Offseason roster thread 2014

[Angrioter]

Gregor Chisholm

#BlueJays avoid arbitration with Marco Estrada. He gets a one-year deal for 3.9 million.

 

Tons of money long-RP

[BTS]

Jon Heyman ‏

michael saunders, jays settle at $2.875M for 2015

 

Now would have been a good time to try and get a longer-term deal done. He'll be tough to keep after a big year with free agency looming after 2016.

[Abomination]

Gregor Chisholm

#BlueJays avoid arbitration with Marco Estrada. He gets a one-year deal for 3.9 million.

 

Tons of money long-RP

 

Yeah, but less than projected. How does AA manage to keep getting all these guys to sign for less anyway?

[Stangstag]

Now would have been a good time to try and get a longer-term deal done. He'll be tough to keep after a big year with free agency looming after 2016.

 

I wouldn't really want to extend him for 4/5 years. I like his contract as it is right now. He's 28, and he's got 2 years to prove himself. If he sucks, we'll let him go. If he's good we'll probably re-sign him, and if he's amazing then we let him go but at least we got 2 great years from him.

 

Just look at the Colby situation right now. Many people (myself included) wanted to re-sign him last year for something like 4/40 or 4/50. His defense and bat took a huge step back this year, and I WOULDN'T be happy with paying him 10/12 million a year right now.

[glory]

Donaldson you try to lock up.

 

Saunders you wait and see. He hasn't had a breakout yet.

[burlingtonbandit]

Donaldson you try to lock up.

 

Saunders you wait and see. He hasn't had a breakout yet.

 

I don't really want Donaldson locked up considering his age. He's only going to decline from now on and we have him for what should be 4 close to peak years. He most likely will not give up any free agent years since he will want to get one big FA contract so you are better off just going through Arb. each year.

[Laika]

I don't really want Donaldson locked up considering his age. He's only going to decline from now on and we have him for what should be 4 close to peak years. He most likely will not give up any free agent years since he will want to get one big FA contract so you are better off just going through Arb. each year.

 

There's probably some type of contract structure that would get his attention. Perhaps you guarantee him a substantial amount of money over the next four years (say projected arb totals, removing all downside for Donaldson) and in exchange Toronto gets a one time team option after 2019 to get him on the Hanley contract from 2020-2023 (4/$88).

 

Alternatively, Toronto could show faith in the player and guarantee him money for the next 7 or 8 years right now. I know it seems like Donaldson would want to wait four years and try for a big contract when he's 33, but a lot can happen in four years and it's not always that easy for a 33 year old to get more than ~4 years guaranteed anyway. If you offered the Donaldson camp a 7 year contract today at a reasonable amount, they don't just turn their nose up at it.

 

But like you said, no urgency. The best thing is probably what you said. Enjoy the prime years, let someone else pay for his mid 30's later.

[Abomination]

Locking up his 4 arbitration years rather than going year-to-year might not be such a bad idea. Gives him financial guarantee, and protects us a bit from him getting insane amounts the last year or two if he continues to be one of the best in baseball.

[glory]

I don't really want Donaldson locked up considering his age. He's only going to decline from now on and we have him for what should be 4 close to peak years. He most likely will not give up any free agent years since he will want to get one big FA contract so you are better off just going through Arb. each year.

 

I don't disagree with that but my main point was locking up players who are difference makers rather than locking up guys who haven't had an established level of success yet.

 

Although I think Donaldson would be open to a five year deal if the money was right. Late bloomer, nearing 30, four more years of financial uncertainty. He might bite.

[Jimcanuck]

I think it's petty reasonable to say Pompey will be at least replacement. His D is good. Very good. Steamer doesn't know that right now.

 

Ah, the old eye test.

[jays76]

There's also the trade cost. I'd rather just throw Pompey out there, or if you're spending 10M on a meh CF, just give Colby a bit less than that and a pack of chicken hot dogs and he can fill the position with more upside and more defensive competence than Fowler.....

 

Pompey = upside, if he fails...

Saunders = palatable CF insurance (Dirks/Pillar fill LF), if Saunders is hurt...

Carrera = replacement dude with a reputation for CF defense, strong strike-zone discipline, and plus speed.

 

It's really not a terrible situation. 2B is much worse, obviously (a bunch of s*** and then pray-4-Travis).

 

Lol a bunch of s*** and then pray for Travis is right! And hopefully he comes around sooner than later, would be nice to offload some of that s*** with say Navarro in a package for a more adequate 2B and reliever. Say Pennington and Reed from Arizona..

 

Of course the salaries wouldn't add up in their favor and the trade would marginally make sense for them (in spite of needing a C) so we'd probably have to toss in a mid tier prospect to make it palpable.

[Deadpool]

I didn't see it mentioned, but Cory Burns cleared waivers and was outrighted...

[glory]

Navarro for Pennington and a reliever makes too much sense not to happen.

[BTS]

If anything it should be Navarro + for Pennington. Pennington is better and cheaper than Navarro.

[glory]

If anything it should be Navarro + for Pennington. Pennington is better and cheaper than Navarro.

 

But Navarro's RBI and clutch stats make him a real baseball player, the type Arizona wants to have. He's worth more for that reason alone.

[Brownie19]

But Navarro's RBI and clutch stats make him a real baseball player, the type Arizona wants to have. He's worth more for that reason alone.

 

Clutch stats...that's funny

[GD]

Clutch stats...that's funny

 

[Angrioter]

Jon Morosi ‏

Source: #BlueJays and #Nats have been in contact with representatives for free agent reliever Burke Badenhop.

[TwistedLogic]

Can Dan Norris' beard replace Lind's?

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26271672/v37131577/mlb-rookie-prg-daniel-norris-tor-lhp/?query=rookie%2Bprg

 

The difference is that Dan's beard is magnificent, and Lind was sporting ginger goat pubes.

[flafson]

Blue Jays, Nationals In Contact With Burke Badenhop

By Jeff Todd [January 20, 2015 at 10:15am CST]

The Blue Jays and Nationals are among the teams that have been in touch with the representatives for free agent righty Burke Badenhop, Jon Morosi of FOX Sports reports on Twitter. Badenhop’s most recent employer, the Red Sox, were said to have interest earlier in the offseason and are apparently still in the market for relievers.

 

Badenhop, 31, has been one of the game’s more consistently productive middle relievers over the past several seasons. Since the start of the 2012 season, he has logged 195 1/3 innings of 2.90 ERA ball with a 3.40 FIP to support it. The 6’5 sinkerballer has long been a groundball machine, and last year reached a personal high with a 61% GB%.

 

With several useful righties still floating around, that market is one of the more intriguing remaining story lines in this free agent cycle. As Badenhop himself recently explained to WEEI.com’s Rob Bradford, that group of pen arms is waiting for a domino to fall. “[T]here are teams that want me to be on their team,” said Badenhop. “But there’s just no incentive for Team No. 1 to fire the first shot because they know if Team No. 5 fires the first shot we’ll eventually get a hold of Team No. 1.”

 

What do you guys think he would cost?

[G-Snarls]

Badenhop on a 2-3 year deal would be fantastic.

[TwistedLogic]

What do you guys think he would cost?

 

I don't know, but I'd imagine it wouldn't be too much. Badenhop's been one of the guys I've been mentioning since the start of the offseason and I think he'd be a great pick up. He'd really strengthen the pen. I still think Crain is the best option on the market, but given that we haven't heard a damn thing about him, who knows what his story is going into the season.

[Captain Adama]

I don't know, but I'd imagine it wouldn't be too much. Badenhop's been one of the guys I've been mentioning since the start of the offseason and I think he'd be a great pick up. He'd really strengthen the pen. I still think Crain is the best option on the market, but given that we haven't heard a damn thing about him, who knows what his story is going into the season.

 

If you haven't heard anything about him, chances are AA's making a deal with him now.

[G-Snarls]

If you haven't heard anything about him, chances are AA's making a deal with him now.

 

I like this theory

[RealAccountant]

What do you guys think he would cost?

 

We would have to trade Sanchez n Norris to the free agent market

[burlingtonbandit]

If you haven't heard anything about him, chances are AA's making a deal with him now.

 

Clear your PM's.

[Captain Adama]

Clear your PM's.

 

Done

[King]

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 21s22 seconds agoWatertown, WI

yankees, jays, padres among half dozen teams considering johan santana, who's planning to start thursday for magallanes

[Angrioter]

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 21s22 seconds agoWatertown, WI

yankees, jays, padres among half dozen teams considering johan santana, who's planning to start thursday for magallanes

 

Ronald Belisario: Belisario has received interest from the Nationals, Blue Jays, Red Sox and Rays

[glory]

Johan or Sanchez: who is the better starter in 2015?