Offseason roster thread 2014

[Mikeleelop]

Navarro isn't worth anything in trade. He is a back up catcher with a decent enough bat. Those guys get paid 1.5 to 2 mil NOT 5 mil. Better odds he comes to camp in shape than we do in trading him and I sure as hell don't believe that will happen.

If they sign Martin ( Highly doubtful ) Navarro becomes a replacement level DH

 

Last year he was a 2.0 WAR catcher, in 2013 he was a 1.8WAR catcher. His value based on WAR was 10.8million, not the 3 million he was paid. What do you think is out there?

[AdamGreenwood]

The guy ranked 17th in WAR last year for catchers. In 2013, he was 19th.

He's delivered 3.7 WAR over the last two years. Not sure why we think he's disposable all of a sudden. We got lucky we found someone reasonable after dumping D'Arnaud and Gomes to appease JPA's fragile ego.

[Terminator]

I believe BTS is factoring in pitch framing which I'm pretty sure the the WAR on Fangraphs doesn't include.

[Slot Machine]

I believe BTS is factoring in pitch framing which I'm pretty sure the the WAR on Fangraphs doesn't include.

 

Yeah, this. We could argue for days about how to quantify the value of framing, but I think we can all agree that Navarro is a terrible framer.

[BTS]

Yeah. BP has him at -13 runs (-1.3 wins) and Carruth has him at -20 runs. Wherever his true talent lies, I think we can be comfortable assuming his awful receiving eliminates most of the value his league-average bat provides. The Pirates are the kind of org that's aware of this.

[Laika]

Ken_Rosenthal

Among possibilities #Braves are considering: Trading a reliever for a back-end starter.

 

Happ here we go.

 

Atlanta has a lot of good RP.

 

David Carpenter, Shae Simmons, Ian Thomas, Chasen Shreve are all controllable + project to be pretty solid.

[kgm1]

The guy ranked 17th in WAR last year for catchers. In 2013, he was 19th.

He's delivered 3.7 WAR over the last two years. Not sure why we think he's disposable all of a sudden. We got lucky we found someone reasonable after dumping D'Arnaud and Gomes to appease JPA's fragile ego.

 

He loses all that value when pitch framing is included. Jays lost the most runs in baseball due to pitch framing 94 runs . Can someone provide the fangraphs link /

[kgm1]

Ken_Rosenthal

Among possibilities #Braves are considering: Trading a reliever for a back-end starter.

 

Happ here we go.

 

Rather keep Happ for depth and get a free agent for the bull pen . Lots to chose from. Unless of course money is the issue. Steamer projects Happ for 1.6 WAR Estrada 0.6 War

 

I'm eating crow here but I would rather keep Happ and his new found velocity.

[Angrioter]

Atlanta has a lot of good RP.

 

David Carpenter, Shae Simmons, Ian Thomas, Chasen Shreve are all controllable + project to be pretty solid.

 

David Carpenter + Mike Aviles for John Farrell lol

[Laika]

Rather keep Happ for depth and get a free agent for the bull pen . Lots to chose from. Unless of course money is the issue. Steamer projects Happ for 1.6 WAR Estrada 0.6 War

 

I'm eating crow here but I would rather keep Happ and his new found velocity.

 

money is of f***ing course the issue.

 

I like Estrada more, personally. Sell high on Happ because he had the better 2014 (if anybody even wants him), but hang on to the guy with the superior career K and BB rates.

 

Happ is weird though. His avg FB has increased in velo every year since 2008.... in 2008 has max velo was 92.6, in 2014 he sat at 92.7.

 

wtf Happ

 

Low to mid 90s from the left side is no joke. That's an easy 6 fastball. Borderline 7 with command and movement (which Happ lacks in spades. Can you lack something in spades? I guess not)

 

Lefty SP with 100+ IP who averaged better FBv than Happ in 2014:

 

Price

Duffy

Liriano

Sale

Kershaw

 

..... that's it. I think.

 

f*** you Happ! I hate you because you are no longer entirely boring. Ugh.

[Jimcanuck]

money is of f***ing course the issue.

 

I like Estrada more, personally. Sell high on Happ because he had the better 2014 (if anybody even wants him), but hang on to the guy with the superior career K and BB rates.

 

Happ is weird though. His avg FB has increased in velo every year since 2008.... in 2008 has max velo was 92.6, in 2014 he sat at 92.7.

 

wtf Happ

 

Low to mid 90s from the left side is no joke. That's an easy 6 fastball. Borderline 7 with command and movement (which Happ lacks in spades. Can you lack something in spades? I guess not)

 

Lefty SP with 100+ IP who averaged better FBv than Happ in 2014:

 

Price

Duffy

Liriano

Sale

Kershaw

 

..... that's it. I think.

 

f*** you Happ! I hate you because you are no longer entirely boring. Ugh.

 

Might not be a sell high.... Happ is a bit of a wildcard.... but I'm ready to make a new fearless prediction.... Happ > Buerhle in 2015

[Laika]

Might not be a sell high.... Happ is a bit of a wildcard.... but I'm ready to make a new fearless prediction.... Happ > Buerhle in 2015

 

bro you are fearless

[RealAccountant]

So with the acquisition of Travis, safe to assume that Jose Reyes will continue to be the SS for the next couple of years. Terrible, Guy alone cost us a handful of games with his defense. No reason to think his defense will get better, should get worse with age

[Angrioter]

Out of options

 

Drabek

Hendricks

Redmond

Mayberry Jr

Estrada

Tollerson

Valencia

 

Time to trade or no-tender to 2 or 3 of this guys.

[kgm1]

money is of f***ing course the issue.

 

I like Estrada more, personally. Sell high on Happ because he had the better 2014 (if anybody even wants him), but hang on to the guy with the superior career K and BB rates.

 

Happ is weird though. His avg FB has increased in velo every year since 2008.... in 2008 has max velo was 92.6, in 2014 he sat at 92.7.

 

wtf Happ

 

Low to mid 90s from the left side is no joke. That's an easy 6 fastball. Borderline 7 with command and movement (which Happ lacks in spades. Can you lack something in spades? I guess not)

 

Lefty SP with 100+ IP who averaged better FBv than Happ in 2014:

 

Price

Duffy

Liriano

Sale

Kershaw

 

..... that's it. I think.

 

f*** you Happ! I hate you because you are no longer entirely boring. Ugh.

 

But if you have no one to spend the money on then is it really an issue ? If trading Happ got us a 1.5 war upgrade at another position then I,m fine with that. What is the difference in cost of Estrada and Happ 2.5 mil . If Steamer is right that is a pretty cheap 1 WAR.

 

Yes I'm eating a lot of crow over Happ after s***ing on him all last spring but his velocity trending up has me keeping him for the two and a half mil over Estrada.

 

Estrada fits in a big ball park but like Melvin said " Estrada isn't suited for our ball park " and if he isn't for theirs he sure as hell isn't for the AL east parks.

[shortstop]

But if you have no one to spend the money on then is it really an issue ? If trading Happ got us a 1.5 war upgrade at another position then I,m fine with that. What is the difference in cost of Estrada and Happ 2.5 mil . If Steamer is right that is a pretty cheap 1 WAR.

 

Yes I'm eating a lot of crow over Happ after s***ing on him all last spring but his velocity trending up has me keeping him for the two and a half mil over Estrada.

 

Estrada fits in a big ball park but like Melvin said " Estrada isn't suited for our ball park " and if he isn't for theirs he sure as hell isn't for the AL east parks.

 

 

 

I was down on Happ too...but it seems he's dealt with his issue of not being aggressive...now we're seeing more fastballs & less trying to paint the corner with every pitch...i'd still trade him if the return was decent ie. in a package for Kendrick though that likely ain't happening...but if no deal is out there worth taking, keep him & he'll be fine imo...whether or not the jays sign him is another issue - I think Happ will be seeking as much $$'s and years as he can & I think that'll be out of the jays price range, especially factoring in the LHP's coming up or expected to.

[RealAccountant]

Please update

[Terminator]

Please update

 

I don't have time but if the season ended today this is what the starting defense would look like?

 

C: Martin

1B: EE

2B: Travis

3B: Lawrie

SS: Reyes

LF: Pillar/Dirks

CF: Pompey

RF: Bautista

[Angrioter]

Ken_Rosenthal

Don’t forget 3B Chris Johnson as a #Braves trade candidate. Owed $22.5M over next three years with $10M option or $1M buyout for ’18.

 

 

Johnson for Happ?

 

Please, don't do this AA!!

[KingKat]

I don't have time but if the season ended today this is what the starting defense would look like?

 

C: Martin

1B: EE

2B: Travis

3B: Lawrie

SS: Reyes

LF: Pillar/Dirks

CF: Pompey

RF: Bautista

 

I think it's really a toss-up between Izturis and Travis at 2B right now. I think in an ideal scenario, the team would like to season Travis in the minors a little longer. Izturis picking up where he left off would give them that luxury. I'd say it's his job to lose more than it's Travis's job to win.

[Deadpool]

Ken_Rosenthal

Don’t forget 3B Chris Johnson as a #Braves trade candidate. Owed $22.5M over next three years with $10M option or $1M buyout for ’18.

 

 

Johnson for Happ?

 

Please, don't do this AA!!

 

A below average bat, with a below average glove signed to a pretty poor contract? Where do we sign?

[Laika]

Zach f***ing Duke gets 3/$15 from Chicago... Could Andrew Miller and David Robertson both get 30 million?

[TwistedLogic]

Zach f***ing Duke gets 3/$15 from Chicago... Could Andrew Miller and David Robertson both get 30 million?

 

Wouldn't be surprising. I have a feeling the reliever market will take a while to develop. Everyone seems to be waiting on Robertson, and with Cuddyer signed, Robertson feels like the Cruz/Santana story of this offseason. I don't see how someone in their right mind can give out another Papelbon deal, especially when there's a draft pick attached. If he signs sooner rather than later, I feel like it'll be back with the Yankees.

[Angrioter]

Juan Francisco DWL

66 PA, 24 K's

[ElNik2013]

Maybe deal Looouuuupppp?

[Chappy]

Juan Francisco DWL

66 PA, 24 K's

 

DFA candidate.

[kgm1]

Zach f***ing Duke gets 3/$15 from Chicago... Could Andrew Miller and David Robertson both get 30 million?

 

 

Miller wants a four year deal, some one will give him 4/36 or 4/40 Robertson should have took the QO . 15.3 mil for a f***ing reliever and he turns it down?

[kgm1]

DFA candidate.

 

Should have been gone already . Give the guy a chance to catch a minor league deal, why waste time here.

[TDotttt2005]

Anyone listening to the Jerry Howarth interview right now on the Blair show. Both him and Blair are dropping some good Nuggets re:Dickey. Blair let it be known that he was told that RA and Gibbons had some heated run-ins in the clubhouse, and Howarth said that RA is an island to himself in the clubhouse, and that is NOT what is needed on a team of 25 guys, and goes on to praise Buehrle.

 

If Jerry is coming out and saying that, Its made up my mind 100% that Dickey (and Thole) will be traded this offseason.

[Terminator]

Anyone listening to the Jerry Howarth interview right now on the Blair show. Both him and Blair are dropping some good Nuggets re:Dickey. Blair let it be known that he was told that RA and Gibbons had some heated run-ins in the clubhouse, and Howarth said that RA is an island to himself in the clubhouse, and that is NOT what is needed on a team of 25 guys, and goes on to praise Buehrle.

 

If Jerry is coming out and saying that, Its made up my mind 100% that Dickey (and Thole) will be traded this offseason.

 

Interesting the Howarth would say that. He seems pretty credible right?

 

The problem is if we trade him we will have to do something to replace those 215+ innings you can pencil him in for.