Jays sign Martin - So what's next priority??

[RealAccountant]

A Closer, and a LF or DH who can hit 5th and protect EE. That will be par. Anything beyond that would be gravy. Anything less and its no playoff baseball for bluejays once again.

 

I think AA plans to have Smoak as the DH. Also I think Casey Jansenn is going to return, once he goes out into the market and realizes how bare it really is.

[Mikeleelop]

I think AA plans to have Smoak as the DH. Also I think Casey Jansenn is going to return, once he goes out into the market and realizes how bare it really is.

 

That is a recipie to miss the playoffs again

[jayswin11]

Did we release anyone of the 40-man when we signed Martin?

[Caper]

If I want to win games, I don't give Goins any AB's.

 

The glove.

[JaysRap]

The more I think about it, the more I really want the Jays to try and trade for Michael Saunders. I think he's a great fit in great fit for the team (affordable LF who hits L to try and balance out our R heavy line up.)

 

I'd trade

 

To Jays - Michael Saunders (OF)

Dustin Ackley (2B)

 

To Mariners - Macier Izturis (2B)

Kevin Pillar (OF)

 

To Jays - Chris Carter (DH/1B)

 

To Houston - LHP Bret Cecil

 

Starting Lineup

 

1 - SS Jose Reyes (S)

2 - C Russell Martin ®

3 - RFJose Bautista ®

4 - 1B Edwin Encarnation ®

5 - LF Michael Saunders (L)

6 - DH Chris Carter ®

7 - 3B Brett Lawrie ®

8 - 2B Dustin Ackley (L)

9 - CF Dalton Pompey (S)

 

Bench - IF Ryan Goins, C - Josh Thole, OF - Andy Dirks, 1 of John Mayberry Jr (OF)/Danny Valencia (IF)/Justin Smoak (IF)

 

 

Starting Rotation

 

Trade to Jays

 

LHP - Chris Sale

 

To the White Sox

 

LHP - Daniel Norris (#1 Prospect)

LHP - Sean Nolin (#11 Prospect)

LHP - Mark Buehrle (Flexibility after 2015 Season for W.Sox)

 

I'd sign LHP John Lester 6 year/$147 million contract

 

Rotation

 

1. LHP Chris Sale

2. LHP John Lester

3. RHP RA Dickey

4. RHP Marcus Stroman

5. RHP Drew Huthison

 

Bullpen

 

Sign RHP Francisco Rodriguez 2 year/$14 million

 

Sign RHP Luke Gregerson 3 year/$20 million

 

 

RHP - Marco Estrada (Long Man/Emergency Starter)

LHP - Liam Hendricks (Long Man/Emergency Starter/LOOGY)

LHP - Aaron Loop (LOOGY)

RHP - Steve Delebar (He bounces back and wins a spot in the bullpen)

RHP - Luke Gregerson (7th Inning)

RHP - Aaron Sanchez (Setup Man)

RHP - Francisco Rodriguez (Closer)

Edited November 19, 2014 by JaysRap

[Lawrie22]

What are people's thoughts on Nick Swisher?? Had a horrible season last year causing the indians to be shopping him and they are rumored to be willing to take on another bad contract in order to dump swisher. Swisher has always played well at RC and he is another all out gamer on the field like Russel Martin that AA is said to be looking for. I think he could be a bounce back canadate splitting time between 1B and DH with EE. I say we dump Romero + Navarro + prospect on the indians for swisher.

 

Than trade Happ and something minor to Seattle for Saunders.

Go out and sign:

Jed Lowrie- 2 years 19 Mil

Jason Grilli- 1 year 5 mil

Brett Anderson- 1 year 5 mil

K-rod- 2 years 10 mil

 

And your 2015 team is:

1.Reyes- SS

2.Saunders- LF

3.Bautista- RF

4.Encarnacion- DH

5.Martin- C

6.Lawrie- 3B

7.Swisher- 1B

8.Lowrie- 2B

9.Pompey- CF

 

Bench:

Izturis

Smoak

Mayberry Jr/Pillar

Thole

 

Rotation:

Dickey

Buerhle

Stroman

Hutchison

Anderson

 

Pen:

Sanchez

Redmond

Loup

Estrada

Grilli

Cecil

Rodriguez

[agrushcow]

Nobody actually needs an "Ace" to get the play-offs, they just need 5 starting pitchers who's collective performance outdoes their opponent (not to mention bullpen and offense). Once you get to the play-offs it's a different story of course...

 

As I said tho "world series run caliber". Ya we might be able to get to the playoffs with this rotation, but a lot would have to go right to get this rotation through the first round of the postseason.

 

And to some others who say our rotation is underrated, the league is so pitching centric I'd rather put eggs in the rotation than for corner OF's or 2B's just from positional value. I don't trust Dickey worth a s*** either to be honest. I think we need Sanchez in the rotation, we need as many pieces in there that have the potential to carry a team. If Sanchez emerges and the kids continue to develop then sure we have a decent shot, but it's too many if's for me, just like it was last offseason. But lets see how this offseason plays out.

[shortstop]

if the jays are legit contenders, AA would likely make his move for an Ace at or near the trade deadline...

[43211234]

The more I think about it, the more I really want the Jays to try and trade for Michael Saunders. I think he's a great fit in great fit for the team (affordable LF who hits L to try and balance out our R heavy line up.)

 

I'd trade

 

To Jays - Michael Saunders (OF)

Dustin Ackley (2B)

 

To Mariners - Macier Izturis (2B)

Kevin Pillar (OF)

 

To Jays - Chris Carter (DH/1B)

 

To Houston - LHP Bret Cecil

 

Starting Lineup

 

1 - SS Jose Reyes (S)

2 - C Russell Martin ®

3 - RFJose Bautista ®

4 - 1B Edwin Encarnation ®

5 - LF Michael Saunders (L)

6 - DH Chris Carter ®

7 - 3B Brett Lawrie ®

8 - 2B Dustin Ackley (L)

9 - CF Dalton Pompey (S)

 

Bench - IF Ryan Goins, C - Josh Thole, OF - Andy Dirks, 1 of John Mayberry Jr (OF)/Danny Valencia (IF)/Justin Smoak (IF)

 

 

Starting Rotation

 

Trade to Jays

 

LHP - Chris Sale

 

To the White Sox

 

LHP - Daniel Norris (#1 Prospect)

LHP - Sean Nolin (#11 Prospect)

LHP - Mark Buehrle (Flexibility after 2015 Season for W.Sox)

 

I'd sign LHP John Lester 6 year/$147 million contract

 

Rotation

 

1. LHP Chris Sale

2. LHP John Lester

3. RHP RA Dickey

4. RHP Marcus Stroman

5. RHP Drew Huthison

 

Bullpen

 

Sign RHP Francisco Rodriguez 2 year/$14 million

 

Sign RHP Luke Gregerson 3 year/$20 million

 

 

RHP - Marco Estrada (Long Man/Emergency Starter)

LHP - Liam Hendricks (Long Man/Emergency Starter/LOOGY)

LHP - Aaron Loop (LOOGY)

RHP - Steve Delebar (He bounces back and wins a spot in the bullpen)

RHP - Luke Gregerson (7th Inning)

RHP - Aaron Sanchez (Setup Man)

RHP - Francisco Rodriguez (Closer)

 

http://i.imgur.com/tZOS8.gif

[jays4life19]

Lmao @ Saunders + Ackley for Izzy and Pillar.

 

 

Edit: Oh god....we somehow get Chris Sale too.

 

Edit2: AND Jon Lester. lmao

 

Edit3: I feel dumb responding to this.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think we need to end the armchair GMing in table format where there are multiple trades. Its not that easy... Just doing the board a disservice by posting crap like that.

[guylaroche5]

Norris + Nolin + Negative asset Buehrle = Sale.

 

he was obviously on sale

 

lkasmlasdmkasdf***didireallymajustsayskdmsdthatmsaas

[Caper]

http://i.imgur.com/tZOS8.gif

 

To f***ing funny.

[agrushcow]

Agreed, that's a good point. Not saying it's the biggest need this offseason, but for us to take that next step that's the piece that's most integral imo.

[TwistedLogic]

In terms of relief, I don't know why nobody has mentioned Crain or Neshek yet, but both were twice as good as Gregerson in their most recent seasons, and based on the hype and the fact that neither of them notched a single save, they'll both probably cost less. Badenhop was great and threw in the AL East, Hochevar would probably make an excellent setup/swingman, and a return for Frasor, or a possible flier on Mike Adams both also seem like viable options worth at least considering. Outside of Miller, I don't think there's any decent lefties on the market; none that I'd prefer to Loup anyway. Cotts could be an interesting thing to look at, but his non-advanced numbers were downright atrocious last year.

 

Of course all of these guys might just end up costing exponentially more than they should have, when that hideous Zach Duke contract winds up inflating the market.

[Ziggyy108]

I've been thinking about Crain but have no idea what his health is like.

[TwistedLogic]

If the medicals look clean, he would be an excellent buy-low option. I'm not sure where he's at with his rehab, but I remember he began throwing at one point back in August, so hopefully he's ready for spring. If they pick up Crain and trade for Saunders, that also adds two more inches to the maple-boner.

[GD]

What are people's thoughts on Nick Swisher??

 

There is one team on his no trade clause.

 

Guess who.

[Spanky99]

There is one team on his no trade clause.

 

Guess who.

 

Swisher can GTFO anyhow.

[z3r0s]

after all of that, if we could swing a trade to get Saunders and Ackley it would be sweet. I doubt it happens, but I'd gamble on those guys any day.

[Frenchsoup]

after all of that, if we could swing a trade to get Saunders and Ackley it would be sweet. I doubt it happens, but I'd gamble on those guys any day.

 

Yeah those guys need a fresh start

[z3r0s]

Yeah those guys need a fresh start

 

and Ackley needs to get back to 2B

[READERsince2006]

after all of that, if we could swing a trade to get Saunders and Ackley it would be sweet. I doubt it happens, but I'd gamble on those guys any day.

 

i take them both in a heartbeat, but it would take probably norris and another piece to acquire them both

[Angrioter]

after all of that, if we could swing a trade to get Saunders and Ackley it would be sweet. I doubt it happens, but I'd gamble on those guys any day.

 

The crappy young Mariners hitters reunion at Toronto (Smoak-Saunders-Ackley). No way.

 

Smoak and Saunders is enough

[z3r0s]

The crappy young Mariners hitters reunion at Toronto (Smoak-Saunders-Ackley). No way.

 

Smoak and Saunders is enough

 

I like Ackely the best of the 3 almost if he is playing plus 2B. He proved he could in 2011, 2012.

I think he has more in the bat as well, especially out of Seattle.

[TwistedLogic]

i take them both in a heartbeat, but it would take probably norris and another piece to acquire them both

 

It wouldn't take Norris.

[READERsince2006]

It wouldn't take Norris.

 

id hope not, safer bet is go after saunders who fills LF for next year and get another guy to bridge the gap for Travis

[TwistedLogic]

id hope not, safer bet is go after saunders who fills LF for next year and get another guy to bridge the gap for Travis

 

Yeah, there's no way it'd take Norris. Based on rumors, it doesn't seem like Seattle is high on either of those players anymore. Norris is right on the outside of being a blue chip prospect. Even if they asked for him, Alex would never do it.

[jays76]

Lot's of options with the Russell Martin signing, yeah it was a bit of an overpay and long in length but it was exactly what the doctor ordered for this team. His bat and defensive prowess are going to be immeasurable assets but more importantly it provides flexibility for AA. He could shop Navarro or Happ (maybe both together), he could shop the Dickey/Thole combo, we can resign Melky but less pressure to do so now (Markakis would be a great plan B, I'm less sold on Aoki). Heck because of this Martin signing I would even be content with starting Goins at 2B believe it or not*, the infield D (with the odd Reyes blunder) would be shored up and Martin's framing and arm is going to elevate this rotation, if we can add another front end starter we'll be laughing!

 

*I know Goins AB's would be a problem but I think we can live with it if we resign Melk or get Markakis. I hated the Lind trade and losing some pop but this Martin signing has opened a lot of doors and options, hopefully AA will capitalize..

[READERsince2006]

Yeah, there's no way it'd take Norris. Based on rumors, it doesn't seem like Seattle is high on either of those players anymore. Norris is right on the outside of being a blue chip prospect. Even if they asked for him, Alex would never do it.

 

no way AA goes for it, saunders has good potential but isn't a sure thing either

 

id rather go after aoki or markakis who only cost money, no draft pick/prospect/mlb piece

play better defence and base running then melky for sure, high OBP guys to hit #2 in front of JB/EE