Blue Jays will make offer to Sandoval in next 24 hours :(

[KingKat]

be happy that he's spending money. You might see a playoff game. Sandoval gets you there closer than what you have right now. Yes, Headley will have greater value and come cheaper and I truly believe he's on AA's radar...but if the Jays sign Panda it's an improved team from this morning.

 

And you can't control who will and who won't sign with you. Just because you can theoretically make a better signing, doesn't mean you should hold back from making a less ideal signing that improves the team. If Sandoval wants to sign on the dotted line and Headley doesn't, Sandoval is the better fit.

[kgm1]

I'm honestly not a Sandoval fan on a long term deal unless it has a weight clause in it. I do prefer to leave Lawrie at 3rd but the 2nd base options are really thin.

Lawrie was on MLB radio after the Travis /Goins trade and he talked about how jerked around it felt moving back and forth. He emphasized how he is a 3rd baseman and is so happy he now can stay at 3rd.

 

I will say we need a lefty bat and the panda has it.

[o2cui2i]

If the Jays sign Sanodval Lawrie can stop complaining about having to move back and forth between 2nd and 3rd? lol

 

I wonder what mr Red Bull thinks about all of this...

[Governator]

Travis is going to scream in to a pillow if we sign him.

[o2cui2i]

And you can't control who will and who won't sign with you. Just because you can theoretically make a better signing, doesn't mean you should hold back from making a less ideal signing that improves the team. If Sandoval wants to sign on the dotted line and Headley doesn't, Sandoval is the better fit.

 

A lot of fans forget that some guys just wont sign for the Jays. I'm pretty sure the list isn't as bad as it used to be, especially after signing RM, but there are still guys who just wont come.

[o2cui2i]

Travis is going to scream in to a pillow if we sign him.

 

moving off a team where you are clearly blocked for a couple years to another team who puts someone else in your way.... cant be a lot of fun.

[Laika]

 

Hmm. He reportedly turned down the Pence contract for SF as well.

 

Toronto probably has to go to 5/$100 to have any shot at him (barring breaking the 5 year role and giving him a legit 6 year offer).

 

If you assume Lawrie can play 2nd full time, then Toronto would get an immediate 3 WAR boost and have 3+ win players across the infield. And when Travis comes up, Gibbons could cycle Lawrie and Sandoval through DH in an attempt to keep them healthy, guard Travis against same hand pitching, etc.

 

I really think that Reyes needs Lawrie's D helping him out on the left side as he ages though.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Signing Shields and moving Hutch (or Happ+) for a league average 2B or better is what I suggest. Do you have a comprehension problem?

 

But you seem to prefer signing a fat overrated player like Panda to a 5 year contract.

 

Why would we want to meander down the path paying Shields close to/over 20m per, to pitch into his late 30's?

[o2cui2i]

Hmm. He reportedly turned down the Pence contract for SF as well.

 

Toronto probably has to go to 5/$100 to have any shot at him (barring breaking the 5 year role and giving him a legit 6 year offer).

 

If you assume Lawrie can play 2nd full time, then Toronto would get an immediate 3 WAR boost and have 3+ win players across the infield. And when Travis comes up, Gibbons could cycle Lawrie and Sandoval through DH in an attempt to keep them healthy, guard Travis against same hand pitching, etc.

 

I am not a huge fan of bringing in Sadoval, but I really dont want him to be killing us 19 games a year either. Aren't there any NL teams that can outbid the Red Sox?

Edited November 20, 2014 by o2cui2i

[o2cui2i]

Why would we want to meander down the path paying Shields close to/over 20m per, to pitch into his late 30's?

 

Shields was horrible in the post season.... probably cost himself a junk of change.

[JaysRap]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/why-six-years-for-pablo-sandoval-isnt-crazy/

 

...and for the record kinda going off what kgm was saying - I think Lawrie will pout if he's forced to play 2B this season. He wants 3B and will sulk if he's asked to move.

[BallsDeep]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/why-six-years-for-pablo-sandoval-isnt-crazy/

 

...and for the record kinda going off what kgm was saying - I think Lawrie will pout if he's forced to play 2B this season. He wants 3B and will sulk if he's asked to move.

 

I truly feel he isn't in any position to be making demands.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Why would we want to meander down the path paying Shields close to/over 20m per, to pitch into his late 30's?

 

Shields is a guy to be worried about. With his declining strikeout rates and age I don't know how anyone can be on board for paying him 20/year. You're better off just ponying up the cash for a Scherzer mega contract IMO.

[jaysblue]

Panda has a better bat but Headley's defense makes up the difference and then some by quite a bit.

 

And Headley won't cost nearly as much.

[Jimcanuck]

Why would we want to meander down the path paying Shields close to/over 20m per, to pitch into his late 30's?

 

The context of the discussion is what would be more efficient at adding wins - sign Panda or sign a pitcher such as Shields (roughly the same dollars)

 

I say Shields, provided surplus pitching can be moved for a 2B.

[Ziggyy108]

And you can't control who will and who won't sign with you. Just because you can theoretically make a better signing, doesn't mean you should hold back from making a less ideal signing that improves the team. If Sandoval wants to sign on the dotted line and Headley doesn't, Sandoval is the better fit.

 

 

 

Exactly this. We have no idea what Headley is asking for as well.

[o2cui2i]

Shields is a guy to be worried about. With his declining strikeout rates and age I don't know how anyone can be on board for paying him 20/year. You're better off just ponying up the cash for a Scherzer mega contract IMO.

 

what's the rumor for Scherzer's asking? 7/200?

[o2cui2i]

And Headley won't cost nearly as much.

 

I'm sure AA knows this, but if Headly doesn't want to play in TO then it really doesn't matter, does it.

[Ziggyy108]

If thats the Sox offer and AA really wants him then it will prob just take a 6th year.

[reedjohnsonfan]

what's the rumor for Scherzer's asking? 7/200?

 

I don't know, I think Scherzer gets over 6/150 for sure, but that's just my opinion. Shields closer to 100/5.

[Ziggyy108]

what's the rumor for Scherzer's asking? 7/200?

 

He turned down 144/6.

 

Id be straight up shocked if someone gave him 7/200

[reedjohnsonfan]

He turned down 144/6.

 

Id be straight up shocked if someone gave him 7/200

 

I think he'll be around 170-180 for 6 years. Either way, probably a better investment than Shields.

[o2cui2i]

He turned down 144/6.

 

Id be straight up shocked if someone gave him 7/200

 

I figure he'll get more than 25 per and 7 years might be needed.

[Governator]

Lol @ fantasy GMs saying just sign Headley, he's cheaper. Do you realize that almost every player who includes a no-trade clause has the Jay's listed? That's not coincidence, no one wants to play here but on the flip side would sign to our division rivals. They have to offer above market value just to play the game since they aren't WS contenders. There's almost zero appeal to be playing for the Jay's unless your Dominican.

[Jimcanuck]

Lol @ fantasy GMs saying just sign Headley, he's cheaper. Do you realize that almost every player who includes a no-trade clause has the Jay's listed? That's not coincidence, no one wants to play here but on the flip side would sign to our division rivals. They have to offer above market value just to play the game since they aren't WS contenders. There's almost zero appeal to be playing for the Jay's unless your Dominican.

 

To some extent, but its got to be better now. Everyone wants to play for a contender.

[BallsDeep]

Panda more dependable than Lawrie we can't count on that guy for an entire season.

[o2cui2i]

To some extent, but its got to be better now. Everyone wants to play for a contender.

 

if they make the playoffs next year some players will start changing their minds. if the jays win 79 games and are third in the east, it will be the same thing next off season.

[Governator]

To some extent, but its got to be better now. Everyone wants to play for a contender.

 

It's getting better of late yes but still hard to attract. Just bothers me, like when everyone was bitching about they could have just signed Reyes when he was a free agent and gave up nothing. No they probably couldn't.

[o2cui2i]

Lol @ fantasy GMs saying just sign Headley, he's cheaper. Do you realize that almost every player who includes a no-trade clause has the Jay's listed? That's not coincidence, no one wants to play here but on the flip side would sign to our division rivals. They have to offer above market value just to play the game since they aren't WS contenders. There's almost zero appeal to be playing for the Jay's unless your Dominican.

 

right now the jays have to make an offer that makes it ridiculous not to sign.

[JaysRap]

According to Steamer 2015 Projections

 

Starting Pitchers Candidates

 

James Shields - 3.0 WAR

Jon Lester - 3.4 WAR

Max Scherzer - 3.7 WAR

 

and just for kicks

 

Marcus Stroman - 3.3 WAR

Drew Hutchison - 1.9 WAR

RA Dickey - 1.5 WAR

Mark Buehrle - 1.5 WAR

JA Happ - 1.2 WAR

Aaron Sanchez - -0.2 WAR

 

3B Candidates

 

Pablo Sandoval - 3.6 WAR

Chase Headley - 3.8 WAR

Brett Lawrie - 3.7 WAR