Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Grade A prospects are the elite. In theory, they have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Theoretically, most Grade A prospects develop into stars or at least major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don’t intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases. Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role. Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don’t make it at all. Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment in the book for the full analysis about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player. 1) Daniel Norris, LHP, Grade A-/Borderline A. Age 21, outstanding season in all respects, posted 2.53 ERA with 163/43 K/BB in 125 innings at three levels. He got killed in rookie ball two years ago but has made enormous progress, projects as number two starter at least. 2) Aaron Sanchez, RHP, Grade A-: Age 22, posted 3.95 ERA with 84/57 K/BB in 100 innings between Double-A and Triple-A, 1.09 ERA with 27/9 K/BB in 33 major league innings. Assumption is that he is a starter long-term. He’s never had spectacular strikeout rates and his command can wobble, but he is an extreme ground ball pitcher and his stuff is among the best of all pitchers in his age group. I had him as an A- last year and can’t reduce that given the season he had. 3) Dalton Pompey, OF, Grade B/Borderline B+: Age 22, hit .317/.392/.469 with 43 steals in 441 at-bats at three levels, .231/.302/.436 in 39 at-bats in the majors. Impressive athlete and a new favorite for Blue Jays fans, stands out for defense, speed, on-base abilities, and improving power. You can make a good case for B+. . .but he's something of a trendy pick right now, although I don’t think he was a fluke overall and this may go to B+ once I slot him on the Top 50 list. He is a lot of fun to watch too. 4) Max Pentecost, C, Grade B: Age 21, first-round pick out of Kennesaw State, hit .324/.330/.419 in pro debut in short-season ball. Excellent athlete as catchers go, but was very impatient (two walks, 21 strikeouts) in his first look at pro pitching. Rehabbing from torn labrum, not a good thing for a catcher to have, but his defense is otherwise well-regarded. I want to see how his OBP holds up and if his arm is OK before putting a "+" on there. 5) Jeff Hoffman, RHP, Grade B: Age 21, first-round pick out of East Carolina University, was seen as top five talent until he blew out his elbow, slipping to ninth. Above-average fastball, excellent curve, good change-up, number two starter based on pre-injury command and stuff but we’ll have to see what he comes back with. 6) Devon Travis, 2B, Grade B/Borderline B-: Age 23, acquired this winter from the Tigers, hit .298./.358/.460 in Double-A. Feel for the game compensates for so-so physical tools or at least it has so far. There are fewer doubters every year and it seems like he can be a regular, featuring good on-base skills, nice power for his size, and solid defensive work. 7) Miguel Castro, RHP, Grade B-/Borderline B. Age 20, posted 2.68 ERA with 78/30 K/BB in 81 innings, just 50 hits, mostly in the Northwest League but finishing the season in High-A. Can hit 98-99, good change-up, breaking ball still in developmental stages. Another high-ceiling talent who could/should rank higher once he has a full season under his belt. 8) Richard Urena, SS, Grade B-: Age 18, signed for $725,000 in 2012, hit .318/.363/.433 with Bluefield in Appalachian League. Strong arm, good range at short, needs more polish but that is normal for his age. Should hit for average with a chance to develop some power, but strike zone could be a challenge at higher levels. Very high ceiling, a good season in 2015 will move him up the list. Higher ceiling than Devon Travis but much further away. 9) Dwight Smith, OF, Grade B-: Age 22, continues steady development, hit .284/.364/.453 with 12 homers, 15 steals, 58 walks, just 69 strikeouts in 472 at-bats in pro-pitching Florida State League. If power continues to increase he could avoid tweenerdom. Double-A transition will tell us a lot but I tend to like bloodline players and I always liked his dad as a player. 10) Matt Smoral, LHP, Grade B-: Age 20, posted 3.19 ERA with70/33 K/BB in 54 innings in short-season ball. Premium stuff from a 6-8 lefty, command still needs refinement and he has some issues with mechanical consistency, but upside is quite high. 11) Sean Reid-Foley, RHP, Grade B-/Borderline C+: Age 19, 2014 second round pick, posted 4.76 ERA with 25/10 K/BB in 23 innings in rookie ball. Good size at 6-3, 220, can hit mid-90s, good slider, needs to improve change-up and simply gain experience, could be fine workhorse starter and perhaps more. 12) Jairo Labourt, LHP, Grade C+/Borderline B-: Age 20, hit hard in Midwest League (6.43 ERA, 11/20 K/BB in 14 innings) due to command troubles but was better after moving down to Northwest League, 1.77 ERA with 82/37 K/BB in 71 innings, just 47 hits. May go up to B- with this one. Another live arm that needs more polish but offers upside. 13) Robert Osuna, RHP, Grade C+: Age 19, recovering from Tommy John surgery, posted 6.55 ERA with 30/8 K/BB in 22 innings, 28 hits in High-A. Good fastball and change-up, breaking stuff remains raw, needs to get stamina built back up. Could leap up the list with a healthy year. 14) Mitch Nay, 3B, Grade C+: Age 21 now, hit .285/.342/.389 with 34 doubles, 39 walks, 79 strikeouts in 473 at-bats in Low-A. Defense has improved. Makes ready contact, but home run power has not developed to this point. I still think it can but we’ll see. Florida State League will be a challenge. Midwest League observers were very mixed on him. 15) Alberto Tirado, RHP, Grade C+: Age 20, like Labourt he was poor at Lansing (6.30 ERA, 40/39 K/BB in 40 innings) but better at Vancouver (3.53 ERA, 36/28 K/BB in 36 innings). Plenty of stuff but still much more thrower than pitcher. Would not be a surprise to see him move to the bullpen eventually. 16) Matt Boyd, LHP, Grade C+: Age 23, college-trained lefty destroyed High-A (1.39 ERA, 103/20 K/BB in 91 innings) but had problems in Double-A (6.96 ERA, but 44/13 K/BB in 43 innings). He needs to make adjustments but the ugly ERA at New Hampshire was misleadingly bad; the FIP was much better at just under 4.00, which isn’t great but is far from disastrous. Still has a shot at being a nice finesse lefty number four starter. 17) Dawel Lugo, SS, Grade C+: Age 19, bonus baby signed in ’12 for $1,300,000, hit .259/.286/.329 in the Midwest League. Good throwing arm, not horribly error-prone given his age but range may fit best at second or third base eventually. Said to have power potential but it hasn’t shown up in games yet and his plate discipline is rough. 18) Angel Perdomo, LHP, Grade C+: Age 20, part of the Dominican pitching pipeline established by the Jays, posted 2.54 ERA with 57/21 K/BB in 46 innings in rookie ball, 36 hits. Interesting size at 6-6, 200, GCL observers report he can hit the mid-90s. Needs tighter command and more innings but has breakthrough potential. 19) A.J. Jimenez, C, Grade C+/Borderline C: Age 24, hit .249/.289/.351 between Double-A/Triple-A in 313 at-bats. Solid with the glove, but injury-prone and bat appears stagnant. Will likely have a long career as a reserve unless the bat blossoms, which is getting less likely with each passing year and each nagging injury. 20) Rowdy Tellez, 1B, Grade C+/Borderline C: Age 19, hit .305/.375/.438 with 26 walks, 37 strikeouts in 233 at-bats between Bluefield and Lansing. Massive difference of opinion about this guy: some observers love him for his power potential and solid sense of the strike zone, others hate his body (listed at 6-4, 220 but looks bulkier) and point to serious defensive limitations. Let’s see what he does with a full season. OTHERS OF INTEREST: Anthony Alford, OF; Ryan Borucki, LHP; Jake Brentz, LHP; Andy Burns, UT; Adonys Cardona, RHP; Taylor Cole, RHP; D.J. Davis, OF; Matt Dean, 1B; Chase De Jong, RHP; Clinton Hollon, RHP; Grayson Huffman, LHP; Dan "Tek" Jansen presents: Dan "Tek" Jansen’s Baseball Squad 9, Lady Nocturne, a Dan "Tek" Jansen Adventure, C; Chase Mallard, RHP; Ryan McBroom, 1B; Rob Rasmussen, LHP; Tom Robson, RHP; Evan Smith, LHP; Ryan Tepera, RHP; Lane Thomas, OF; Nick Wells, LHP. This is a good solid farm system. The best news is strong depth in pitching. Daniel Norris has taken several huge steps forward and can be a top-of-the-rotation starter assuming he solidifies that progress. Aaron Sanchez’s stuff is even better than Norris’, although his pitches have so much movement that he doesn’t always know where they are going. You can draw scenarios where he becomes an ace, or a strong closer, or a guy who teases us forever. A healthy Jeff Hoffman could out-pitch both Sanchez and Norris, and there are a large number of live arms backing that trio up, including many products of their Latin American program. There has been considerable injury attrition, but that’s why you get as many pitchers as you can. If you have five good pitching prospects, you’re doing well if one or two of them pan out. The hitting isn’t as good as the pitching, which seems a common theme for many organizations right now, but it isn’t empty. The development of Dalton Pompey was the best news in 2014, the Ontario native doing a great job adding baseball skills to go with his athleticism and overall tool set. Max Pentecost could be one of the best hitters to come out of the entire 2014 draft class. Dwight Smith had a breakout season in the difficult Florida State League. I love the trade with the Tigers for Devon Travis, who was blocked in Detroit but should get a clean opportunity here. Remember, the Jays are as tool-oriented as anyone and the fact that they like Travis should tell you something positive: he's not just a numbers guy. Keep a close eye on catching prospect Dan Jansen, who features a sound sense of the strike zone to go with power and workable defense. An assortment of toolsy players dot rosters at all levels of the system. The heavy tool investments carry risk, as the serious struggles of D.J. Davis show for example. A great athlete is not automatically a good baseball player, and vice versa. But when it does work you get a find like Pompey. Former college football player Anthony Alford and 2014 draftee Lane Thomas hope to follow in Pompey’s footsteps. Overall, this system isn’t perfect but it has a lot to offer. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/12/29/7466457/toronto-blue-jays-top-20-prospects-for-2015
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Author Posted December 30, 2014 WTF is up with Dan Jansen's name in the 'Others of Interest'. Hahaha! I'm glad he mentioned Angel Perdomo. His numbers, age, size, and being a LHP had me raise my eyebrow... But I never knew much about him. Mid-90's is always a nice thing to see from a lefty. Danny Jansen is a legit catcher prospect, over AJ Jimenez.
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 It's probably not the best list you'll see, but Sickels' list is always the one I look most forward to every year. One of the things he said, it's kinda crazy when you think about; Norris can be a top of the rotation arm, Sanchez has even better stuff than Norris, and Hoffman can out-pitch both of them. There's so much potential in this system. I'm going to make an extremely bold prediction here and say that when all is said and done and we're looking back, the Jays will have drafted the two absolute best players in the 2014 draft, in Hoffman and Pentecost. At least among those drafted in the first round.
S33n Verified Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 WTF is up with Dan Jansen's name in the 'Others of Interest'. Hahaha! I'm glad he mentioned Angel Perdomo. His numbers, age, size, and being a LHP had me raise my eyebrow... But I never knew much about him. Mid-90's is always a nice thing to see from a lefty. Dan "Tek" Jansen presents: Dan "Tek" Jansen’s Baseball Squad 9, Lady Nocturne, a Dan "Tek" Jansen Adventure lol
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Osuna seems a bit low. Decent list though.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Way too low on Osuna/Hoffman/Nay but otherwise a very good list.
JaysAllMighty Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 In your opinion, does a list like this have any type of influence with GM's and their trading mentality towards certain prospects? Or do they even pay attention to it?
GD Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 In your opinion, does a list like this have any type of influence with GM's and their trading mentality towards certain prospects? Or do they even pay attention to it? Not one bit
JaysAllMighty Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Not one bit Can you elaborate?
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 In your opinion, does a list like this have any type of influence with GM's and their trading mentality towards certain prospects? Or do they even pay attention to it? Teams have their own internal rankings based off their scouts/data ect. A prospect list like this doesn't change anything.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Can you elaborate? Sorry I'm on a phone packing bags and the like They have their own internal evaluations from scouts and data and are much more informed than the public list makers Which isn't to say guys like Sickel and co aren't good at what they do, however
GD Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Teams have their own internal rankings based off their scouts/data ect. A prospect list like this doesn't change anything. You stole exactly what I said nearly verbatim 4 seconds before me Well, I guess I have to crush you in LOD now. Sorry. :///
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 You stole exactly what I said nearly verbatim 4 seconds before me Well, I guess I have to crush you in LOD now. Sorry. :/// Have you seen my LOD team? . Ha.
JaysAllMighty Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Of course each team has their own list but was wondering if it came down to the crunch if they would listen to outside influences, like being sold on someone that wasn't that high on their own list.
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Of course each team has their own list but was wondering if it came down to the crunch if they would listen to outside influences, like being sold on someone that wasn't that high on their own list. Teams pay a lot of money to scouts and consultants. If teams valued a writers opinion so much they would just hire them.
sdyment Verified Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Barring a prospect heavy trade, this organization is on the verge of producing great rookies every season. Those JP years really took a toll... So this is how the other half lives... I like it! "A healthy Jeff Hoffman could out-pitch both Sanchez and Norris".... ^^ "Dwight Smith, OF, Grade B-: Age 22, continues steady development, hit .284/.364/.453 with 12 homers, 15 steals, 58 walks, just 69 strikeouts in 472 at-bats in pro-pitching Florida State League" Is Smith the correct age for his level? Just wondering how to take these numbers...?
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Dan "Tek" Jansen presents: Dan "Tek" Jansen’s Baseball Squad 9, Lady Nocturne, a Dan "Tek" Jansen Adventure lol http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d9/Tek_Jansen_-1.jpg http://grupthinkpro.s3.amazonaws.com/grupthinklive6bfc77a1513f9abf25d2173bff7cd67d
Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 This list is meh, one major exclusion for me is that Matt Dean isn't on the top 20. Not as big a fan of Sickels as I was a few years ago.
flafson Verified Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 That's a pretty deep list. We have 12 guys with a B next to their name, very impressive. I feel sorry for the Tigers, they gave their number 1 guy and he's only number 6 in our system according to this list.
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Who is Robert Osuna? Some Mexican related to Ang.
admin Site Manager Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Man I was high on Cardona his rookie year, he's gotten worse each year since.
admin Site Manager Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 That's a pretty deep list. We have 12 guys with a B next to their name, very impressive. I feel sorry for the Tigers, they gave their number 1 guy and he's only number 6 in our system according to this list. Imagine if we didn't do the awful Florida and Mets trades.
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Decent list, Osuna is a top 5 prospect
BTS Community Moderator Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 Imagine if we didn't do the awful Florida and Mets trades. 2015 rotation: Stroman Alvarez Hutchison Syndergaard Desclafani
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 I don't understand the love for Pentecost. It was interesting pick but it's too early to tell if he's more than a backup.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 2015 rotation: Stroman Alvarez Hutchison Syndergaard Desclafani Delete Desclafani and add an ace (Price?) with the money not being paid to MB and Reyes
admin Site Manager Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 Broke his elbow last spring. I read somewhere that they think having the screw/pin/whatever in is elbow may actually help since his arm speed is so high when he's pitching... Or something along those lines. Regardless, if he has a future it will be as a reliever, and he'll be pushed through the system quickly once that decision is made. I'm sure he was rushed. But yeah even before the elbow that previous year wasn't very impressive either. I think they did get high hopes for him and tried to rush him. Think he was 17 his rookie year.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 Norris > DeScalfani thanks cap'n
fireballW Verified Member Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 Martin and Gomes. What did I just read? All these ideas.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 Yes, change many things from the past (Marlins trade, Dickey trade, Cabrera signing, Izturis signing, etc), and everything else will remain the same. Man, I hope people don't actually believe their fantasy lineups if those 2013 moves didn't happen.
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