Blue Jays seeking replacement for Beeston

[Pulk_Pull]

I have no problem with DD leaving but the way Toronto and DD handled it - talking without permission IMO - leaking it before the winter meetings, etc.

 

See, I think you have this backwards.

 

I think ALL of this could of been handled better if Angelos played nice in the proverbial Business sand. Instead, his stubborn refusal and inability to treat DD as a professional being offered a promotion is what has caused this to drag out.

 

Add in the optics that this creates around the Orioles organization and no one suffers more than the O's.

[Pulk_Pull]

I do find it odd that DD's contract does not have an out clause for this exact reason.

 

Most contracts have this sort of out clause that allows their stakeholder to explore other opportunities, as long as they are direct promotions and do not involve other parties from the org. (i.e., DD can't bring all his staff along).

 

Either way, DD's silence in this is deafening and his relationship with the O's must be slightly strained in all this.

[BTS]

The longer this goes, the more Dan Duquette is being made into some great baseball mind, which I don't think he is. I don't really understand the tunnel vision Rogers seems to have for him.

[Captain Adama]

The longer this goes, the more Dan Duquette is being made into some great baseball mind, which I don't think he is. I don't really understand the tunnel vision Rogers seems to have for him.

 

Probably just me, but it could be this "1994 Expos" narrative that could make for attractive PR for the Jays. Especially in Montreal.

[Pulk_Pull]

The longer this goes, the more Dan Duquette is being made into some great baseball mind, which I don't think he is. I don't really understand the tunnel vision Rogers seems to have for him.

 

I think the love with DD stems from the fact that the other options that have been presented so far are less than ideal. DD isn't perfect, but he's palatable in a search controlled by a multi-million dollar org. Better the devil you know than the one you don't.

[Boxcar]

Backing out of deals after completion, not allowing their employees to pursue better opportunities, boy, Orioles sure are an attractive organization.

 

Apparently the Jays are the classless ones. Just ask Orioles Hangout.

[GD]

Apparently the Jays are the classless ones. Just ask Orioles Hangout.

 

Obviously. Our incredible success lately, including our 3 consecutive World Series, couldn't have happened without the Man in White. We're basically the Patriots of the MLB. Spygate!

 

Or something like that.

[Deadpool]

Apparently the Jays are the classless ones. Just ask Orioles Hangout.

 

MAN IN WHITE! MAN IN WHITE! LA LA LA LA, I'M NOT LISTENING TO THE LITERALLY EVERYONE WHO CALLED THAT ONE SINGLE ARTICLE A TOTAL CROCK OF s***!!!

 

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[GD]

MAN IN WHITE! MAN IN WHITE! LA LA LA LA, I'M NOT LISTENING TO THE LITERALLY EVERYONE WHO CALLED THAT ONE SINGLE ARTICLE A TOTAL CROCK OF s***!!!

 

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/worries about you

[glory]

The longer this goes, the more Dan Duquette is being made into some great baseball mind, which I don't think he is. I don't really understand the tunnel vision Rogers seems to have for him.

 

To be fair, Duquette built three really good teams. Granted, the Orioles seem to overplay their talent level every year, but they still made the playoffs twice in three years. Then there was the 90's Expos and late-90's Red Sox.

 

Obviously, none of that really matters since he'd be hired as the team president, not the GM (unless he fires AA and takes the role himself), so yes, the "DD or nothing" stance seems odd. Can't deny his success in the game, though.

[BTS]

To be fair, Duquette built three really good teams. Granted, the Orioles seem to overplay their talent level every year, but they still made the playoffs twice in three years. Then there was the 90's Expos and late-90's Red Sox.

 

Obviously, none of that really matters since he'd be hired as the team president, not the GM (unless he fires AA and takes the role himself), so yes, the "DD or nothing" stance seems odd. Can't deny his success in the game, though.

 

I can't really speak to his earlier work, but as a GM I don't think he did anything really brilliant in Baltimore. He inherited most of the team. I guess he made moves to acquire Chen, Davis and Pearce (who he tried to get rid of). Hit and miss on the FA market. I dunno, I'd hesitate to call him one of the better GMs in the game. I guess Rogers has their reasons. Who's behind this anyway?

[jays4life19]

I can't really speak to his earlier work, but as a GM I don't think he did anything really brilliant in Baltimore. He inherited most of the team. I guess he made moves to acquire Chen, Davis and Pearce (who he tried to get rid of). Hit and miss on the FA market. I dunno, I'd hesitate to call him one of the better GMs in the game. I guess Rogers has their reasons. Who's behind this anyway?

 

Yeah. I'm not really that excited for him to be CEO. I really don't know his qualifications though to be fair.

 

It almost seems like when we swapped JP for Navarro. Addition by subtraction that we get rid of the Beest but nothing to be that excited for. We'll see how it plays out i guess.

[BTS]

Yeah. I'm not really that excited for him to be CEO. I really don't know his qualifications though to be fair.

 

It almost seems like when we swapped JP for Navarro. Addition by subtraction that we get rid of the Beest but nothing to be that excited for. We'll see how it plays out i guess.

 

Yeah, that's a pretty good analogy. I don't really understand how anyone above Beeston is in a position to know how well Dan Duquette will be able to run a baseball team.

[Orioles]

Apparently the Jays are the classless ones. Just ask Orioles Hangout.

 

That site is a joke. Nothing but homers. BTW those idiots pay to use that site. That site gives Oriole fans a bad name.

[Stangstag]

MAN IN WHITE! MAN IN WHITE! LA LA LA LA, I'M NOT LISTENING TO THE LITERALLY EVERYONE WHO CALLED THAT ONE SINGLE ARTICLE A TOTAL CROCK OF s***!!!

 

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I still can't believe that utterly idiotic story was even published. Jesus christ what shitshow that was... I remember AA even had to have a press conference about it and he was basically laughing in disbelief at the whole situation.

[Birdmaniac]

The way Toronto went about going after Duquette was under handed. Floating it out there right before the winter meetings. If they want him they should have gone through the proper way of getting permission instead of throwing rumors out there and trying for him before the meetings. That wasn't the right way of doing things. I'm not saying Duquette is the greatest ever because he isn't but Toronto management should have handled this better.

[Stangstag]

The way Toronto went about going after Duquette was under handed. Floating it out there right before the winter meetings. If they want him they should have gone through the proper way of getting permission instead of throwing rumors out there and trying for him before the meetings. That wasn't the right way of doing things. I'm not saying Duquette is the greatest ever because he isn't but Toronto management should have handled this better.

 

I agree with you, but you can say the same for Angelos. This could have been done weeks ago if he wasn't so stubborn

[BTS]

Can anyone shed light on who exactly is coordinating this from Toronto's end?

[King]

Can anyone shed light on who exactly is coordinating this from Toronto's end?

 

Ed Rogers I think I read

[flafson]

Can anyone shed light on who exactly is coordinating this from Toronto's end?

 

They say Ed Rogers, son of late Ted Rogers and chairman of the board for the Blue Jays among other things.

He's Beeston's boss.

One rumor is that he's trying to make a name for himself which might mean going all out cowboy trying to get what he wants.

[BTS]

They say Ed Rogers, son of late Ted Rogers and chairman of the board for the Blue Jays among other things.

He's Beeston's boss.

One rumor is that he's trying to make a name for himself which might mean going all out cowboy trying to get what he wants.

 

Weird. This Duquette thing is the first I've heard of Ed Rogers getting involved in the Blue Jays.

[Dick_Pole]

The way Toronto went about going after Duquette was under handed. Floating it out there right before the winter meetings. If they want him they should have gone through the proper way of getting permission instead of throwing rumors out there and trying for him before the meetings. That wasn't the right way of doing things. I'm not saying Duquette is the greatest ever because he isn't but Toronto management should have handled this better.

 

You do realize that at this level of hiring you are dealing mostly with Rogers right? Not so much the Toronto Blue Jays franchise itself.

 

I got two spam phone calls from a number that I know is Rogers looking to upgrade my internet service today, and many over the past few weeks. My mom pays about $60/month for s***** cable service that she complains about all the time. There are also many, many people complaining about their outrageous Rogers cell phone bill. In all this time that Rogers has managed to irritate or alienate thousands of Canadians in an attempt to extract as much money from them as possible, their stock price has still under-performed their peers and the market at large over the last several years.

 

So whatever wrongs you think Rogers has done to you and your precious Orioles, I say good, it's about time you Yankee bastards feel the wrath of Rogers Communications Incorporated!

[jays76]

Can anyone shed light on who exactly is coordinating this from Toronto's end?

 

Yup apparently it's Ed Rogers, he wants Beeston out due to some perceived shady actions regarding the vote for Bud Selig's replacment and potentially some other stuff. Ironically though Rogers is being accused by the Baltimore media of being sneaky himself and ignoring the typical protocol of asking for permission to speak to Duquette first instead of tampering, and this is in conjunction with the s***** timing of doing all this around the winter meetings instead of at the end of last season.

 

Then you have Peter Angelos who is spitefully adamant about not letting DD go even though there's the unwritten rule you let employees leave if they're promoted to a higher position (and by all accounts DD also wants to come here). MLB is apparently supporting the Jays and trying to mediate this situation but Angelos has a history with the league dating back to the Nats coming to town and his perception of market interference which netted him a stake in the Nationals TV rights via his MASN company. Rumor has it all this bad blood led to him losing out on his chance to host the 2016 All-Star game which has further enraged him.

 

I'm sure you're aware of most of this but I thought I'd give a quick recap. It's a lot of high drama and is getting really messy..

[TheHurl]

Weird. This Duquette thing is the first I've heard of Ed Rogers getting involved in the Blue Jays.

 

They removed him from all baseball related duties...yet for some reason they put him in charge of this one. Even worse is that he went out to seek the advice of who to hire from his UWO buddies...who work for the Yankees. Nothing like getting removed from all baseball activities from your Dad's baby...then they give you one role and he seeks the advice of a division rival. I'll have to find a link where this was actually stated as it was a kid from school that told me he read it. I never actually sourced the story so I'm sorry if this is BS.

[Angrioter]

Duquette on board, basically would take away the control Anthopoulos.

 

AA would be virtually "A man occupying a chair in an important front office."

[flafson]

Duette on board, basically would take away the control Anthopoulos.

 

AA would be virtually "A man occupying a chair in an important front office."

 

If they do that, it wouldn't be a promotion anymore. Then they would actually be entitled for a real compensation.

[Angrioter]

If they do that, it wouldn't be a promotion anymore. Then they would actually be entitled for a real compensation.

 

Duquette will do things ALA Duquette way; baseball operations will be managed by him. Beeston know s*** about baseball, for that reason, AA is free to do what he think is right to build a roster IMO; will not be the same case with Duquette on Jays front office.

[StroShow]

If they do that, it wouldn't be a promotion anymore. Then they would actually be entitled for a real compensation.

 

So Cory Burns it is then

[Deadpool]

You do realize that at this level of hiring you are dealing mostly with Rogers right? Not so much the Toronto Blue Jays franchise itself.

 

I got two spam phone calls from a number that I know is Rogers looking to upgrade my internet service today, and many over the past few weeks. My mom pays about $60/month for s***** cable service that she complains about all the time. There are also many, many people complaining about their outrageous Rogers cell phone bill. In all this time that Rogers has managed to irritate or alienate thousands of Canadians in an attempt to extract as much money from them as possible, their stock price has still under-performed their peers and the market at large over the last several years.

 

So whatever wrongs you think Rogers has done to you and your precious Orioles, I say good, it's about time you Yankee bastards feel the wrath of Rogers Communications Incorporated!

 

http://www.start.ca

[LGBJ29]

They removed him from all baseball related duties...yet for some reason they put him in charge of this one. Even worse is that he went out to seek the advice of who to hire from his UWO buddies...who work for the Yankees. Nothing like getting removed from all baseball activities from your Dad's baby...then they give you one role and he seeks the advice of a division rival. I'll have to find a link where this was actually stated as it was a kid from school that told me he read it. I never actually sourced the story so I'm sorry if this is BS.

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/14/rumours-swirl-around-blue-jays-orioles

 

Bob Elliot wrote that in this article. Im sure he has his sources but Im not sure how much truth there actually is to it.