Offseason roster thread 2014

[Jimcanuck]

Good citizen? Warped sensibility you have there.

 

Again, stick to baseball, keep the veiled insults and personal comments to yourself. Mods, please take note of this s***.

[saskjayfan]

So is he really a security guard? Or was, or whatever? I've only read bits and pieces of a broken story on this board, and didn't have the "pleasure" of experiencing it firsthand.

 

KingKat seems like he might be an OK, normal guy when he's not on this board (and I'd be willing to drink him under the table watching Lind ruin the Jays) ... But that other guy ... Yikes ... He seems like he's plotting an "event."

 

Oh moogy come on, we all know Kingkat would drink you under the table.

[saskjayfan]

Yeah, no. Actually, that's not totally true. In my old age I've learned the following ... If I drink just a couple of drinks after not having any for a week or more, I can get tipsy off just that (even a couple quick beers). But if I have a couple of drinks one night, the next night, I have an apparently infinite tolerance. I've downed entire bottles of hard liquor (unknowingly) over the course of an evening without flinching. An entire bottle of Jager (via shots) along with innumerable beers. And I don't even drink a lot (meaning often). And no caffeine to mask the effects, either.

 

Ok...fine you have more tolerance than anyone not named Andre the Giant. One thing that is not up for debate is that my dad could kick your dad's ass any day of the week.

[John_Havok]

I wish you all would stop quoting this douche. It really negates the usefullness of the ignore list

[DuckDuckGose]

Yeah, no. Actually, that's not totally true. In my old age I've learned the following ... If I drink just a couple of drinks after not having any for a week or more, I can get tipsy off just that (even a couple quick beers). But if I have a couple of drinks one night, the next night, I have an apparently infinite tolerance. I've downed entire bottles of hard liquor (unknowingly) over the course of an evening without flinching. An entire bottle of Jager (via shots) along with innumerable beers. And I don't even drink a lot (meaning often). And no caffeine to mask the effects, either.

 

I don't know if I would call Jager hard liquor, maybe a hard liqueur but whatever.

[KingKat]

Sorry, dude ... but when guys talk about gassing "retards," wishing the Jews were exterminated and talking about a "friend's" sex life in front of a minor (the guy's daughter) ... that doesn't amount to "good citizen."

 

If you're reffering to the "Hitler finishing the job" quote, that was someone else entirely.

[kgm1]

Wow!

 

Yea, you just never argue with the guy cause he has to get the last word in. I just say my piece and walk away . If Kingkat who is one of the nice guys on this board doesn't walk away this thread will never end.

[burlingtonbandit]

There has been so much talk in the media about Kevin Pillar getting everyday Abs and the Blue Jays needing to find out if he is an everyday player..Like there is nothing to find out, hes a 4th outfielder at best.

 

The guy has a 44% oSwing % with 0 walks and never showing the skill to be able to walk at more than 6% in the minors. Oh and he will be 26 next year

[kgm1]

There has been so much talk in the media about Kevin Pillar getting everyday Abs and the Blue Jays needing to find out if he is an everyday player..Like there is nothing to find out, hes a 4th outfielder at best.

 

The guy has a 44% oSwing % with 0 walks and never showing the skill to be able to walk at more than 6% in the minors. Oh and he will be 26 next year

 

He is a cheap option at 4th outfielder but best Senario is he is in AAA. There are some who suggest using the 6.5 mil from Lind to resign Melky for DH but Pillar,s inability to take enough walks will show up big time in the majors .

[glory]

Goins was talked about as 2B much the same way during the end of last season and all off-season. That is my main concern. My hope is that Melky accepts the QO, that way he is only locked in for one season and gives the team an extra year to find a cheap replacement (come on Dwight Smith Jr......save us).

[KingKat]

Role players with options provide the most value when you take advantage of their options to expand your 25 man roster. I'd hate to see the Jays make the same mistake again this year and go with what happens to be around rather than build a solid bench.

[kgm1]

He's s***, if he can't walk, he's toast. As others have mentioned, he could platoon with Gose, I'm not expecting much.

 

No power, not enough speed and not an elite defender . He would have to hit at a 320 ish clip with lots of doubles and improve in all the fore mentioned areas to be a starter.That said I see him on the roster as the 4th OF due to cost

[G-Snarls]

No power, not enough speed and not an elite defender . He would have to hit at a 320 ish clip with lots of doubles and improve in all the fore mentioned areas to be a starter.That said I see him on the roster as the 4th OF due to cost

 

Absolutely

 

He's a perfectly acceptable $500,000/year 4th outfielder

 

I generally prefer my 4th OF to be fast (which Rajai was) and a good defender (which Rajai was not) so that he can be used as a pinch runner and late game defensive replacement.

 

Pillar seems to be "OK" at everything, but not great at anything. Though if he's above average against LHP (and he may be) that helps make the platoon work.

[G-Snarls]

For the record, in 198 career MLB plate appearnces, his splits are:

 

.225/.250/.333 vs RHP

 

.258/.286/.379 vs LHP

 

Hmmm. Really that's not even league average against lefties. He needs to be better than that for the platoon to work well.

[G-Snarls]

BBREF doesn't give splits for the minors? Or am I missing it.

[G-Snarls]

http://minorleaguecentral.com/player?pid=607680&split=3000&type=batter

 

Thanks man

 

So

 

.364/.399/.545 vs LHP

 

.304/.350/.448 vs RHP

 

I'd say the potential is there for him to be an acceptable platoon partner. But those K/BB rates in the majors are discouraging.

[kgm1]

He has always been old for the leagues he played in so I'm wary of his MILB stats . That said we need one of Gose or Pillar to hit. He actually took a walk the other day, his first in the majors I believe and while it is a SSS it still glares out at me.

[Ehh]

we need some playas, not players, if you know what i mean. This team lacks the swag and confidence it takes to be a playoff team in the majors. Walks and defense dont win you games in October

 

stroman, lawrie and bautista are a good start, but we need more than that.

[bendera3]

I doubt it will ever happen but I'd like to see the Jays make a run at Victor Martinez. Man can hit.

[G-Snarls]

I doubt it will ever happen but I'd like to see the Jays make a run at Victor Martinez. Man can hit.

 

He sure can. But he's also almost guaranteed regression next year and he's no more positionally flexible than Lind. We really can't use him.

[SAAviour]

we need some playas, not players, if you know what i mean. This team lacks the swag and confidence it takes to be a playoff team in the majors. Walks and defense dont win you games in October

 

stroman, lawrie and bautista are a good start, but we need more than that.

 

I think I got to disagree with you on this one eh. This team acts like they're the best in the world and in my opinion could use a player who teaches them to shut their mouths and save the celebrations for when they actually accomplish something.

And as for defence and walks don't win you games...after reading that I realized you are likely trolling and I just got suckered.

[kgm1]

The whole off season is totally dependent on the budget and the ability to get a free agent to come here which is why exercising Lind,s option is the most logical thing to do. He is cheap and already under contract.

 

Won't matter who they have at DH if you have 3 outs at the bottom of the lineup in Pillar, Goins/Valencia, and Gose. Between those 3 outs and a bad bull pen I doubt that is a 500 team.

[G-Snarls]

The whole off season is totally dependent on the budget and the ability to get a free agent to come here which is why exercising Lind,s option is the most logical thing to do. He is cheap and already under contract.

 

Won't matter who they have at DH if you have 3 outs at the bottom of the lineup in Pillar, Goins/Valencia, and Gose. Between those 3 outs and a bad bull pen I doubt that is a 500 team.

 

Agreed

 

I was all for getting rid of Lind a couple years ago but I've changed my mind

 

You could do a lot worse for the money (7.5M with 1M buyout). I don't think you could replace his bat for that, especially when you essentially have to add 1M to the price you're paying the incoming free agent.

 

Spend any available $ on Melky, the middle infield and the bullpen - wherever you can get the best bang for the buck.

[glory]

The Jays should go after Jarrod Dyson from the Royals. He is nearly a 3 WAR player as a back-up. Good defense, good base running, and better offense than Gose. Maybe Happ for Dyson? Not sure how highly the Royals value him.

[G-Snarls]

Again, with Colby gone, we can EASILY afford to bump Melky up from 8M per season to 12-13M.

[SAAviour]

I'm hoping melky just takes the qualifying offer. A long term deal scares me. Let him play year to year.

[G-Snarls]

That said re Lind, he should really be almost exclusively DH and let Edwin play 1B. Neither is good at all, but I think Edwin is a little bit better

 

Edit: I checked defensive stats. At first glace they both look equally bad by dWAR but Edwin plays more games at 1B so cumulative stats aren't ideal.

 

UZR/150 is between -10 and -11 for Edwin each of the last two years, while Lind had one season better and one season worse, one at -7.4, one at -19.5 (yuck)

 

Bahhh. They both suck. Maybe it doesn't matter.

[BTS]

The Jays should go after Jarrod Dyson from the Royals. He is nearly a 3 WAR player as a back-up. Good defense, good base running, and better offense than Gose. Maybe Happ for Dyson? Not sure how highly the Royals value him.

 

The Royals have been acquiring a lot of flyball pitchers and great defensive outfielders, and it's worked pretty well in that spacious park. I imagine they value Dyson appropriately.

[G-Snarls]

I'm hoping melky just takes the qualifying offer. A long term deal scares me. Let him play year to year.

 

Not likely he accepts (though fine/great if he does). Even if he refuses, it still helps our ability to retrain him.

Edited September 15, 2014 by G-Snarls

[glory]

The Royals have been acquiring a lot of flyball pitchers and great defensive outfielders, and it's worked pretty well in that spacious park. I imagine they value Dyson appropriately.

 

True, the Royals put a high premium on defense. Happ seems like the type of starter they would value, but whether they'd move Dyson for him, I'm not sure.