the Angels would.

 

Gross How? Can do add some thought and maybe some words to explain why? Thanks

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Gotta start somewhere, Big B.

 

You have been watching to many after school movies.

 

Happy New Year! Lol

[GD]

Dan Haren lmfao

 

http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/01/04/dan-haren-twitter-chicago-cubs-random-stories

[Grant77]

I think Stroman has a slightly cleaner and generally more athletic delivery.

 

The injury risk that comes with being short is probably overrated and possibly non-existent.

 

I mean, shorter guys might have to use more effort and dirtier mechanics in order to throw hard, which could cause injury, but that's a different primary cause.

 

I can't completely dismiss the fact that no pitcher as short as Stroman has ever had sustained success as a starter. There have been plenty of pitchers that short, but they all end up in the bullpen or get hurt. I'm not going to pretend to know the exact reason, but I don't make a habit of betting on guys to be the only exception over a 100+ year period.